100% Metal Forum (Death Metal and Black Metal)

Metal => Interzone => Topic started by: DrBob on June 08, 2008, 04:30:42 AM

Title: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: DrBob on June 08, 2008, 04:30:42 AM
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=879440&page=1&pp=20

Apparently ANUS is a group of "nerds" starting a "faggot emo movement."
I used to visit the above site.  Then I found ANUS.  I don't visit that other site much anymore (see if you can figure out why)
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: ASBO on June 08, 2008, 06:25:57 AM
I confirm that I am both emo, and a faggot. Some might call me an "emo faggot" and it would not be wrong.

I left them some messages describing what ANUS is actually about:

Quote
I am sure there's no enmity between ANUS.com and the users here, but ANUS's mission has been (since 1988) to celebrate the best in metal because it is a genre with artistic power and a valuable message for humankind.

Metal is life... so live good metal.

If you listen to shitty metal, people will think you're stupid, insincere, or a hipster... and would they really be wrong?

You're better than spending your time listening to shitty metal == this is the message of ANUS.com.

Most metalheads like low-intensity music like the crap you describe. They like it because they have low self-esteem. Therefore, they need a reason to be different and feel important.

While they praise crap music, they then wonder why metal is in general weaker than it has been in the past. "Why aren't there any GREAT bands?" -- because the fans are busy listening to crap.

They hate ANUS because it points out that they don't have to behave this way, and that they're in fact demeaning themselves and increasing the cycle of low self-confidence which will make them forever slaves to their damaged egos.

Metal is great music, and Hessianism is a great culture. It should put its best foot forward.


Now back to practicing riffs from "Rainbow in the Dark"...
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: DrBob on June 08, 2008, 07:57:47 AM
I find their reactions incredibly interesting/telling.

It was once explained to me by a Biologist that the natural reaction of people faced with a task they observe to be unachievable, is to laugh.  For example, if you were asked to make a 3-point shot while blindfolded, you would find that humorous.

Clearly these people find the rather simple task of processing anything said on this site as unachievable, so their natural reaction is to assume it is a joke or dismiss it some other way (you're crazy/intolerant/a loser).
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: Clef_Burton on June 08, 2008, 08:39:32 AM
"As a forum, we will reccomend [sic] what we like. There are some users in here who will yes, promote strange avant-garde music and there are also some who will promote nothing but old school death metal. Does that really differentiate us from, oh say... society in general?"

That last sentence tells you everything you need to know about them. What a depressive, degenerate little social clique they have.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: detrath on June 08, 2008, 09:51:13 AM
If your opinion disagrees with theirs, you're being too subjective. Everything they think becomes objective. Forget about competing interpretations and arguing for the best one. How can one so absolutely fail to be self aware? To be so absolutely ungracious to competing interpretations? They refuse to even attempt to engage the DLA interpretation. ANUS absolutely accepts the task of engaging their interpretation, but they can't see that there's a battle going on. No one is trying to claim the DLA is infallible; if they're going to bitch and moan, they should engage with it.

Shit, man... I needed to see this, I forgot how bad it gets out there.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: kontinual on June 08, 2008, 10:17:41 AM
Quote
Shit, man... I needed to see this, I forgot how bad it gets out there.


It's kind of like using public transportation.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: DionysianDeath on June 08, 2008, 11:58:21 AM
A note on intellectual dishonesty: those who don't wish to see, won't see, and no rational argument or earnest explanation will change that.

Don't waste your time, folks. People who come to this website have usually already gotten past the kind of moron-slobber bullshit floating around on that forum. Leave those who haven't to their fecal-orgies.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: The internet shelters weaklings. on June 08, 2008, 03:33:29 PM
Quote
I find their reactions incredibly interesting/telling.

It was once explained to me by a Biologist that the natural reaction of people faced with a task they observe to be unachievable, is to laugh.  For example, if you were asked to make a 3-point shot while blindfolded, you would find that humorous.

Clearly these people find the rather simple task of processing anything said on this site as unachievable, so their natural reaction is to assume it is a joke or dismiss it some other way (you're crazy/intolerant/a loser).


It's kind of like how most people end up having shitty posture because they don't train their bodies/minds. They end up as neurotic hunch-backs.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: ASBO on June 08, 2008, 03:48:19 PM
Do we really want to sit here and insult them? It may all be true, but it's kind of mean and pointless, and makes us look like asshole egotists.

I think my point was this:

If they knew that their low self-confidence made them behave as they did, and could see how destructive that behavior is to the metal genre, they might behave differently.

Especially if the music was better and, because they understood better music, they felt better about themselves.

Or was that faggot emo?
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: Thamuz on June 08, 2008, 03:52:30 PM
Quote
To be so absolutely ungracious to competing interpretations?

Honestly, this sort of goes both ways.

The ANUS views I generally agree with, but after say reading that excerpt about At The Gates it reeks of that college syndrome of "using words for the sake of words" instead of adding content. It's not particularly well written.

I think it's a shame that the ANUS Metal reviews weren't written in the same style as the middle period perspectives on the main site - they are both charismatic and clear, without sacrificing the information value of the piece.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: ASBO on June 08, 2008, 03:58:04 PM
Quote
The ANUS views I generally agree with, but after say reading that excerpt about At The Gates it reeks of that college syndrome of "using words for the sake of words" instead of adding content. It's not particularly well written.

I think it's a shame that the ANUS Metal reviews weren't written in the same style as the middle period perspectives on the main site - they are both charismatic and clear, without sacrificing the information value of the piece.


That wasn't from the ANUS metal review. I think it's from the wiki.

I don't agree about the use of language. The higher level vocabulary doesn't bother me; some of the phrasing does, but only a little bit.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: ASBO on June 08, 2008, 04:03:38 PM
Thread closed. Continued here:

Quote
Metal today is worse off than in the past.

While bands are technically more proficient, the music they're writing is closer to mainstream rock and hardcore; it has lost direction.

Even worse, it has lost content. There is nothing being said that isn't said in the tantrum of a spoiled teenager.

Is that what we want to represent of ourselves to others? Can't we do better? Of course, and we can, but only a few do, because they get drowned out by others, discouraging musicians with vitality from participating.


Fukk Jesus! (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=880121)
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: Thamuz on June 08, 2008, 04:41:03 PM
Quote

That wasn't from the ANUS metal review. I think it's from the wiki.

I don't agree about the use of language. The higher level vocabulary doesn't bother me; some of the phrasing does, but only a little bit.

No qualms with the vocabulary here either (although, sometimes you get the feeling that words were just thrown in rather than used to make the writing more efficient, descriptive or succinct), but the phrasing is very messy and painful to read!
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: Dedrater on June 08, 2008, 05:00:45 PM
Quote
but the phrasing is very messy and painful to read!


I always thought that was the point -- to mimic death metal phrasing. It's 'painful,' but informative as regards something experiential, whereas the music itself is 'painful' but more directly/abstractly informative. It's not so much laborious to put up with as it is chaotic.

I like them.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: ASBO on June 08, 2008, 06:06:17 PM
Quote
You all take it a lot more seriously than I do, obviously.

But do you take anything other than metal seriously?

Like sex and social interaction?


Sex alone I don't take seriously. It's like taking drugs or overeating seriously.

Social interaction: I take being a good friend to good people seriously, and being committed to those I love.

Learning, including guitar, and the organization of my thoughts and my abilities I also take seriously.

Drinking beer, getting laid, taking drugs, not taking life seriously = a cliche, that is actually taking avoiding real life seriously.

In other words, you may take life more seriously than I -- we have picked different lives based on different perceptions of reality.

And clearly you take coming here to talk to us seriously, which is kind of refreshing, actually. But hopefully you didn't think the old "do you nerds take not being nerds seriously" was new, or insightful.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: ASBO on June 08, 2008, 06:06:39 PM
Quote
I don't think there's any way of validating my personal life over the internet, so it'd be foolish to try wouldn't it? More so, why bother if you could?


On the internet, everyone has a nine inch penis.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: MorbidInvasion on June 08, 2008, 06:10:49 PM
Sex is an aspect of life that demands to be taken seriously. Surely you can differentiate between 'sex' and 'promiscuity'?

And I like to drink beer, get laid, all that. I don't take it seriously, like I don't set up an online cult about drinking beer. I just enjoy it.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: ASBO on June 08, 2008, 06:22:04 PM
Quote
I just enjoy it.


Do some things require taking seriously to enjoy?

Like, if I enjoy playing guitar, and want to get good at it, I might need to take it seriously, don't you agree?

But if I enjoy guitar, and part of my enjoyment is wanting to get good, then, wouldn't I need to take it seriously?

(Of course I take the sexual act seriously, but I do not separate the sexual act from love and family, because I take life -- and eugenics -- seriously.)
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: MorbidInvasion on June 08, 2008, 06:29:19 PM
I agree with your most recent post. But to me, Hessianism seems like a near-complete retreat from society. Which is sad, and defying your own human nature.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: ASBO on June 08, 2008, 06:46:29 PM
Quote
But to me, Hessianism seems like a near-complete retreat from society. Which is sad, and defying your own human nature.


I think it's a view desiring a society within a society (subculture versus counter-culture, or opposing society) that upholds better values, AND takes the view that our current society is unstable and will eventually phase itself out with a whimper and not a bang.

It's meant to embrace the values of a great musical genre, and to live by those, instead of some of the plastic values that are popular now. It's not any different than finding a philosophy, religion, martial art or breakaway community.

But we do have to avoid falling into certain traps, like false elitism or withdrawing from reality and hanging out on the sofa, watching TV and posting LOLCATS to the interwebs. Then again, so do most others.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: MorbidInvasion on June 08, 2008, 06:50:23 PM
I wouldn't say you come anywhere close to upholding the values of metal. Nobody can, because they are so diverse. Do you uphold every value from the Nazi ramblings of bands like Der Sturmer to the Christian ramblings of bands like Horde to the homo-erotic ramblings of bands like Apator to the simple 'we're thrash and we drink beer' ramblings of bands like the new thrash movement?

You can't possibly.

What about Chris Reifert, of Autopsy, who you guys seem to like. I'm sure he wouldn't like ANUS
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: JJ on June 08, 2008, 06:51:40 PM
Modern society is a retreat from reality.

Nothing in life is taken seriously when you dedicate your time to cheap gratification and popular opinion.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: Raise_the_Dead on June 08, 2008, 08:21:24 PM
Quote
I wouldn't say you come anywhere close to upholding the values of metal. Nobody can, because they are so diverse. Do you uphold every value from the Nazi ramblings of bands like Der Sturmer to the Christian ramblings of bands like Horde to the homo-erotic ramblings of bands like Apator to the simple 'we're thrash and we drink beer' ramblings of bands like the new thrash movement?

You can't possibly.

What about Chris Reifert, of Autopsy, who you guys seem to like. I'm sure he wouldn't like ANUS


http://www.hessian.org/metal/culture/values/

Outlines our values quite well (whether you think they are "metal" enough or not is irrelevant); you can stop the name-dropping now ::)
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: Prospero on June 08, 2008, 08:26:35 PM
Looks like a bunch of bad dudes talking like they were straight out of Pulp Fiction. I'm glad they noticed that the quality of english used on ANUS is good. It makes ANUS stand apart from the rest of the metal communities (which might be a bad thing, but that's what happens when you get to go to university - or read too much Nietzsche, I guess). The False Profit has impressive skills when it comes to arguing.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: Dylar on June 08, 2008, 09:07:30 PM
Quote
I wouldn't say you come anywhere close to upholding the values of metal. Nobody can, because they are so diverse. Do you uphold every value from the Nazi ramblings of bands like Der Sturmer to the Christian ramblings of bands like Horde to the homo-erotic ramblings of bands like Apator to the simple 'we're thrash and we drink beer' ramblings of bands like the new thrash movement?

You can't possibly.

What about Chris Reifert, of Autopsy, who you guys seem to like. I'm sure he wouldn't like ANUS


Outliers are outliers: they're not representative, so why even bother taking them to account.  The values of metal (as a collective subculture) have been pretty consistent, whatever the values of individual bands might be.


Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: MorbidInvasion on June 08, 2008, 09:12:13 PM
Quote

Outliers are outliers: they're not representative, so why even bother taking them to account.  The values of metal (as a collective subculture) have been pretty consistent, whatever the values of individual bands might be.




Outliers? Those were examples not outliers. Have you heard the term 'N S B M'? 'White Metal'/'Unblack Metal'? And a great number of thrash bands sing about exactly what I said above. If you think that there IS just one single collective metal subculture, you're wrong.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: Dylar on June 08, 2008, 09:46:45 PM
Quote

Outliers? Those were examples not outliers. Have you heard the term 'N S B M'? 'White Metal'/'Unblack Metal'? And a great number of thrash bands sing about exactly what I said above. If you think that there IS just one single collective metal subculture, you're wrong.


A data point ('example') that sits well outside the curve is an outlier, period.  There's a perfectly fitting old saw to plug in here: are you familiar with 'the exception that proves the rule'?

And really, it's fundamentally ludicrous to even discuss Christian 'metal' in this context.  It's a marketing tool dressed up in music, and, as a cultural group, it has virtually no congress with the world of non-Christian metal.  Very few of its followers are involved with any non-Christian music at all, which makes it radically different from even something like National Socialist Black Metal, which shares a similar basic outlook with the rest of metal,  and lacks the self-contained fanbase of Christian 'metal.'
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: detrath on June 08, 2008, 10:16:34 PM
If all that holds all of metal together as a genre is the agreement on using guitar, bass, and drums, then what makes it metal and not just jazz or rock or any other genre that likes to depend on those instruments?

To me, the most important, basic thing going on with Hessian.org and the DLA and the kind of metal analysis that goes on around here is the attempt to look for that something else that is often very difficult to articulate that is behind why these bands seem to us to hang together so well in this broad category "metal". The more you start to try to differentiate the genre and decide what makes metal metal, the more you find yourself building into it and before long you're talking about alot of things you might not have thought would go into it at first glance like attitude and values.

The more features that are drawn out in this manner, the more discerning the eye for genre distinction and genre quality. Is this worth doing or is it just a bunch of wasted breath and overanalysis? Undoubtedly it can be taken too far, but at the same time, I think issues of genre quality are important. For example, we want to be able to say more about why 1,385,238 bedroom black metal bands are so awful than merely that we dislike them or think they suck. It would be nice to be able to articulate some reasons that are justified by some more in-depth standardized categories.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: chrstphrbnntt on June 08, 2008, 10:25:57 PM
Quote
If all that holds all of metal together as a genre is the agreement on [size=13]using guitar, bass, and drums,[/size] then what makes it metal and not just [size=13]jazz[/size] or rock or any other genre that likes to depend on those instruments?


Have you ever heard a jazz album?
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: detrath on June 08, 2008, 10:42:08 PM
Probably a shitty choice, pick some niche of jazz that really does like to rely on those, or whatever other genre, it really doesn't fuckin matter for the argument. I was imagining a band with jazz guitar, drums, etc at the time, it wasn't a careful decision on my part with respect to possibilities of instrumentation.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: death metal black metal on June 09, 2008, 07:40:44 AM
Quote
I wouldn't say you come anywhere close to upholding the values of metal. Nobody can, because they are so diverse.


Actually, they're not at all, if you pay attention to the best metal bands.

They aren't identical, but even what Der Sturmer wants and what Gorguts wants are more similar than different.
Title: Re: ANUS = faggot emo movement?
Post by: ASBO on June 09, 2008, 03:48:10 PM
Quote
what Der Sturmer wants and what Gorguts wants are more similar than different.


Hippie emo faggot ;)