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Title: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on October 24, 2004, 04:56:13 PM
These threads seem to pop up all the time on the other forums, and it's a good idea.

Name bands you're seeking opinions on.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: deadweight on October 24, 2004, 07:15:41 PM
Bohren und der Club of Gore.

I read a description of thier music in a street magazine, and got one of their albums, "Gore Motel".
I think they're pretty amazing, but I've never heard anyone else's opinion.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on October 25, 2004, 01:27:44 PM
I'd like to hear something on Nocturnity, I heard one song that sounded not so bad.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on October 25, 2004, 01:32:56 PM
Nocternity***
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on October 25, 2004, 04:30:32 PM
Vinterriket too.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: phantasm on October 25, 2004, 04:38:15 PM
Godd'amnElf:  I put some stuff up on Nocternity in the news section if you want to check that out.  All I've managed to hear was a small clip I attached.  Some other people posted opinions on that thread as well and none of them were positive, but you can read them yourself to see.

Oh and you can edit your posts, so your mispealing of Nocternity can be fixed directly, you don't have to repost (just to let you know)
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Flight_of_Zapan on October 26, 2004, 12:06:18 PM
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Vinterriket too.


Dullsville Burzumesque melancholic tedium. Overly digitised sounding synths at work in the ambient pieces.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Pollen on October 27, 2004, 10:53:10 AM
I have Vinterrikets ...und die nacht kam shweren schrittes tape. No black metal at all, purely in the synth/dark ambient style of music.

IMO it is a highly effective ambient album, if you are in the right frame of mind the melodys on this tape can really take you away. Does anybody know any other works by Vinterriket to recommend? It seems impossible to keep up with all their releases (which are usually sold out in about 5 minutes..)
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: TZ on October 29, 2004, 02:14:35 AM
What is everyone's take on 'Absu'?
I quite like them, especially their imagery and mythology, from the Barathrum VITRIOL era.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: phantasm on October 29, 2004, 04:55:19 PM
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What is everyone's take on 'Absu'?
I quite like them, especially their imagery and mythology, from the Barathrum VITRIOL era.


Absu is fantastic.  VITRIOL era is great and so is the new stuff like Tara.  Absu just kept getting faster and faster for better and worse (it really evens out).  I really like Tara a lot and the drumming is phenominal, these guys have one of the best grips on the metal style.  The spicing of Celtic mythology is wonderful and Proscripter really knows what he is talking about, he has a good grasp of Celtic history and mythology and his lyrics on the subject are top notch.  Absu is an extremely solid band that is in my top 25 (probably not my top 10 though).
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: phantasm on October 29, 2004, 05:01:42 PM
Does anyone have any knowledge on the following bands:


I do know of Necromentia fairly well but I was wondering what would be some recommended albums to start out with as I don't have anything by them.  The other bands I have read about in the anus reviews and I have heard some clips but I was looking for more information on them to see if anybody had thoughts and recommendations about those ones.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Weltmacht on October 29, 2004, 05:49:23 PM
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  • Soercier Des Glaces


A relatively good band, but to my knowledge, "Snowland" is their sole release. The Swiss band Paysage d'Hiver treads some of the same ground as Sorcier des Glaces, but in a more complex and well-structured manner.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: TZ on October 29, 2004, 06:25:34 PM
Sorcier des Glaces is great.
Snowland is a solid release, not the best ever but a good release nonetheless. I really like his sound. It is very hard edged in parts adding extreme tension then juxtaposing it with soaring melodic lines to create a brilliant soundscape.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Imperial_Doom on November 02, 2004, 08:58:12 AM
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What is everyone's take on 'Absu'?
I quite like them, especially their imagery and mythology, from the Barathrum VITRIOL era.

Good solid black/thrash
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Imperial_Doom on November 02, 2004, 09:00:00 AM
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  • Necromentia

I'm assuming you mean NecromAntia from Greece. If that's the band you're referring to they are unique and excellent black metal. They only use electric guitars for solos and the bass guitars(one 4-string and one 8-string) are the dominant instruments. I'd recommend all their material but Scarlet Evil Witching Black is my favorite.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 02, 2004, 10:44:36 AM
"Snowland" is great.

"Scarlet Evil Witching Black" and "Black Arts Lead To Everlasting Sins" are the best Necromantia recordings.

"Dans Les Bras Des Immortels" by Frozen Shadows is worth picking up.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: FIAT on November 02, 2004, 02:46:46 PM
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Does anyone have any knowledge on the following bands:
  • Frozen Shadows
  • Soercier Des Glaces
  • Sammath
  • Necromentia
I do know of Necromentia fairly well but I was wondering what would be some recommended albums to start out with as I don't have anything by them.  The other bands I have read about in the anus reviews and I have heard some clips but I was looking for more information on them to see if anybody had thoughts and recommendations about those ones.  Thanks.


You can now get Necromantia's first two full length albums "Crossing the Fiery Path" and "Scarlet Evil, Witching Black" on a digipak double cd. It comes with new artwork that is a bit pointless but the lyrics for both albums are included. It is widely available online for 12-13 dollars.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Blaphbee on November 02, 2004, 04:17:16 PM
I will fourth the praise for Sorcier des Glaces.

(where are they from, by the way?)

Snowland has a great reliance on melodic structure to carry it, as opposed to brainless bashing and non-stop speed; I find some of the melodies to absolutely soar.

However, when in the mood for melodic black, Sacramentum's Far Away From the Sun gets my vote every time. That album is ethereal to me.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 02, 2004, 06:46:58 PM
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I will fourth the praise for Sorcier des Glaces.

(where are they from, by the way?)

Snowland has a great reliance on melodic structure to carry it, as opposed to brainless bashing and non-stop speed; I find some of the melodies to absolutely soar.

However, when in the mood for melodic black, Sacramentum's Far Away From the Sun gets my vote every time. That album is ethereal to me.


SdG are from Canada I believe.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: phantasm on November 02, 2004, 07:01:16 PM
Thanks for all the help and suggestions guys.  I can find Necromantia easily at the record store I go to but I know I'm going to run into trouble finding Soercier Des Glaces.  Anybody know where it's being sold on the internet?  I still have to poke around a bit but if someone can point me to a reputable site that might have it for sale it would be much appretiated.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 02, 2004, 07:01:42 PM
- Hades Almighty
- Mysticum
- Arckanum
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: phantasm on November 02, 2004, 07:09:41 PM
I'm only familar of Mysticum through this SRP review and some clips I've heard on evilmusic:

Mysticum - Kingdom Comes. Flowing streams of chords doled out in the cutting speed strum of a black metal band with a kickhappy rock beat moving behind screeching vocals that hang rhythms behind riffs and precurse rapid change with violent exclamation. Mostly composed the same way boring death metal is composed, it achieves an interesting atmosphere but lacks the power of individuality to give it the voice it needs for its communicative efforts.

Don't know if that helps or not, perhaps you've already read it.  I only know of their Nordic Metal release and an album titled "In the Streams of Inferno."  What little I've heard sounds pretty good and worthwhile, some of the riffing in the clips I've got reminds me a bit of the Emperor EP.  But I don't know if they always sound like that, it's just a clip.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: phantasm on November 02, 2004, 07:13:41 PM
Mysticum actually did a split with Ulver and Manes some time back as well and actually that's how I first heard of them, I just remembered (just wanted to note that)
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 03, 2004, 11:39:47 AM
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- Hades Almighty
- Mysticum
- Arckanum


Dawn of the Dying Sun is superb by Hades Almighty; one of the greatest triumphs of black metal, and possibly the greatest viking-themed album.

Arckanum are ok, I only have "Kampen" and it's nothing special but not horrible by any means. I hear them get quite a bit of praise, so don't dismiss them based on what I'm saying.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: baxter on November 03, 2004, 01:39:11 PM
both of Frozen shadows's releases are highly recommended.

Has anbody heard Nox intempesta and knows where to get mp3s?
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 04, 2004, 06:37:17 PM
How about Wyrd?

I thought their demos were more or less, Burzum worship. Huldrafolk was amazing though. I haven't really given any other albums enough attention to make any kind of comment on them.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: phantasm on November 04, 2004, 07:02:08 PM
Wyrd is good.  Their early stuff was really Burzum worship (not that that's really all that bad) but their later stuff went away from the Burzum worship but kept the core sound and expanded it.  Someone else on this forum put it well, "it's good background music."  I recommend it.  Heathen is their first I believe and the fist I recommend.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on November 04, 2004, 08:14:39 PM
Helheim(Bergen)
Satyricon
Zyklon
Anaal Nathrakh
Hate Forest

These were listed on the thread on the main anus forum but were not explored fully.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 06, 2004, 05:48:28 AM
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Helheim(Bergen)
Satyricon
Zyklon
Anaal Nathrakh
Hate Forest

These were listed on the thread on the main anus forum but were not explored fully.


Helheim - don't know
Satyricon - Go for the first two only. They're nothing special but it's their only worthwhile works.
Zyklon - don't know
Anaal Nathrakh - I haven't heard them, but they look pretty worthless.
Hate Forest - I always thought it was pretty boring stuff but I also haven't listened to them very much, so I guess this goes under 'don't know'.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 07, 2004, 03:36:09 AM
Satyricon - Never brought anything new to black metal
Zyklon - Mediocre death metal at best, dire at worst. Drumming pisses off a lot of people.
Anaal Nathrakh - They're the br00thurl band of black metal - brutality for brutality's sake.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Lord_Cheeses on November 07, 2004, 07:39:31 AM
Anaal Nathrakh - I've tried listening to Codex Necro a couple times, it sounds good for about a track-and-a-half then I stop caring.  Br00tal, anyway.

Arckanum - Kampen can cure insomnia

Mysticum - the overdriven industrial drumming is a neat idea but I thought the music as a whole was sort of plain.  Given the fact that the band has made their album available for free, you might as well see for yourself.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 08, 2004, 08:53:11 AM
Some new ones:
Celtic Dance
Spear Of Longinus
Capricornus  
Helheim
Veles


Also, just curious (I already own it), what did y'all think of Krieg - Patrick Bateman?
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 08, 2004, 12:59:46 PM
"Black Hateful Metal" is an essential and quite unique recording by Veles, though some would argue otherwise.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 08, 2004, 03:40:24 PM
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"Black Hateful Metal" is an essential and quite unique recording by Veles, though some would argue otherwise.


Not essential, but it has it's (very) good moments.

I should add that I've heard most of those bands, but I was just interested in what other's had to say.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on November 09, 2004, 10:59:14 AM
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Satyricon - Never brought anything new to black metal
Zyklon - Mediocre death metal at best, dire at worst. Drumming pisses off a lot of people.
Anaal Nathrakh - They're the br00thurl band of black metal - brutality for brutality's sake.


I'll offer some differing takes on these bands.

Satyricon were bringing Neo-classical folk into Black Metal very early on, and understood Blackmetal's true spirit then.



I'll use my review on Zyklon's first album, which is their only innovative and truely worthwhile one.  -

Zyklon arose from the ashes of Emperor as an outlet for an evolving philosophy that could not be properly expressed in Emperors decaying form of Black Metal. They take what they have learned through their experience in Blackmetal and apply it to core elements of Deathmetal. This is apparent ideologically and musically. Similar to the blasting aesthetic of Anaal Nathrakh, Zyklon create a vision of decay thanks to the chains of technological/sociopolitical "advancement". Their lyrics and music together provide a telling warning of what will happen should the current course of "development" continue.

"The Hammer is mine, The Revelation is yours!
Am I God, or am I the Devil?
Its a comperhensable, yet complex reality,
because it means that when the past catches up to the present,
We have no future!"

The lyrics were all written entirely by Bard Faust, during his stay in prison. These are not your typical blood and guts lyrics expressing mindless nihilism that are common in the Deathmetal Genre. They express the nihilism found within a post blackmetal world where the Neo-classical romanticism inherent in Second wave Norwegian bands is disappearing, yet western culture continues to destroy itself. Instead of looking backward, Zyklon look forward and paint a vision of decadence and enslavement true to the foundation of Deathmetal ideology. The Black Metal revolution failed - dispite their best efforts it betrayed itself, and one thing still remains apparent as ever - only death is real.

The production is just what I would look for from a band of this nature. The density of Death Metal, with the harshness of Black Metal. This is alot harsher and more violent then the stuff Emperor was doing most recently. The chaotic blasting may hinder some of the atmosphere but helps fuel the nihilistic concept.
The vocals of Daemon(of Limbonic Art) summon an ancient fury within one disenchanted with the vicious cycle of destruction that has been dubbed modernism.

Relying on the foundations of the previous generation of Deathmetal, the re-energized warriors of Zyklon create the perfect soundtrack to where we are and where we are heading in a post Cold War neo-conservative dominated world.

"Time is not returning, a new world will rise, once and for all."



While philosophically speaking Anaal Nathrakh is some what lacking as compared to their influences, especially on their new material, they do push the extremity of BM to new and frightening heights on The Codex Necro. Their new album suffers from the lack of a unified concept like the one that made The Codex Necro the succuss it was, and instead simply tries to be the most "extreme" it can be. They have embraced Brutal Death, a genre that is generally twice as braindead as modern Black metal. While their new record is a relatively satisfying METAL record, it fails to deliver on any deeper level and thus fails as a BLACK METAL record fully. Musically speaking they have definately moved into the realm of Blackened Death anyway.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on November 09, 2004, 11:07:32 AM
I would be interested in hearing who Hate Forest copied, if they did indeed spring from someone elses vision.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: phantasm on November 09, 2004, 02:15:08 PM
GoddamnElf:

I recently picked up the Mysticum album "Into the Streams of Inferno" and I was a bit disappointed with it, not that it was a bad work, it just didn't reach my expectations after hearing some samples.  It's better than all the drivel coming out today and it's still a pretty good album worth looking into.  They use a lot of Industrial driven beats in their drum programing.  I was disapointed that they did not put on the song I heard a sample of that had riffs that reminded me of old Emperor.  Most of the riffs drone in the background and complement the music as a whole, also there are subtle tempo variations and some good programmed inserts in a couple of songs.  I give it a thumbs up but it's not the best, that's my conclusions after three listens or so.


Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on November 10, 2004, 02:09:22 PM
Moonblood
Deathspell Omega
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 10, 2004, 11:30:51 PM
Moonblood are consistantly good, and at times excellent. "Blut und Krieg" is a classic full-length, which I reviewed here:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=3264

Mine being by "Sacraphobic".

Deathspell Omega were a bit generic at first but their new one is quite interesting, if a little overrated. A couple of these reviews describe it quite accurately:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=39107

You'll note that the Deathspell Omega/Moonblood split is worth getting, especially for the Moonblood tracks.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Cynical on November 11, 2004, 06:23:59 AM
Moonblood is laughably overrated; that said, the song "I Am All" is pretty good.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Lord_Cheeses on November 11, 2004, 10:15:19 AM
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Moonblood
Deathspell Omega


They fall into that large class of modern black metal bands that I can't seriously fault people for listening to yet am not really fascinated with myself.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 11, 2004, 11:05:27 AM
Moonblood aren't really that modern, they've been writing music since '94. Honestly, they do create some worthy music despite the irritating uber-kvlt status and fanboyism. I can understand why some wouldn't like Deathspell Omega, though I suggest giving their new one a listen if you haven't already, it's quite different and superior to anything else they've done.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 11, 2004, 01:28:23 PM
I thought Moonblood's Taste Our German Steel was cool.

Interesting thing about Moonblood, they have no CD releases, only vinyl and cassettes, however there are many bootlegs. Supreme Black Force Of German Steel is a bootleg of Taste Our German Steel, a good one, I believe, too.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 11, 2004, 01:33:44 PM
Someone say something about Capricornus.

I liked his two eps, Brennendes Jerusalem and the one that came before that even though they're both awful. Also, his half of the DS split was good. I thought the full length was boring though.

Other bands:
1349
Thorns
Helheim
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Cynical on November 11, 2004, 01:48:43 PM
Thorns- The demos are classic, the full length has one song that I really like, "World Playground Deciet", but as a whole the full length is pretty worthless.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Cephirum on November 12, 2004, 04:17:13 AM
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both of Frozen shadows's releases are highly recommended.
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I can't agree there. I had great expectations when « Hantises » came out but it wasn't as good as the demo (who came in a special 2CD with the « Hantises » album, good thing for those who don't have it...).

The guitar sound is not the same. I tought it was extraordinary on « Dans les bras des immortels » but now it's cleaner and boring. The vocals are sung with less intensity. The drum is still intense but, the effect it made previously as an ambient element of the music is gone. Also, there's less dynamics in the music. Of course there's some great moments but I don't recommend it as much as « Dans les bras des immortels ».

This makes « Hantises » closer to a regular metal release than some great black metal.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on November 13, 2004, 01:44:31 PM
In Battle

Abigor

Limbonic Art
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 13, 2004, 04:04:58 PM
Abigor have yet to make a truly shitty album. However, their best work lies within Verwustung, Orkblut, Nachthymmn, and Opus IV.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on November 14, 2004, 09:08:55 AM
Somethings u pplz mentioned:

Frozen Shadows - Dans Les Bras Des Immortels is great, will not leave you dissapointed. Released new album, Hantises. Total crap.

Sammath - Strijd is funtastic. Catchy synth lines over high speed drum machine (more like funmachine!). Later stuff is boring.

Wyrd - Excellent. Huldrafolk and Vargtimmen 1 are great. Looking forward to hearing first album, Heathen. Vargtimmen 2 is different, but still good.

Abigor - Gay. Have yet to make anything but shitty albums. Boring, uneventful, uncreative, uninspired.

Hate Forest - Poser metal, like Drudkh. Get ready for intense boredom when you spin these posers.

Moonblood - Must listen more. Always found to be caling me back for more. However they are laughable for a variety of reasons. Maybe that's why I never really listened much.

Now, here's what I want to hear about:

Seance - Saltrubbed Eyes
Lunar Aurora

Opinions?
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 14, 2004, 10:04:29 AM
Abigor are good, I have three of their albums but I've only properly got into Nachthymnen thusfar, which is really good and builds upon early Immortal, progressing it rather than being derivative of it, athough some might be put off by the female-vocals. If you like Summoning's "Lugburz" you should like it.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: worldsshell on November 15, 2004, 01:04:59 PM
Abigor is genius, definately not for everyone though. 'Satanized' is the only album that has let me down to a certain extent and seems sub-par when compared to their other outputs. Supreme Immortal Art is criminally underrated; one of their best but rather more complex works.

I would suggest starting at their earliest releases, and working your way to their more recent. If anywhere in the process you do not like one of their albums, I would also suggest giving up and not wasting any more time on them.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 15, 2004, 05:44:09 PM
Vlad Tepes, Belketre..

Actually, recommend and/or post thoughts on any Black Legions bands that are worthy.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: baxter on November 15, 2004, 06:10:57 PM
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Vlad Tepes, Belketre..

Actually, recommend and/or post thoughts on any Black Legions bands that are worthy.


Mütiilation is the only black legions band worth your time.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 16, 2004, 12:45:02 AM
Mutiilation's "Vampires of Black Imperial Blood" is excellent, and "Remains..." is also worth getting. Belketre are the second best FBL band, very dark and violent stuff. Vlad Tepes....meh, don't bother with them, except their split with Belketre (for the Belketre). You may also like "Feasts" by Black Murder, and some of the ambient work from other FBL bands which I'm not so familiar with is supposed to rule.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 16, 2004, 10:09:29 AM
Well, I know about Mutiilation.

I'd say Vlad Tepe's best work lies within the split with Belketre.  And not just because Belketre is on the cd as well, but Vlad Tepes did a nice job on this one.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 16, 2004, 11:21:05 AM
Yeah, I should've put "mainly for the Belketre", Vlad Tepes aren't bad on that split.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Death on November 16, 2004, 07:42:47 PM
A few I was recommended a while ago, but haven't checked out yet:

Kataklysm - Sorcery
Quo Vadis - Forever
Edge of Sanity - Unorthodox
Magus - Ruminations of Debauchery
Deeds of Flesh - Reduced To Ashes
Pyrexia (I heard this band is essentially very similar to Suffocation, are they worth bothering with?)
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 16, 2004, 10:06:40 PM
I recommend "The Mystical Gate of Reincarnation" by Kataklysm. They got more and more boring as they went on after that release, though Sorcery is decent from what I've heard.

"Unorthodox" is Edge of Sanity's best work, it's interesting scan-death.

Falconsbane's review of the Kataklysm on M-A, which is accurate:
"Brutal death metal has never been a creatively fertile field. For the most part, it has been an artistic charnel house of bad ideas, bad cover art and awful jock rock. Kataklysm's debut mcd is an exception.

"The Mystical Gate of Reincarnation" significantly both from its brevity (21 minutes) and a wonderfully organic, bass soaked mix. The core of this work (like so much of the best death metal) is the struggle between alienation from a meaningless universe and the endless possibilities open to those with the courage to impose a new order in the midst of Chaos. Kataklysm display an easy fluency both in the language of violence and the symbolic world of the Will, embracing the paradox inherent in their struggle through the juxtaposition of relentlessly punishing rhythms and calculatedly articulate structures, pulverizing, scraping riffs and the roaring silence of atmospheric melodies. The result is an album seething with passion and rage, yet intelligently reflective. Highly recommended."
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: worldsshell on November 17, 2004, 12:26:21 AM
I agree 100% with the comment on Kataklysm. TMGR is their best output, although everything with Houde is worth getting. Also be sure to read the lyrics. Very powerful.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on November 17, 2004, 11:04:45 PM
Necrovore
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Flight_of_Zapan on November 18, 2004, 12:33:45 AM
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Hate Forest - Poser metal, like Drudkh. Get ready for intense boredom when you spin these posers.


I think you mean "poseur". Exactly how are Drudkh a "poseur metal" band? Is it yr limited intellectual capacity that renders them as such?
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Flight_of_Zapan on November 18, 2004, 12:40:15 AM
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Someone say something about Capricornus.

I liked his two eps, Brennendes Jerusalem and the one that came before that even though they're both awful. Also, his half of the DS split was good. I thought the full length was boring though.

Other bands:
1349
Thorns
Helheim



Fuck knows about Helheim.

1349 are great if yr going through puberty, otherwise you'll recognise them for the lacklusture tedium they so obviously are.

Thorns is a brave attempt at pushing the boundaries of BM, that you'll either love or hate. To my ears it's the only example of postmodern BM that actually works.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Pollen on November 18, 2004, 08:26:25 AM
I really enjoyed the Capricornus side of the Der Sturmer split far far far more than DS, maybe i should check out some of his other material.

Anyway, has anyone heard  Sortsind - Sår? I would be interested to hear somebody elses opinion on this record as i think it's one of the very few interesting pieces of black metal that has been released in the past 2 years (2003).
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on November 18, 2004, 09:09:11 AM
actually, i mean poser. K THX!?!?!

here's my impression of drudkh:

"hey look at me i have a guitar and repetative minimalistic nature-esque themes with dashes of synth are the bomb! even though there isn't any real substance to our music we can still sell black metal albums because we're undargruond lol. word up!"

it's actually my limited listening capacity. one can only listen to so many neo-black metal bands that don't suck as much as drudkh in such a small amount of time.

face it, 90% of "new black metal" is just a bunch of idiots coining sounds real black metal artists originally made years ago. there are some who do it well (bilskirnir, wyrd, craft, satanic warmaster), and some who don't (drudkh, hate forest, everyone).

anyway, i'm still waiting on opinions on lunar aurora and seance.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on November 18, 2004, 09:09:56 AM
....fucking smiley. damn you.  >:(
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 18, 2004, 09:31:15 AM
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actually, i mean poser. K THX!?!?!
there are some who do it well (bilskirnir, wyrd, craft, satanic warmaster), and some who don't (drudkh, hate forest, everyone).


Seance rule, though your taste doesn't. Praising boring bands like Bilskirnir and Craft while insulting Drudkh whose Forgotten Legends album is rather impressive... :-/
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on November 18, 2004, 09:36:18 AM
it's kind of a boring point. most of us probably feel the same about the opposite bands...
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on November 18, 2004, 09:32:19 PM
Who exactlty was Hate Forest cloning?
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 19, 2004, 12:09:04 PM
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Who exactlty was Hate Forest cloning?


Clone or not, they're pretty boring I think.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on November 19, 2004, 09:33:22 PM
They create a very dark, brooding sense of doom. Similar in some ways to the feeling Von gives. One of the few slow repetitive bands that can do that for me.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Viriatus on November 20, 2004, 02:18:55 AM
I would like to hear your opinion on the new Enslaved, Isa. I am a big fan of them. I liked Below The Lights very much although they adandoned their black metal sound. Is Isa better then BTL ??
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: FIAT on November 20, 2004, 08:31:19 AM
Deceased - The Blueprints For Madness
Cenotaph - Riding Our Black Oceans
Judas Iscariot - Of Great Eternity

In general - Astrofaes, Azrael, Carpathian Forest, Setherial
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Post by: GoddamnElf on November 20, 2004, 11:40:53 AM
Carpathian Forest - I would avoid all except for their demo, Journey Through The Cold Moors Of Svarttjern. The demo lacks the silly nature of their other releases.
Setherial - boring Emperor-like BM. Their first EP, For Dem Mitt Blod and Nord... are ok.
Judas Iscariot - shitty copy-cat BM, like Nargaroth or Abyssic Hate
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on November 20, 2004, 12:04:52 PM
Even though Judas Iscariot is a clone band, I will always have a soft spot for them because he comes from the same area I do. Central Illinois is generally not known for its Black Metal.
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Post by: Pollen on November 21, 2004, 04:10:57 AM
Judas Iscariot's Moonlight Butchery is one album i find myself listening to a lot recently fair enough he isn't doing anything really new or  ground breaking but i find him to be light years ahead of the average "clone" band. Akenhaten is at least propably sincere about what he does.
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Post by: GoddamnElf on November 21, 2004, 07:11:04 AM
Fuck Akenhaten. Like it or not, Judas Iscariot are shitty.
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Post by: Cynical on November 21, 2004, 09:03:17 AM
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Fuck Akenhaten.

I'd rather not.  I don't want AIDS.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 21, 2004, 09:44:05 AM
Cenotaph's "Riding Our Black Oceans" is very much in the vein of "The Red in the Sky is Ours", and is recommended as their best work, though doesn't quite match that masterpiece.
"Ancestor's Shadows" is the best album by Astrofaes, it's epic eastern-european sounding stuff that's good and worth at least downloading - it sounds nationalist and naturalist in equal parts.
Title: slayer
Post by: uzziman666 on November 21, 2004, 07:07:14 PM
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These threads seem to pop up all the time on the other forums, and it's a good idea.

Name bands you're seeking opinions on.

sodom, deicide, slayer
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Anamelech on November 21, 2004, 07:20:22 PM
I agree with your support of Drudkh, FoZ.  Their music conveys an ancient spirit that most new bands cannot.

Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 22, 2004, 10:01:57 AM
Lykathea Aflame
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Post by: Annihilaytorr on November 22, 2004, 11:36:00 AM
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sodom, deicide, slayer



Haha.

To encourage him...

Sodom were an important proto BM band that went thrash later, became leftest sissies, and became hugely over-rated by legions of fans who idolize German thrash above many better contemporaries scattered across the globe.

Deicide were an important Satanic DM that could only keep focus for a few albums. Some of their later work is alright, but nothing special. A good starter band for a n00b.  Legion is a top DM album though.

Slayer were one of the most important bands of the 80s, highly influencial, even to the above mentioned bands. They set the proto-type for Satanic Death Metal. Their first five albums are all good. It is rare within metal to find a band as productive as that.  They, like the other two, are now middle aged men completely out of their element and are producing junk these days.

Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on November 24, 2004, 03:16:58 PM
Limbonic Art
Nifelhelm
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 25, 2004, 05:17:15 AM
Kataxu
North
Perunwit
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Flight_of_Zapan on November 26, 2004, 07:50:34 PM
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I agree with your support of Drudkh, FoZ.  Their music conveys an ancient spirit that most new bands cannot.



They convey to me a sense of quality and progression that most new bands do not!
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Death on November 26, 2004, 09:31:31 PM
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Lykathea Aflame


In short, I'd skip them.

I find them overblown, although they are unique, which, I suppose, is their appeal to many. I've only listened to Elvenefris about twice through, and wasn't very impressed. The album isn't exactly "Death Metal" in the strictest sense (I guess some might call it "transcendental of the genre"), and difficult to describe. To me it sounded like Enya trying to write Death Metal, and simply awkward. It's an eclectic mix of musical elements, which at some times sound disjointed, and the riffs have a similar tone to those on Kronos' "Colossal Titan Strife".

To give you a better understanding of the band's conceptual focus, read this interview:

http://www.maelstrom.nu/ezine/complete_iss13.htm

Excerpt:

"Maelstrom: The last track is a 12-minute keyboard piece with a jungle full of trilling birds. It's so moving it makes me want to cry. Again, it's so out of place for this genre. Please talk about the idea behind this track and how it fits into the album.

Petr: This is a song my brother did. There is a lot from his and my heart and I wanted to share the beauty with everyone who could be touched. There is a certain kind of energy that flows through all the album and from a spiritual point of view this song has a clear place on Elvenefris. This song is for everyone who has a beautiful and tender heart."

It's an unconventional album, but not in the same way as, say, Gorguts' "Obscura". Instead of furthering Death Metal, I would say it epitomizes "Life Metal", and does so with distinctiveness and integrity to the artist's vision. The album isn't a total failure and more of a hit-and-miss affair, but given your tastes (which are similar to mine considering your contribution to this (http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=7382&highlight=reccomend+recommend+death+metal) thread), I wouldn't recommend it.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on November 27, 2004, 03:37:19 AM
I decided to download it and give it a try, and it's interesting. Very clear naturalist themes. I hate stuttery brutal death more than almost anything else in metal, and there's a bit too much of that on here, but the album is spiritually interesting enough for me to want to give it a few more listens before making my mind up.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on November 29, 2004, 08:51:15 AM
In Battle
Kristallnacht
Spear of Longinus
Obtained Enslavelment
Warloghe

And for laughs, check out this asshole:

http://www.geocities.com/fogg_04/

Black metal made with a computer and a casio keyboard!!
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on November 29, 2004, 11:34:18 AM
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Limbonic Art
Nifelhelm

Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on December 15, 2004, 05:08:23 PM
Agalloch
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Cynical on December 15, 2004, 06:23:40 PM
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Agalloch

They wish they were Opeth.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: FIAT on December 17, 2004, 02:23:19 PM
Countess
Morrigan
Nagelfar
Rotting Christ
Myrddraal
Gravewurm
Hades
Mystifier
Godless North
Saltus
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on December 17, 2004, 03:21:16 PM
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Countess
Morrigan
Nagelfar
Rotting Christ
Myrddraal
Gravewurm
Hades
Mystifier
Godless North
Saltus


Countess - An aesthetically unique spin on first wave BM/beherit. Doesn't have lasting value, but it ain't bad. *Fairly* consistant discography, too. The new one is decent, "De Wilde Jacht" is a very cool song.

Nagelfar - Srontgorrth is an interesting release, incorporating industrial and other influences into long, atmospheric tracks. Recommended.

Rotting Christ - Important band in the old-school greek scene, though never quite hit the heights of Varathron or Necromantia.

Myrddraal - "Blood on the Mountain" is fairly decent but not essential by any stretch, if I recall. I haven't listened to it in at least a year though, and didn't really give it that much time in the first place.

Hades - "Dawn of the Dying Sun" is excellent - one of the true classics. The best album out of all the bands discographies on your list (which I've heard).
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on December 17, 2004, 03:49:47 PM
I bought Thy Mighty Contract recently and have really enjoyed it, but I wasn't sure about their subsequent work... is it worth checking out?

kthx lol
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Post by: FIAT on December 17, 2004, 05:42:11 PM
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I bought Thy Mighty Contract recently and have really enjoyed it, but I wasn't sure about their subsequent work... is it worth checking out?

kthx lol


Based on what I've read, from "Triarchy of the Lost Lovers" onward, the answer is no. No idea about "Non Serviam."
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Post by: worldsshell on December 18, 2004, 03:13:13 AM
Countess' first four albums are essential. I don't see where the beherit comparison comes in... this is atmospheric minimalist satanic black metal!! Book of the Heretic and Ad Majorem are their best, the newer stuff is definately worth checking out if you like their older stuff. Some of the best lyrics I have read!... Countess I cannot really compare to anyone, they are very original but have that Black Metal ATMOSPHERE-- perhaps where their "orthodox" label comes from...

Mystifier... Wicca and Goetia are great! EVIL black metal! Reminds me a lot of OLD GREEK and BLASPHEMY in places, but also has some south american vibe... not that thrashy though. Not to mention it's played by negroes, so has some novelty value as well, he he he....

Morrigan are shitty third/fourth wave bm trying to copy bathory and norsk/viking stuff, don't bother.

Rotting Christ... YES!!! This is classic GREEK black metal! Buy or die! THY MIGHTY CONTRACT!
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on December 18, 2004, 03:18:03 AM
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No idea about "Non Serviam."


It's alright, worth downloading but I wouldn't put it high up on my must-buy list.
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Post by: AwakenChaos on December 18, 2004, 05:05:42 PM
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It's alright, worth downloading but I wouldn't put it high up on my must-buy list.


Non took me awhile to get used to.

Everything from Thy Mighty Contract and before was great.

Resuscitator reminds me much of rotting christ. good band
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on December 18, 2004, 09:03:26 PM
saltus is fun, if that.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: kultron on December 19, 2004, 01:49:02 PM
I would like to to know peoples opinions on both Leviathan (the US one, with Wrest), and Xasthur.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Cynical on December 19, 2004, 04:32:30 PM
Suicidal black metal is for people who relate to Korn but want to be "kvlt".
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: FIAT on December 19, 2004, 04:44:39 PM
Xasthur is fairly good. It is slower, melancholy, keyboard-laced black metal. All the albums are somewhat similar. Dusk is a band parallel to this one.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on December 19, 2004, 06:32:35 PM
The Swedish Leviathan is ok, the American one sucks.
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Post by: Astral Poetry on December 23, 2004, 10:10:19 PM
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You may also like "Feasts" by Black Murder, and some of the ambient work from other FBL bands which I'm not so familiar with is supposed to rule.


A great example of an FBL ambient project is Moevot, comprised of one of the fellows from Belketre.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Astral Poetry on December 23, 2004, 10:18:34 PM
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I would like to to know peoples opinions on both Leviathan (the US one, with Wrest), and Xasthur.

Xasthur's first two albums are the only ones of worth, even though they are quite derivative still. Nocturnal Poisoning is his best.

I find Leviathan to be rather interesting, particularly on the newest album "Tentacles of Whorror". The best way to describe it is dark, avant-garde black metal at points, for good or ill.

Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Death on January 16, 2005, 05:27:26 AM
Purtenance
Decameron
Lemming Project
Mortal Decay
Acerbus
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Wolfbane on January 16, 2005, 05:51:59 AM
secrets of the Moon
angantyr
Nokturnal Mortum
I've heard these bands before(and really like NM) but I would like to know the consensus.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Cynical on January 16, 2005, 11:38:25 AM
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secrets of the Moon
angantyr
Nokturnal Mortum
I've heard these bands before(and really like NM) but I would like to know the consensus.

Angantyr- "Sejr" is meh; it seems vaguely like a less ambitious version of Sorcier Des Glaces.

Norktrnal Mortum is stupidly overrated.  Nechrist's "folk elements" aren't really a part of the music, but rather the good old "well, now we've got to do the folk thing so that people will think that we're special".  Lunar Poetry was just gay.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on January 20, 2005, 10:17:20 AM
Candlemass
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Post by: ray ban on January 20, 2005, 08:53:34 PM
agantyr is okay from what i've heard of them.

secrets of the moon is good, i've liked what i've heard.

nokturnal mortum is excellent, i like practically all of their output. some of their stuff is just incredible, and lunar poetry through the taste of victory are practically flawless.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on January 21, 2005, 03:33:27 AM
Decameron are above average for Gothenburg but retain some cheese, Lemming Project rule, Purtenance are good, Mortal Decay are one of very very few good bands on Unique Leader, Angantyr aren't bad, Nokturnal Mortum have two excellent albums (Goat Horns and NeChrist), Candlemass are enjoyable (particularly Epicus...).
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Post by: ray ban on January 21, 2005, 07:46:50 AM
Ah!!!!

Someone mentioned Mortal Decay. They are easily my favorite band ever. Try to get your hands on Sickening Erotic Fanaticism, and the more recent album is easier to get since it was released on Unique Leader. Also you can get the self released demo compilation called A Gathering Of Human Artifacts from the band.

Their first full length is amazing though. These guys are just the best...
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Hyllvlug on January 21, 2005, 09:02:22 AM
[nor] Helheim (Bergen) - Jormundgand & Av Norron Aett

Pagan metal in the old vein (folk/black for some). On the latter albums 'Blod og Ild' and 'Yersinia Pestis' they changed style to a more filled and polished sound, introducing electronic elements (especially on the last) and so leaving pagan metal. But their first two are definitely worth to check out, n' also very original. n' you'll like them if you also liked Graveland, early Burzum, In the Woods' - ...Heart of the Ages, early Enslaved, early Satyricon and in this vein you may also want to check the below:

[dk] Angantyr - Kampen Fortsaetter & Sejr
[swe] Sigrblot - Blodsband
[nor] Hades (Bergen)  [now Hades Almighty] - all
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Wolfbane on January 21, 2005, 11:50:33 AM
alright I might sound like a dumbass for putting these bands up but what the hell:
Watain
Diabolicum
Newer Enslaved
Borknager
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on January 23, 2005, 02:29:10 AM
Watain are....alright...uber-overrated though. Avoid new Enslaved and Borknagar like the Jerry Springer show.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on January 23, 2005, 07:31:19 AM
When ever anyone challenges the premise that Western Society is nearing complete collapse, all one needs to counter with is a clip of the Springer show or any other daytime network TV show.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Cynical on January 23, 2005, 07:48:39 AM
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Watain

Watain are good.  Not the "OMFG, SAVIORS OF BM!" like they're made out to be, but good.

Newer Enslaved, on the other hand... no thanks.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on January 23, 2005, 05:11:52 PM
Horna
Revenge
Nastrond
Krohm
Abazagorath
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Hyllvlug on January 24, 2005, 03:00:29 AM
Krohm are good for insomnia
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Cynical on January 26, 2005, 08:02:08 PM
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anyway, i'm still waiting on opinions on lunar aurora and seance.

From Lunar Aurora, I've heard the split with Paysage d'Hiver.  Quite overrated; occasionally they hit a decent riff, but as a whole it's quite boring with plenty of sentimental passages.  Avoid.

Seance, at least Saltrubbed Eyes (I haven't heard the other), is quite cool.  Brutal DM with many of those Finnish progressive tendencies. Reccomended.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Cynical on January 27, 2005, 08:05:22 AM
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From Lunar Aurora, I've heard the split with Paysage d'Hiver.  Quite overrated; occasionally they hit a decent riff, but as a whole it's quite boring with plenty of sentimental passages.  Avoid.

Listening to their first album, "Weltenganger", it's apparent that they were once a MUCH better band.  I'd definitely reccomend this album.  Sort of reminds me of Sacramentum, very good.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on January 28, 2005, 09:09:32 AM
Anyone heard the new Mutiilation album?
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Post by: 1443 on January 29, 2005, 02:08:20 PM
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Limbonic Art
Nifelhelm


Limbonic Art's - Moon in the Scorpio their first n' best album.  In my opinion, damn good, hymn to night. It can be wrapped with the blasphemous word: "a beauty". It uses keyboards but they're killed mercilessly by the frozen black/pagan metal sound.

But as much as I liked this first one, they sound pretty generic on their other works, unluckily from their immediate second album. Careful not to download or not to get the remastered version that comes with the more recent 4cd pack (marketing shit). They've modified it badly, changed the tracklist n' sound like frozen farts. (I suppose frozen farts should sound like that)


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... Deathspell Omega, though I suggest giving their new one a listen if you haven't already, it's quite different and superior to anything else they've done.


I agree on this. Si Monvmentvm Reqvires Circvmspice sounds indeed very interesting. No relation to their previous works, like they're some other band or sth. n' for the better. (They got some church chants somewhere inthere too. - just a note).
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: 1443 on January 29, 2005, 02:31:18 PM
Faustcoven
Thy Primordial
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Razor on January 30, 2005, 10:44:25 AM
Benighted (the DM band, not BM)
Bloodbath
Blood Red Throne
Dornenreich
Funeral Mist
Nocte Obducta
Pest (Ger)
Shining
Mirrorthrone
Thy Primordial
Unmoored

Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on January 30, 2005, 06:16:34 PM
Bloodbath and Blood Red Throne were some of the bands I was listening too when I first got into metal. The mentality in the circle I was around was that certain popular bands like Deicide sucked because they were trendy and therefore decent underground copies were substituted.  Though I doubt any of those kids had heard of Carnage or Dismember before.

Bloodbath is textbook Stockholm DM. Nothing thats not been done before and better. Avoid.  Blood Red Throne are a bit better but still offer nothing any number of other genres have not packaged better.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: 1443 on January 31, 2005, 12:23:01 PM
I like latest Bloodbath "Nightmares Made Flesh"

Peter Tägtgren - lead vocals
Anders "Blakkheim" Nyström - guitars
Dan Swanö - guitars
Jonas Renkse - bass
Martin “Axe” Axenrot - drums
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Wolfbane on January 31, 2005, 03:51:20 PM
German thrash besides big three(destruction, kreator, sodom)? Also recommended albums for destruction and sodom?
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: death metal black metal on January 31, 2005, 07:50:52 PM
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German thrash besides big three(destruction, kreator, sodom)? Also recommended albums for destruction and sodom?


Sodom - Persecution Mania

I do not recommend Kreator, and can only halfway recommend Destruction.

I would also seek Atrocity and Blood, however.

Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: phantasm on February 01, 2005, 04:15:29 PM
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German thrash besides big three(destruction, kreator, sodom)? Also recommended albums for destruction and sodom?


I second the Persecution Mania suggestion for Sodom and also recommend their live album Mortal Way of Live which is one of the best live albums I've heard along with Morbid Angels Entangled in Chaos.  I don't think you can go wrong with any Sodom releases up until Agent Orange.  I admit to not really hearing any Sodom albums past that point.

As for Destruction I'd say their first four which are Sentence of Death, Infernal Overkill, Eternal Devastation and Mad Butcher.  Those are all great albums.  I haven't heard Release From Agony (their 5th) but I've heard it was another soild album.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: phantasm on February 01, 2005, 04:23:07 PM
Is there any Unleashed album after Where No Life Dwells that's worth aquiring?  I haven't heard anything beyond that album but I have heard the following two albums sound very familiar to Where No Life Dwells.  I know for a fact that the new albums are horrible, which is why I am wondering if there are any other Unleashed albums of worth besides their first.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: kontinual on February 02, 2005, 02:37:02 AM
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Is there any Unleashed album after Where No Life Dwells that's worth aquiring?  I haven't heard anything beyond that album but I have heard the following two albums sound very familiar to Where No Life Dwells.  I know for a fact that the new albums are horrible, which is why I am wondering if there are any other Unleashed albums of worth besides their first.



Shadows from the Deep and stop there.
Their demos are also worth hearing as they sound much darker and more brooding than any of the album material.  
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: FIAT on February 02, 2005, 12:16:02 PM
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Shadows from the Deep and stop there.
Their demos are also worth hearing as they sound much darker and more brooding than any of the album material.  


You didn't like "Across The Open Sea"? I thought that was their last good one.  As for the demos, if you have the reissue of "Where No Life Dwells" you should have the bulk of them on there. In any case, get the reissue which contains both their second and third full-length albums together.
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Post by: kontinual on February 02, 2005, 12:45:04 PM
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You didn't like "Across The Open Sea"? I thought that was their last good one.  As for the demos, if you have the reissue of "Where No Life Dwells" you should have the bulk of them on there. In any case, get the reissue which contains both their second and third full-length albums together.


To be totally honest I've never heard "Across the Open Sea."  :-[  My recommendation was based on what I have heard plus the fact that I never see overt praise for that disc.  Since they are together are on the 2-on-1 I guess it doesn't matter ultimately if it is recommended or not  ;D
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Flight_of_Zapan on February 03, 2005, 09:42:55 AM
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Watain are good.  Not the "OMFG, SAVIORS OF BM!" like they're made out to be, but good.

Newer Enslaved, on the other hand... no thanks.



Watain is an obvious copy of Dissection. Proving the complete demise of Dissection's integrity, they were especially invited to support them on their recent tour. How fucking quaint.

Newer Enslaved? A turn off for anyone unable to deal with non-Metal influence in their Metal but a plus for anyone who loves their prog. Shit? I don't think so....
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on February 03, 2005, 10:53:24 AM
"Shadows In The Deep" is easily Unleashed's best.
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Post by: Cynical on February 03, 2005, 12:58:11 PM
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"Shadows In The Deep" is easily Unleashed's best.

Where No Life Dwells > Shadows in the Deep.  If only because Shadows... has "The Immortals", which utterly sucks ass, and also has a cover of "Countess Bathory" which manages to even be worse than the original.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: baxter on February 06, 2005, 06:12:56 PM
miasma?
fleshcrawl?
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on February 07, 2005, 02:12:24 AM
"Changes" by Miasma and "Descend Into The Absurd" by Fleshcrawl are two of the best DM albums ever written - period.

I reviewed Miasma here if you're interested - http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=1064

"Descend..." is right up there with stuff like "Soulside Journey", early Demigod and Incantation etc etc for doomy, ominous, intelligently structured ferocity.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Death on February 07, 2005, 12:59:47 PM
I second Miasma - Changes and Fleshcrawl - Descend Into the Absurd, both are excellent, even essential albums. Fleshcrawl's other stuff isn't nearly as impressive as Descend..., though.

I agree with Derision on Unleashed. Both albums are pretty similar, and at times Shadows... even manages to sound derivative of Where no Life Dwells, but Shadows... just seems to be peppered with a lot more standard, straightforward Death Metal material.
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Post by: Cynical on February 07, 2005, 02:09:30 PM
I'm going to disagree on Miasma.  Take Slayer, Pantera, and Cult of Luna/Isis/Neurosis/etc. and put them in a blender, and you've got Miasma.  
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on February 08, 2005, 01:15:02 PM
Sure thing. :-/
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Post by: death metal black metal on February 08, 2005, 03:54:57 PM
Miasma only came about 11 years before Cult of Luna or Isis...

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Post by: Cynical on February 08, 2005, 05:19:16 PM
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Miasma only came about 11 years before Cult of Luna or Isis...


That doesn't mean that they can't do plenty of the same crap, and still suck at doing it.

Besides, Neurosis was already around and sucking in that way.
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Post by: Apostate on February 11, 2005, 12:51:29 PM
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Dullsville Burzumesque melancholic tedium. Overly digitised sounding synths at work in the ambient pieces.

Is that the same guy on Burzum forum?
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Post by: phantasm on February 11, 2005, 07:19:45 PM
How's Sigrblot?
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Post by: Annihilaytorr on February 11, 2005, 10:53:52 PM
Similar to Marduk a little bit but with folk influences instead of Rolling Stones.  Not bad.




Monstrosity
Malevolent Creation
Holocausto
Moonblood
Vader

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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on February 12, 2005, 04:05:18 AM
Monstrosity - one of the best Floridian bands
Malevolent Creation - Boring, from what I've heard (which isn't much, I must admit)
Holocausto - Cool primitive stuff
Moonblood - Made some very good stuff, peaking at "Blut und Krieg" which is one of the gloomiest, bleakest pieces ever written.
Vader - Started brightly, deteriorated quickly
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Post by: Annihilaytorr on February 12, 2005, 05:35:57 AM
Dehumanized
Razor
Slaughter
Artillery
Exhorder
Destruction
Kreator
Sodom
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Post by: ali akhbar on February 14, 2005, 05:03:55 AM
seeking opinions on:

antaeus
monumentum
abruptum
primordial's 'a journeys end'
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Post by: Annihilaytorr on February 14, 2005, 08:32:49 AM
all those bands I already listed and Sargeist.
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Post by: GoddamnElf on February 14, 2005, 08:39:20 AM
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antaeus
abruptum


Antaeus is great, go for cyfaws before their second, but their second isn't bad at all.

Abruptum is awful.
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Post by: baxter on February 15, 2005, 04:39:13 PM
abruptum is.... interesting..
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on February 16, 2005, 04:53:53 AM
I'll go with 'awful'.
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Post by: FIAT on February 17, 2005, 05:08:05 PM
Revenge
Sunwheel
Taake
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Post by: Annihilaytorr on February 17, 2005, 08:52:46 PM
Lucifugum
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Post by: Flight_of_Zapan on February 17, 2005, 10:40:55 PM
Mekong Delta

Angel Dust

Holy Moses

Ibex Throne

Cult of Daath

Vectom
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Post by: Apostate on February 18, 2005, 03:28:45 AM
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Revenge


It's entirely my opinion, but Revenge is a bunch of drunken fools (one is the otherwise excellent Pete H. from Angel Corpse i believe) showing how to completely disregard any musical training they've had, and moronically playing as fast and as disorganized as they can. Reminds me of what little 10 year olds come up with when they listen to "Welcome to Hell" and pick up their instruments for the first time. Pretty wretched, stupid shit, the kind that drives people interested in Metal away in droves. Go grab ANYthing by Dio, Mercyful Fate, or Darkthrone instead.
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Post by: ali akhbar on February 18, 2005, 08:21:51 AM
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Revenge
Taake

revenge - incessant blast beat driven misantropikk nonsense.
taake - cheesy; rocky black metal mixed with overdone norse folk elements.
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Post by: phantasm on February 18, 2005, 11:29:58 AM
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revenge - incessant blast beat driven misantropikk nonsense.


I concur.  Revenge is also amusing to see live.  Their drummer can't play for shit and misses beats.  I think it's because he sets himself up in the front so he can bash the drum kit and thrash around.  He flops around a lot when he pounds his drum kit and I thought he was going to fall off his stool.  It was also to funny to see the bald members wearing sun glasses and constantly rotating their heads in a slow clockwise direction as if streching their neck before a fight.  If my memory serves me correctly they made overuse of sliding up and down the strings with the pic.
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Post by: phantasm on February 18, 2005, 11:31:51 AM
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Angel Dust


Heard somthing off a newer album and remember not being overly impressed.
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Post by: phantasm on February 18, 2005, 11:42:37 AM
Let's go with:

-Master

-Holenthon

-Graveland (heard them many times, but I'm wondering what releases are good to start with.  Some of the older material I thought wasn't accomplished musically, but some newer stuff is awesome.)

-Lord Wind

-Impaled Nazerine

-Ice Ages

-Abigor

Finally, any recommendations for a good Berhit album to pick up.  I've heard the old material but I've been interested in how Electric Doom Synthesis sounds.
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Post by: ray ban on February 18, 2005, 04:12:36 PM
monstrosity - millenium

great old school sounding technical death metal, like earlier martyr, etc. later stuff sucks imo, cheesy melodic lines which keep you interested for a few minutes, like slaughter of the soul, covenant.

antaeus - cut your flesh and worship satan

fun kvlt blasting black metal. second album blows.

moonblood

i like their full lengths. not amazing.

graveland

pick up celtic winter, carpathian wolves, thousand swords, and/or following the voice of blood. rest is boring imo, these albums are just amazing though. others will tell you otherwise but whether their later stuff sucks or not you should probably start here.

impaled nazarene - ugra karma

godly. first album is boring, albums after this one are boring.

abigor

i've said it once, i'll say it again, they fucking suck.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on February 18, 2005, 04:34:04 PM
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Let's go with:

-Master

-Holenthon

-Graveland (heard them many times, but I'm wondering what releases are good to start with.  Some of the older material I thought wasn't accomplished musically, but some newer stuff is awesome.)

-Lord Wind

-Impaled Nazerine

-Ice Ages

-Abigor

Finally, any recommendations for a good Berhit album to pick up.  I've heard the old material but I've been interested in how Electric Doom Synthesis sounds.


Master - Get the s/t, very influential early DM band.

Graveland - "Thousand Swords" is easily their best work - one of the best 4 or 5 metal albums ever, but Carpathian Wolves, Following the Voice of Blood and The Fire of Awakening are also very much worthwhile. "The Celtic Winter" is overrated.

Lord Wind - Get "Forgotten Songs", often described as a non-metal "Thousand Swords".

Abigor - "Nachthymnen" is probably their best stuff if you can get past the gay female vocals in places, for fans of Lugburz-era Summoning and Immortal.
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Post by: Wolfbane on February 18, 2005, 05:34:03 PM
On The Celtic Winter, it's actually a really good album. It just dosn't seem like a graveland album in terms of lyrics(medieval horror) or sound(goes for a gothic atmosphere). It's still an awesome album but Thousand Swords is probably thier best work and what should come to mind when you think of Graveland.

Now I know this one band is going to be thrown around and beaten with a stick but I still wanna know why exactly thier a terrible band:

Nargaroth
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on February 18, 2005, 05:58:47 PM
Lacking in spirit, conviction, innovation, etc bloody etc.
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Post by: GoddamnElf on February 19, 2005, 02:38:47 PM
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monstrosity -
antaeus - cut your flesh and worship satan

fun kvlt blasting black metal. second album blows.

graveland

pick up celtic winter, carpathian wolves, thousand swords, and/or following the voice of blood. rest is boring imo, these albums are just amazing though. others will tell you otherwise but whether their later stuff sucks or not you should probably start here.

impaled nazarene - ugra karma

godly. first album is boring, albums after this one are boring.

abigor

i've said it once, i'll say it again, they fucking suck.


Second Antaeus album doesn't blow, but it's just not as great as cyfaws.

Post- Following The Voice Of Blood Graveland varies in quality from album to album, but some of them do suck. Thousand Swords and Following The Voice Of Blood are their strongest two.

I think the first Imp Naz is awesome.

I love Abigor's first 4 albums, but they never made any albums that would actually go under the category of awful.
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Post by: Arctic Sun on February 20, 2005, 02:51:27 PM
Looking for opinions of:

Sigh
Skepticism
Windham Hell
Acid Death
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on February 20, 2005, 05:00:17 PM
Get Skepticism's "Stormcrowfleet" and Windham Hell's "Reflective Depths Imbibe" as soon as possible.
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Post by: GoddamnElf on February 21, 2005, 06:05:56 AM
Sigh - Scorn Defeat, some of their other albums aren't bad either.
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Post by: Flight_of_Zapan on February 22, 2005, 09:41:26 AM
Sigh's 'Hail Horror Hail' is a fine album.Total prog and bizarre with it.  A love it or hate it kind of a listen.
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Post by: FIAT on February 24, 2005, 02:00:40 PM
How are the Morpheus Descends albums beyond "Horror Infinity"; worth a purchase?  
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Post by: Arctic Sun on February 25, 2005, 10:29:33 AM
I forgot to mention that I'm also curious if Tormentor is worth looking into.
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Post by: kontinual on February 25, 2005, 12:22:50 PM
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How are the Morpheus Descends albums beyond "Horror Infinity"; worth a purchase?  


I assume you mean beyond "Ritual of Infinity" and not beyond "The Horror of the Truth" which is their most recent recording.  (I also assume you juxtaposed the album names thanks to the MONSTROSITY song ;)).

Anyway, they are recommended if you happen across them. For the most part they are stylistically consistent and of similar quality.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on February 25, 2005, 12:48:10 PM
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I forgot to mention that I'm also curious if Tormentor is worth looking into.


"Anno Domini" is essential for historical importance, and it rules regardless.
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Post by: Arctic Sun on February 25, 2005, 02:16:37 PM
Do you know if it is still in print?  
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Post by: FIAT on February 25, 2005, 04:26:19 PM
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I assume you mean beyond "Ritual of Infinity" and not beyond "The Horror of the Truth" which is their most recent recording.  (I also assume you juxtaposed the album names thanks to the MONSTROSITY song ;)).

Anyway, they are recommended if you happen across them. For the most part they are stylistically consistent and of similar quality.


Holy shit you read by mind! Now that's a Freudian slip with metal written all over it. Thanks for the recomendation, and for deciphering my text! ;)
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Post by: ray ban on February 26, 2005, 04:24:48 AM
Wormed - Planisphaerum

I like this album quite a bit, but then again I'm also partial to Brodequin and Disgorge. Opinions?

edit:

Since I posted I might as well respond to the other statements. The second Antaeus album is repetative, totally unthematic, uninspired, and generally lacking in any... zest? Something like that. If they come out with something else I'll check it out but De Principii... was a dissapointment imo.

Tol Cormpt.. is just boring in the same way as The Oath Of Black Blood is, key word being "undeveloped".  They're not terrible but neither had as much direction as later albums from each band and for me they're just boring as fuck to listen to. Impaled Nazarene seemed to burn out in the creative department after Ugra Karma. Their third release is okay but I guess similar to Antaeus' second release.
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Post by: Apostate on February 26, 2005, 05:05:33 AM
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I forgot to mention that I'm also curious if Tormentor is worth looking into.


Tormentor's "Anno Domini" is exactly what any long time fan of Bathory's first four albums wants. Attila's voice on these, Black Thrash, recordings beats anything he did afterward. In fact, it can be argued that Attila was, at base, a Black Thrash vocalist, and wasn't exactly Euronymous' best choice when looking for a replacement for Dead. (This may sound strange, but at the time Euronymous had been looking for a replacement vocalist, I just assumed he would ask Nocturnal Culto of Darkthrone. Certainly, Culto could have done a job more in line with Dead's croaking legacy). Tormentor is vicious, shredding Thrash ecstasy, and is the perfect addition to a collection of greats like the aforementione Bathory Classics, Sodom and Kreator's first five releases, and of course the Mayhem and  Aborym material.
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Post by: nordicjew on February 26, 2005, 08:48:58 AM
a few questions.
it seems that here on anus, death is not looked upon to fondly, which hurts me seeing as I found them brilliant. secondly, I am not a fan of cannibal corpse, and something about them makes me feel as though their a fake death metal (or death grind band), but I was wondering if that was accurate.
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Post by: Annihilaytorr on February 26, 2005, 12:04:20 PM
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Wormed - Planisphaerum

I like this album quite a bit, but then again I'm also partial to Brodequin and Disgorge. Opinions?

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Despite the stolen Cryptopsy riffs, it is a good album in line with the other two you mentioned. It has a larger brain pan than any Brodequin recording but still falls well short of the highmark set by the most recent Disgorge.


Tormentor absolute 666.
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Post by: Apostate on February 27, 2005, 12:03:30 AM
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a few questions.
it seems that here on anus, death is not looked upon to fondly, which hurts me seeing as I found them brilliant. secondly, I am not a fan of cannibal corpse, and something about them makes me feel as though their a fake death metal (or death grind band), but I was wondering if that was accurate.


I worship Death's first and last albums, and quite a bit of the material in between. Chuck waa a great player, he was simply wrong to have so often put down his past accomplishments.
Cannibal Corpse isn't my favorite, band...in fact, I dislike most of the Barnes stuff. But I respect their uncompromising stance very much. I really enjoyed "Blood Thirst", and think that George Fischer really adds alot to Corpse's songwriting and sound.
I would like to reiterate my admiration for Corpse sticking to their guns after over something like fifteen years, unlike most of the other classic Metal bands.
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Post by: Annihilaytorr on February 27, 2005, 12:15:07 PM
That is a valid point, Corpse has been very consistant over the years. But that also is quite telling about the complexity of their music.
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Post by: phantasm on March 02, 2005, 01:09:54 PM
I just checked out Necrophobic and quite enjoyed the clip.  What are the recommended albums from this band?  I'm already pretty content on The Nocturnal Silence (which is what I heard the clip to) and I'm wondering if there are other albums from them worth obtaining.
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Post by: Cynical on March 02, 2005, 06:14:09 PM
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I just checked out Necrophobic and quite enjoyed the clip.  What are the recommended albums from this band?  I'm already pretty content on The Nocturnal Silence (which is what I heard the clip to) and I'm wondering if there are other albums from them worth obtaining.

After "The Nocturnal Silence", they turned into gaythenburg; avoid.
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Post by: FIAT on March 08, 2005, 07:05:15 PM
How is Morgoth's "Pits of Utumno" demo?
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Post by: GoddamnElf on March 15, 2005, 09:09:03 AM
How is Tenebrae In Perpertuum?
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Post by: death metal black metal on March 17, 2005, 07:17:25 PM
Opinion:

After 1993 for death metal, and after 1996 for black metal: there are probably five albums of each you should own, and the rest are mediocre.

E.g. don't waste your fucking time; listen to the older stuff, read a book and foment chaos.

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Post by: Apostate on March 18, 2005, 03:20:46 AM
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Opinion:

After 1993 for death metal, and after 1996 for black metal: there are probably five albums of each you should own, and the rest are mediocre.

E.g. don't waste your fucking time; listen to the older stuff, read a book and foment chaos.


After 1996 there was Nemesis Divina, Creed of Iron, Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk, Panzer Division Marduk, Vobiscum Satanas,Of War and Elitism, Buchenwald Oven, Blizzard Beasts, and about three dozen very non-mediocre, borderline superlative Metal releases. Quite a bit of Darkthrone's stuff was mandatory after 1996, I doubt I have to list the individual songs that are Classic Standouts on the latter Darkthrone material.
Emperor's Equilibrium had a few really powerful songs, "Sworn" is an outright Power Classic. I'll bet many other posters here can come up with incredible examples to add to this woefully incomplete list.
After 1993 there was Black Force Domain, Deranged, Formulas Fatal To The Flesh, Sound of Perseverence, Coffin Text's mini-cd debut, Sarcophagus' output, Testament's The Gathering....I just can't  reccomend the "old" exclusively, there is so much good music out there; I'd feel irresponsible not to promote both post 1996 Black and 1993 Death. Take a good listen to some of the new, alot of people here would be surprised at how good Extreme Metal still is.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on March 18, 2005, 10:43:33 AM
Deary me...
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Post by: Apostate on March 18, 2005, 10:57:17 AM
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Deary me...



Deary somebody...or.... :P
ee-GAD! I've GOT it! Deary me DICK!!!Wheeee!!! 8)
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on March 18, 2005, 06:14:02 PM
apostate, your taste in music blows. unless you were kidding, in which case that isn't funny.

you know, the whole "post '95 ('93, '96, whatever) metal is worthless" schtick is getting old along with everyone fellating demelich every chance they get. they may not be well known to a very large crowd but everyone in this community always ranks them among the best, and rightly so, but it's stupid to talk about them like no one has ever heard of them when there are still a ton of highly underrated bands/albums that hardly anyone mentions.

you could say that most good extreme metal was released before the mid 90s but it's ridiculous to just ignore the great stuff that came out after just out of spite or something. some of the greatest albums i own came out around '95 and onwards. anyway here's an example for me that works: when someone asks me what kind of music i like and i answer them seriously they usually start talking about some shitty band that their friend likes or heard of or something that's vaguely related to distorted guitars, and even when i try to refer to some of the greatest artists i listen to often most or a lot of their discography is shit so i would just give the wrong impression. obviously this is not really how it should be if the genre was currently even mildly respectable, so in this case i would lean towards saying that, yeah sure, post mid '90s death/black metal sucks. but in a practical sense even though the "scene" is now a bunch of shitty clones of once great musicians, from a practical perspective there is a lot of great music that has been released since those dates and i hold it on the same level as the older material. plus there were shitty bands representing this music then and there are now. now there are just way more of them.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on March 18, 2005, 07:39:18 PM
Astrofaes - Ancestor's Shadows
Blut Aus Nord - The Work Which Transforms God
Dark Tribe - In Jeraspunta...
Deathspell Omega - Si Monvmentvm Reqvires, Circvmspice
Galgeras - Uwer Ter Ere
Graveland - The Fire of Awakening
Nokturnal Mortum - NeChrist
Nortt - Gudsforladt
Sigrblot - Blodsband
Summoning - Let Mortal Heroes Sing Your Fame
Wolfnacht - Heidentum
Wyrd - Heathen

^ My favourite post-99 BM

Arghoslent – Incorrigible Bigotry
The Chasm – Conjuration of a Spectral Empire
The Chasm – The Spell of Retribution
Deteriorot – In Ancient Beliefs
Golem – Dreamweaver
Immolation – Close to a World Below
Immolation – Unholy Cult
Khert-Neter – Arrival of the Funeral Dogs
Mortal Decay – Forensic
Serpens Aeon - Dawn of Kouatl
Vore – Lord of Storms

^ My favourite post-99 DM

Not all innovative, not all generic either.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on March 20, 2005, 05:16:30 AM
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apostate, your taste in music blows. unless you were kidding, in which case that isn't funny.

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That's your opinion. Big deal. I like what I like.I thought "Blizzard Beasts" and "Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk" were really good cds. Nemesis Divina is , again in my opinion, an absolute Black Metal Classic. And Kristallnacht's Of War and Elitism is one of the only worthy Black Metal releases to have come out of Western Europe in the past eight years. So I don't know exactly what the fuck you're talking about. You don't like Deranged? Graveland's Credd of Iron?Hmmm...perhaps I should illustrate what I feel are the best in Metal:
Bathory: Under the Sign of the Black Mark
Sodom: The first three releases.
Darkthrone: Under a Funeral Moon
Iron Maiden: Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
Exodus: Bonded By Blood
Emperor: In the Nightside Eclipse
Thorns: Demos
Spear of Longinus: Nazi Occult Metal demo
Celtic Frost: Morbid Tales
Graveland: Demos
Sarcofago: INRI
Satyricon: Nemesis Divina
Vulcano: Bloody Vengeance
SlaughterLord: All demos
Death: Especially the first three and Sound of Perseverence
Dark Angel: darkness Descends
Kreator: the first five releases.
Burzum: The first four.
Mayhem: Live in Leipzig
Gorgoroth: Pentagram
Mercyful Fate: Don't Break the Oath
Black Sabbath: The first six, Seventh Star, and everything with Dio
Judas Priest: The first three
Pantera: Vulgar Display of Power (fucking KILLS, and FUCK OFF all posers whom pretend to hat ehti s crushing album!)
Yngwie malmsteen: Marching Out
Those are just SOME of what I consider Metal Classics. At least I have the balls to post honestly what I like, whether they're not considered "kult"...who GIVES a fuck? Most fools that would claim how "poser" my list is probably owned at one time pretty much ALL the above cds.
Stop posing.
Everyone's different, and fuck the petty little "Kult" tyrants whom spend half their time on the Internet convincing THEMSELVES that something is good.
For the reality impaired, read especialy that last statement sloooowlllyyy. The ugly Truth.



Manowar: Triumph of Steel, Hail To England
Metallica: Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets
Slayer: Live Undead, Seasons in the Abyss
Morbid Angel: Abominations of Desolation, Formulas Fatal to the Flesh
Deicide: Self Titled
Testmanet: Firts two,

Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on March 20, 2005, 10:55:25 AM
your reaction is stereotypical. all of a sudden when someone attacks your taste in music it's because they're too closed minded omgomgomg. i obviously don't care if the music i listen to is "kvlt" or not or i probably wouldn't have gone on a long discourse of the 80s pop i enjoy in another thread. i just think the metal you like sucks ass. either that or it falls into the huge genre/chasm of mediocremetal.

btw rip dime we will miss u lol
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on March 20, 2005, 10:25:57 PM
I think there are many more then five albums one can find from each genre past those years, but I agree that metal after those years has certainly declined.  As the well of good ideas runs dry, some existing ideas are developed further, while others are retold in a charming manner, but most in a reduntant or lackluster manner. Many are just plain beat into the ground.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on March 21, 2005, 01:56:53 AM
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your reaction is stereotypical. all of a sudden when someone attacks your taste in music it's because they're too closed minded omgomgomg. i obviously don't care if the music i listen to is "kvlt" or not or i probably wouldn't have gone on a long discourse of the 80s pop i enjoy in another thread. i just think the metal you like sucks ass. either that or it falls into the huge genre/chasm of mediocremetal.

btw rip dime we will miss u lol


I guess I'm kind of validated here by your unwillingness to specify which of the albums I listed above "sucks ass", perhaps that in-itself is telling.
I hold nothing against you, and don't think you are any more close minded than the majority of forum posters.
I DO support, respect, and agree 100% with your feelings on Dime, man. You rule for bringing that up here. Thanks.
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Post by: ray ban on March 21, 2005, 02:19:56 AM
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I DO support, respect, and agree 100% with your feelings on Dime, man. You rule for bringing that up here. Thanks.


i was trying to make fun of you for mentioning pantera, who probably more than anyone in your post deserve the label "suck ass", but apparently it backfired. anyway i don't care anymore. your reaction just annoyed me, "omg im not afriad 2 listan 2 teh meatl datz not kvlt lol" and then you listed a bunch of albums. i could care less what terrible music you listen to, and i guess i expect to see that "stereotypical" response everywhere but here, which is about closed mindedness, i.e., "you're not open minded enough to listen to what you really like, you just go with the crowd and listen to what's 'kvlt' and 'tr00'". also insulting someone over the internet is the last thing i will ever take seriously, so relax.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on March 21, 2005, 03:29:25 AM
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i was trying to make fun of you for mentioning pantera, who probably more than anyone in your post deserve the label "suck ass", but apparently it backfired. anyway i don't care anymore. your reaction just annoyed me, "omg im not afriad 2 listan 2 teh meatl datz not kvlt lol" and then you listed a bunch of albums. i could care less what terrible music you listen to, and i guess i expect to see that "stereotypical" response everywhere but here, which is about closed mindedness, i.e., "you're not open minded enough to listen to what you really like, you just go with the crowd and listen to what's 'kvlt' and 'tr00'". also insulting someone over the internet is the last thing i will ever take seriously, so relax.



The last part you wrote, about being incapable of taking anything on an Internet forum seriously, elevates you way above the twelve year old fmp666 mentality. However, I NEVER attacked you for your tastes. I simply have a hard time understanding someone that didn't get off on the crushing aggression of "VUlgar Display of Power". But then, I can't understand either so many people's obsession with the imo horribly overrated older Sepultura, when to me it was obvious that the best Sarcofago, Vulcano, and Krisiun blows such SHIT away.
So, we're both opinionated. Again, Big Deal.
No disrepect intended.
'Scuse me, I'll just throw on Anno Domini and wail the fuck out.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on March 21, 2005, 07:02:33 PM
Seeking opinions -

Linkin Park
Nile
Ad Hominem
Papa Roach
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on March 22, 2005, 01:05:33 AM
Hmmmm.Papa Roach and Linkin Park= Just-got-done-wishing-I-could-suck-off-a-African-American-yesterdaybut-now-I-think-I'm-"metal" shit garbage.
Ad Hominem is pretty cool Black Metal. Nile is very fast with too low voals for me. That written, they are still very good death metal.
I got a reissue of Oppressor "Agony" yesterday, and it kills. Buy that before any of the above listed, or Pessismist.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: neoclassical on March 22, 2005, 02:59:21 AM
i think we should return to the thread topic. if there's nothing to say on-topic, then simply remain silent. and Annihilaytor, please stop your trolling attempts.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on March 22, 2005, 05:04:43 AM
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i think we should return to the thread topic. if there's nothing to say on-topic, then simply remain silent. and Annihilaytor, please stop your trolling attempts.

What does that mean: trolling? Looking to pick a puerile fight on the Internet?

Here's an opinion I need: anyone familiar with Exhumer? I'm into super speedy black thrash with shreddy guitar solos.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: death metal black metal on March 22, 2005, 02:22:56 PM
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Here's an opinion I need: anyone familiar with Exhumer? I'm into super speedy black thrash with shreddy guitar solos.


Are you into a style, or into musical quality?

Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on March 23, 2005, 05:37:21 PM
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i think we should return to the thread topic. if there's nothing to say on-topic, then simply remain silent. and Annihilaytor, please stop your trolling attempts.


I see nothing wrong in trolling to stop a useless flame war.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: death metal black metal on March 23, 2005, 07:13:42 PM
"Right" and "wrong" don't exist.

My perception is that we can either try to have a forum that is not filled with shit, or we can give up.

I address this as much to those who reply to some of the truly abysmal cases we've seen show up here recently as to those who bicker offtopic in threads.

It's not my board - it's the community's board. Time to decide what you want: shithole or function?

Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on March 24, 2005, 12:55:35 AM
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Are you into a style, or into musical quality?



I guess I am "weird", I love sloppy musicianship (but featuring intense aggression and speed) like Endless Pain and Obsessed By Cruelty for Thrash just as much as I worship fantastic musicianship (see Testament's New Order and Metallica's Ride the Lightning).
So, in the case of Thrash, I worship insane, maniacal Speed just as much as musicianship. Either/Or/Both.
Anyone whom HASN'T checked out SlaughterLord is MISSING OUT on some of the most Classic Thrash.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on March 24, 2005, 01:06:01 AM
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"Right" and "wrong" don't exist.

My perception is that we can either try to have a forum that is not filled with shit, or we can give up.

I address this as much to those who reply to some of the truly abysmal cases we've seen show up here recently as to those who bicker offtopic in threads.

It's not my board - it's the community's board. Time to decide what you want: shithole or function?



You intimate a difference between useless and useful bickering. I think the admin DOES recognize that there is such a thing as stimulating bickering, as long as it remains above the useless "nyaa nyaa" tone."Useful" bickering tends to make a board stay active. I appreciate this particular forum because the moderators don't shut people down too readily. Otherwise, a forum turns into what Metal Maniacs is today: completely biased, Semite-sucking shit.
As to "abysmal cases", I don't see half as many here as I do on a little-kiddie-scared-his-mommy-will-catch-him-onthe-no-no-forum shitcamp like fmp666.
I respect the fact that the admin here tends to voice its concerns on the board rather than shutting people down, or popping up with crybaby PMs. But I think all posters here RETURN here because this forum is freer than nearly all the others. As much as I enjoy the Metal Mayhem Forum, I sometimes have to turn to this one if I feel I'm being a bit overly restrained.
That written, I must thank the Admin here for allowing me to post more of my Fascistic threads on this board...it just shows you people are open minded.
I was going to pm the admin about this, but felt I'd be just as open as they are, and put it out in the open here, instead.

Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Wolfbane on March 24, 2005, 09:06:37 AM
seeking opinions on 80s german speed metal such as Helloween and Running wild.

Please return this topic to recommending music not defending egos.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on March 24, 2005, 10:37:25 AM
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seeking opinions on 80s german speed metal such as Helloween and Running wild.

Please return this topic to recommending music not defending egos.

Running Wild had some cool early stuff, and Helloween is more like semi-okay Power Metal. Go buy the first album by Sabbat and forget that other stuff. Guaranteed you will like it better.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: death metal black metal on March 24, 2005, 04:01:24 PM
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"Useful" bickering tends to make a board stay active.


Is there a difference between debate and bickering?

Part of the reason this board exists is because the main board started, for awhile, to resemble back issues of Der Sturmer....
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: nordicjew on March 28, 2005, 03:25:25 PM
alright seeking oppinions on:
-Hypocrisy
-Macabre (just  curious what other people think of them)
-Absurd
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on March 28, 2005, 03:53:39 PM
Hypocrisy and Macabre both suck. Absurd's older material is NSBM/punk stuff and their newer stuff is boring. Get Werwolfthron, Facta Loquuntur, and maybe the ep, even though it's shit.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: kontinual on March 28, 2005, 04:33:32 PM
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Hypocrisy and Macabre both suck.


Maybe you need more exposure to both?

Early HYPOCRISY (the first two) is very good period death metal.  They were never as innovative as some of their peers, nor are they as derivative as many say; they managed to make solid, heavy death metal and forged an identity through only two albums with the style.  Everything following "The Fourth Dimension" is absolute garbage, of course, but the first two stand completely alone from the disgusting remainder of their back catalog.

Early MACABRE was unique in many ways, as well, and ahead of their time in others.  It's essentially hyper-speed hardcore but managed to be surprisingly musical and (IMO) the earlier works survive novelty even with their outright humourus approach to lyrics and songwriting.  Much of the later stuff is quite boring but I still enjoy albums like "Sinister Slaughter" and "Gloom" on a certain level.

Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: FIAT on March 28, 2005, 04:41:09 PM
Hypocrisy in its earliest incarnations was examplary of Swedish death metal, albeit hybridized with the American styles, and touched with a remnant sliver of heavy metal. By no means extraordinary, it is still worthwhile music capturing the spirit of death metal which has since faded with time to a residual nostalgic afterglow.

http://www.anus.com/metal/hypocrisy.html
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on March 28, 2005, 05:47:29 PM
To be fair, I could stand to listen to Macabre more.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on March 29, 2005, 02:26:32 AM
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Hypocrisy and Macabre both suck. Absurd's older material is NSBM/punk stuff and their newer stuff is boring. Get Werwolfthron, Facta Loquuntur, and maybe the ep, even though it's shit.



I agree with the comments on Absurd. I liked Sinister Slaughter by Macabre, it's MEANT to not be taken seriously.
The first two Hypocrisy full lengths are Classic Death Metal. I also don't think you've heard much of the earliest Hypocrisy. Anyone whom likes killer Satanic Black Death Metal like the Deicide debut will be very happy with Hypocrisy's early stuff.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on March 29, 2005, 02:32:46 AM
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Maybe you need more exposure to both?

Early HYPOCRISY (the first two) is very good period death metal.  They were never as innovative as some of their peers, nor are they as derivative as many say; they managed to make solid, heavy death metal and forged an identity through only two albums with the style.  Everything following "The Fourth Dimension" is absolute garbage, of course, but the first two stand completely alone from the disgusting remainder of their back catalog.





I agree with and am impressed with your writing, except for stating that stuff like the "Fourth Dimension" was good. It's entirely my opinion, but "Fourth..." and "Abducte" both mark the era where Tatgren started liking shit bands like Megadeth WAY too much. I was personally offended by "Abducted" with its revolting "Rust in Peace" worship (Mega-shit), and was even more repulsed by Tatgren taking over vocal duties...he SUCKS.
Then again, I was REALLY happy when the original singer for Hypocrisy went Black Metal and joined Dark Funeral for "Vobiscum Satanas", though they started eating shit shortly after that Classic release.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on March 29, 2005, 02:39:16 AM
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Hypocrisy in its earliest incarnations was examplary of Swedish death metal, albeit hybridized with the American styles, and touched with a remnant sliver of heavy metal. By no means extraordinary, it is still worthwhile music capturing the spirit of death metal which has since faded with time to a residual nostalgic afterglow.

http://www.anus.com/metal/hypocrisy.html



The above posts are examples of how a Metal Forum can include excellent writing and critique. I would have learned alot about these bands just by reading the above posts by Hate Edge and company. There are plenty of people with informed opinions on this Board whom don't expose themselves as Basic Posers by constantly throwing their "Kult Adherence" in the face of others. Great job, thank you.
The above posts make me more interested in what goes on here.
I again must ask: has anyone any familiarity with the '80's Thrash band ...I think they were called Exhumer or Exumer? One of their releases was called something like Possessed by Fire? What about the band Razor? Zoetrope?
I like really speedy Thrash with intense, ripping guitar solos. Tome, Thrash is exemplified in stuff like Kreator: Endless Pain, Morbid Angel: Abominations of Desolation and Testament: New Order, as weird and diverse as those citings may seem.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: kontinual on March 29, 2005, 05:16:03 PM
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I agree with and am impressed with your writing, except for stating that stuff like the "Fourth Dimension" was good. It's entirely my opinion, but "Fourth..." and "Abducte" both mark the era where Tatgren started liking shit bands like Megadeth WAY too much. I was personally offended by "Abducted" with its revolting "Rust in Peace" worship (Mega-shit), and was even more repulsed by Tatgren taking over vocal duties...he SUCKS.
Then again, I was REALLY happy when the original singer for Hypocrisy went Black Metal and joined Dark Funeral for "Vobiscum Satanas", though they started eating shit shortly after that Classic release.


To be clear I wasn't implying "The Fourth Dimension" stands in the same realm as the first two as it is clearly more rock-influenced and inconsistent overall.  I think it floats somewhere in between those albums and everything following, the whole of which is more or less unlistenable.  For the record also I have no problem with MEGADETH, but taken in the context of death/black metal I agree that taking primary influence from them is problematic.

A final for the record goes to my thinking DARK FUNERAL is boring, one-dimensional shite.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on March 29, 2005, 06:24:50 PM
actually out of absurds discography i really only find the facta loquuntur rerelease of any value. specifically the rerelease because of the bonus material. it adds a lot to the album imo.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: nack_ on March 29, 2005, 06:36:29 PM
Specific album: Infernum's Farewell - anybody heard it? If so, any good? And how does it stack up to previous releases?

I'm interested to hear it, particularly due to the issues regarding Karcharoth.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on March 29, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
has it been released?? i heard some advance tracks...
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: nack_ on March 29, 2005, 06:52:51 PM
I'm going by what I heard - which was a 2005 release.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on March 30, 2005, 04:36:48 AM
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To be clear I wasn't implying "The Fourth Dimension" stands in the same realm as the first two as it is clearly more rock-influenced and inconsistent overall.  I think it floats somewhere in between those albums and everything following, the whole of which is more or less unlistenable.  For the record also I have no problem with MEGADETH, but taken in the context of death/black metal I agree that taking primary influence from them is problematic.

A final for the record goes to my thinking DARK FUNERAL is boring, one-dimensional shite.


Your comments on Hypocrisy are pretty much agreed with, and again I hail your well thought out post.
As to Dark Funeral, I hear tht alot from people as to their 1 dimensional style. I guess I just LIKE the super speedy Swede sound. Just me.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on March 30, 2005, 04:38:45 AM
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actually out of absurds discography i really only find the facta loquuntur rerelease of any value. specifically the rerelease because of the bonus material. it adds a lot to the album imo.



I always thought the only good song by Absurd was the COVER of Pesttanz by Kristallnacht. I felt that their early stuff was some of the most overrated in the history of music. Strange "Punk-Metal", which rarely even sounded like the latter half of my designation. It astounds me how people still wanted to perform fellatio on them , after their bland, outrageously derivative full length.
Go check out the Det Hedenske/Abyssic Hate split instead.
I also felt Absurd should be the one covering Kristallnacht, not the other way around. Listen to "Of War and Elitism" again, Kameraden.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: GoddamnElf on April 02, 2005, 04:48:27 PM
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I lways thought the only good song by Absurd was the COVER of Pesttanz by Kristallnacht. i also felt Absurd should be the one covering Kristallnacht, not the other way around. Soin "Of War and Elitism" again, Kameraden.

Fuck Kristallnacht, you're an idiot.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on April 03, 2005, 08:15:09 AM
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Fuck Kristallnacht, you're an idiot.

Thanks for the articulate, mature post. I'll bet many listen to your detailed evaluations of bands in general. Yawn.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Vestige on April 03, 2005, 08:58:46 AM
In fact, I am. See here: http://www.anus.com/metal/hall/YaBB.cgi?board=metal_talk;action=display;num=1112541796
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Vestige on April 03, 2005, 11:15:53 AM
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Opinion:

After 1993 for death metal, and after 1996 for black metal: there are probably five albums of each you should own, and the rest are mediocre.

E.g. don't waste your fucking time; listen to the older stuff, read a book and foment chaos.



Noteworthy latter-day black metal:

Averse Sefira
Hate Forest: channeling Pure Holocaust-era Immortal's  tonal atmospherics through the medium of Winter
Drudkh
Negura Bunget
Gontyna Kry (is this formation still active?)
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on April 04, 2005, 01:44:33 AM
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Noteworthy latter-day black metal:

Averse Sefira
Hate Forest: channeling Pure Holocaust-era Immortal's  tonal atmospherics through the medium of Winter
Drudkh
Negura Bunget
Gontyna Kry (is this formation still active?)


Excellent listing, and I DO think Gontya... is still active. Not positive, I'll get back to you.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Vestige on April 04, 2005, 09:04:54 AM
Two German groups known unto me only by name:

Caacrinolas
Professor
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Raubritter on April 05, 2005, 01:42:01 AM
According to the Metal Archives Gontyna Kry will soon be releasing a CD entitled 'The Immortal Spirit of Barbarian Fury'.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Vestige on April 05, 2005, 06:45:46 AM
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According to the Metal Archives Gontyna Kry will soon be releasing a CD entitled 'The Immortal Spirit of Barbarian Fury'.


I am aware of this and have been for some time now. However I also seem to recall reading that the group had disbanded.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Vestige on April 05, 2005, 09:10:47 AM
Make provisions for Slavophilia; from my perspective this nation holds great promise.

I have yet to obtain the most recent Perunwit release 'Wszystkie odcienie szarosci'. Is there any soul present that might advise me of its merits, in relation to earlier releases? (Nor have I beheld the 'Perkunu' albums).
In a similar vein is the music of Wojnar, whose instigator also contributes to the heathen volk group Piorun, who by their associations allow me to mention both the apparently not dissimilar Temnozor and the somewhat undefinable Mistigo Varggoth Darkestra; whose 'Midnight fulmoon' cassette is unexceptional amongst the seemingly vast 'Symphonic-ritual-shamanic-astral-trance-ambient etc.' genre, though if critics are to be believed, the second release 'Key to the gates of apocalypses' is a more accomplished creation.

To be prolongated further...
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on April 05, 2005, 09:41:15 AM
Behexen
Craft
Betrayer
Torture Squad
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on April 05, 2005, 10:48:23 AM
Mortal Sin
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on April 06, 2005, 12:53:15 PM
I like Behexen's first album, Rituale Satanum. The rest I've heard is garbage though, specifically the album after that. Craft's Total Soul Rape and Terror Propaganda are excellent imo. Both these bands just play killer Black Metal that reminds me of early Darkthrone/Throne Of Ahaz. They don't try to pretend they're anything other than that though, which is why I like them.

Drudkh, Hate Forest, Gontyna Kry, etc. are half assed NSBM ripoffs who play boring music. If you think Craft and such bands are the same, I would agree that they're just taking a certain style and milking it but to me they don't pretend they're more than that. I'd rather listen to Burzum, Nokturnal Mortum, or even other new(er) bands like Ohtar or Lunar Aurora before I listened to these morons. They're all hype and no content.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Annihilaytorr on April 06, 2005, 06:00:26 PM
Hate Forest and Drudkh I found much more interesting then Behexen, who play faceless Black Metal not unlike 200 other bands.

Ophiolatry*
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on April 06, 2005, 07:29:01 PM
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Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on April 07, 2005, 05:15:00 AM
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I like Behexen's first album, Rituale Satanum. The rest I've heard is garbage though, specifically the album after that. Craft's Total Soul Rape and Terror Propaganda are excellent imo. Both these bands just play killer Black Metal that reminds me of early Darkthrone/Throne Of Ahaz. They don't try to pretend they're anything other than that though, which is why I like them.

Drudkh, Hate Forest, Gontyna Kry, etc. are half assed NSBM ripoffs who play boring music. If you think Craft and such bands are the same, I would agree that they're just taking a certain style and milking it but to me they don't pretend they're more than that. I'd rather listen to Burzum, Nokturnal Mortum, or even other new(er) bands like Ohtar or Lunar Aurora before I listened to these morons. They're all hype and no content.



You made many good points; I just don't agree with a few of them..as applied to the specific bands you mentioned.
This is my review of Craft.
http://www.hailmetal.com/gate.html?name=MReviews&op=show&rid=142

Here's another excellent band:
http://members.libreopinion.com/blut_krieg/

By the way I'm such an early Burzum fan that I catch myself not playing anything else BUT Burzum for weeks on end.
When i comment on something, it's always just my opinion. But I figure it's a given that most of the posters here wear the fuck out of music from Aske, NeChrist,Under the Sign of the Black Mark, ad infinitum. It's just cool to check out newer stuff, if it's good.
I can't reccomend Aryan Triumph's demo enough, it's just scathing, horribly hateful NS Black Metal of face-pealing magnitude. Best demo I've heard in awhile, and I also listen to the best stuff by demo bands like Helm of Awe, Veil and Battle Tyrant.
I would actually step on a Craft cd in order to check out the tapes of ANY of those bands. Those are very recently-releasing bands that wipe out the "Darthrone's Panzerfaust-worshipping" Total Soul Rape. Shit, at least they could have ripped off GOOD Darkthrone, like Under a Funeral Moon; shit,Antaeus tried.
Nokturnal Mortum is a very good band... I liked "NeChrist" better than "Lunar Poetry". Heard the newer stuff slowed down?
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on April 07, 2005, 09:20:17 AM
i wouldn't say slowed down, although i actually prefer some of the tracks off the taste of victory to the versions on the new album, weltanschaung. but really i've never heard anything like weltanschaung. more atmosphere and freedom for direction than almost any "bm" album i've heard.

but then again i'm actually not sure what you mean by slowed down. if it's from a strictly technical sense.... i guess. but i wouldn't agree with the artistic implications that could apply.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on April 07, 2005, 01:01:32 PM
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i wouldn't say slowed down, although i actually prefer some of the tracks off the taste of victory to the versions on the new album, weltanschaung. but really i've never heard anything like weltanschaung. more atmosphere and freedom for direction than almost any "bm" album i've heard.

but then again i'm actually not sure what you mean by slowed down. if it's from a strictly technical sense.... i guess. but i wouldn't agree with the artistic implications that could apply.


I worshipped the fastest stuff on NeChrist, and I noticed they keep a highly musical, yet sastisfactorily rabid sound. The music that they put over blast beats was incredible.
Now I'm interested in "Taste of Victory". I've found Nokturnal Mortum to have been one of the most interesying BM bands there ever has been.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: FIAT on April 07, 2005, 02:50:59 PM
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I worshipped the fastest stuff on NeChrist, and I noticed they keep a highly musical, yet sastisfactorily rabid sound. The music that they put over blast beats was incredible.
Now I'm interested in "Taste of Victory". I've found Nokturnal Mortum to have been one of the most interesying BM bands there ever has been.


Don't bother with "The Taste of Victory." The vocals have taken a ridiculous turn for the worst, and the metal elements on the album actually detract from the quality of the music. They would have been better off having made an instrumental folk/ambient release.

That said, the final track from the album, "As The Steel Eagle Into Golden Svarga," was recorded a couple years prior to the rest of the material and is considerably better, similar in style and quality to their earlier output.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on April 07, 2005, 06:00:58 PM
"Goat Horns" is still my favourite by them, for a detail explanation as to why go here:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=1646

NeChrist is ever so gradually growing and growing on me though. It's a tough one, but clearly very creative.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: FIAT on April 08, 2005, 04:53:17 AM
You really can't go wrong with any of their three earliest full-length albums, namely, Goat Horns, To the Blasphemous Gates of Fire, and NeChrist, respectively. Their demos Lunar Poetry and Marble Moon were excellent as well, though their first demo Twilightfall fall was something else altogether--it was melodic heavy metal in the earliest style of In Flames or Dark Tranquillity. The vocals have not yet been honed at this point (1995) and sound somewhat funny at times, though the instrumentation isn't too different from tha aforementioned bands' contemporaneous material.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on April 09, 2005, 02:51:24 AM
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You really can't go wrong with any of their three earliest full-length albums, namely, Goat Horns, To the Blasphemous Gates of Fire, and NeChrist, respectively. Their demos Lunar Poetry and Marble Moon were excellent as well, though their first demo Twilightfall fall was something else altogether--it was melodic heavy metal in the earliest style of In Flames or Dark Tranquillity. The vocals have not yet been honed at this point (1995) and sound somewhat funny at times, though the instrumentation isn't too different from tha aforementioned bands' contemporaneous material.



I'm very disappointed to hear about Nokturnal Mortum's Taste Of Victory. NeChrist is definitely better each time I hear it. In my opinion, NeChrist is what Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk COULD have been if Ihsahn hadn't been so busy sucking his own dick.
It's fascinating to hear about NM's earliest stuff. I have never been the biggest fan of In Flames (or ANY of that scene, which in my opinion DOESN'T include At the Gates). To hear that such a good band like Nokturnal ... EVER had such an influence is frankly shocking to me. I guess I'll be avoiding that earliest stuff.
And, I hate to write this, but looks like their new one is still on hold for me, though I like to think of myself as a fan of Nockturnal Mortum.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: FIAT on April 09, 2005, 01:33:16 PM
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It's fascinating to hear about NM's earliest stuff. I have never been the biggest fan of In Flames (or ANY of that scene, which in my opinion DOESN'T include At the Gates).


At The Gates was completely different, as you stated. The band was a delineation of Swedish death metal into a melodic, more complex variant, making its earliest works strikingly original and yet nevertheless forgotten, it seems, by mainstreamers who lapped up the style of their last album, by which they had reverted to mere speed metal rehash.

At The Gates, and most of the cream of the Swedish scene, predated the Gothenburg  movement, which as stated above, was just a heavy metal circus by the time it was most ostensibly recognized. The earliest bands blending quite a bit of heavy metal with Swedish death metal were excellent, however, and I definitely recommend Sentenced, as well as bands such as Dawn and Unanimated to a lesser extent. The second Necrophobic album, though vastly different in style and not as great as their first, isn't too shabby either if the Dissection style suits you.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Apostate on April 10, 2005, 01:37:54 AM
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At The Gates was completely different, as you stated. The band was a delineation of Swedish death metal into a melodic, more complex variant, making its earliest works strikingly original and yet nevertheless forgotten, it seems, by mainstreamers who lapped up the style of their last album, by which they had reverted to mere speed metal rehash.

At The Gates, and most of the cream of the Swedish scene, predated the Gothenburg  movement, which as stated above, was just a heavy metal circus by the time it was most ostensibly recognized. The earliest bands blending quite a bit of heavy metal with Swedish death metal were excellent, however, and I definitely recommend Sentenced, as well as bands such as Dawn and Unanimated to a lesser extent. The second Necrophobic album, though vastly different in style and not as great as their first, isn't too shabby either if the Dissection style suits you.

Your thoughts on At The Gates are especially easy to agree with, though becazuse I'm such a FANATIC for speed metal I love Slaughter of the Soul almost as much as the groundbreaking, Undying Classic first stuff they released.
Also, I'm not that familirar with Unanimated, but Dawn's earliest stuff I really liked. I think they had that excellent Swedish Shred/Thrasher playing guitar back then....Thomas something I think? Really good player.

Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: fraction on April 10, 2005, 11:04:12 AM
*greets all

Tsjuder
Enthroned
Blodsrit
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Death on April 11, 2005, 09:07:17 PM
Seeking opinions on the bands Embracing, Lemming Project and Rune.

Of these, I've only heard the latter two and was dissappointed. Rune seems to be a band with a lot of ambition and the right ideas but the completely wrong execution and style; too many cross-genre and commercial elements, from metalcore vocals to gothenburgish riffing, narrative songwriting, a clusterfuck of influences and a superficial similarity to Wicked Innocence make "The End of Nothing" an unenjoyable flop as a (death) metal album, but nonetheless a unique work of popular music. Not my cup of tea. That's my take on it, I'd be interested in what others have to say; I have a feeling this band will somehow become as overrated in the metal underground as Lykathea Aflame were a year ago, briefly lauded for their uniqueness and then summarily forgotten.

Lemming Project's "Hate and Despise" was another dissappointment for me, maybe because I was expecting an "oldschool" Death Metal when I sought them out. The first time I heard them, they almost sounded like proto-numetal/"mallcore" to me. Cynical's dismissive remarks about Miasma a while back (which I can't exactly remember) apply well here. Plodding riffs which venture too much into industrial influence (which, to my disdain, are the same kinds of influences detectable in Fear Factory and a host of other chart-topping hot topic "metal" bands) and an atypical style of vocal delivery make it an album almost too unconventional for my liking, although interesting (from what I remember) song structures, lyrical subjects and themes made it worthwhile. It is, however, far from generic and has the potential to grow on me as an unadulterated, honest work of art, though it may have failed to meet my initia (rather stringent) expectations as a Death Metal album.

Again, these are just my thoughts and are subject to change, though I'm interested in what others have to say. Out of the three, Embracing is the one I've never heard and am most curious about.
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Post by: Apostate on April 12, 2005, 01:05:27 AM
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Seeking opinions on the bands Embracing, Lemming Project and Rune.

Of these, I've only heard the latter two and was dissappointed. Rune seems to be a band with a lot of ambition and the right ideas but the completely wrong execution and style; too many cross-genre and commercial elements, from metalcore vocals to gothenburgish riffing, narrative songwriting, a clusterfuck of influences and a superficial similarity to Wicked Innocence make "The End of Nothing" an unenjoyable flop as a (death) metal album, but nonetheless a unique work of popular music. Not my cup of tea. That's my take on it, I'd be interested in what others have to say; I have a feeling this band will somehow become as overrated in the metal underground as Lykathea Aflame were a year ago, briefly lauded for their uniqueness and then summarily forgotten.

Lemming Project's "Hate and Despise" was another dissappointment for me, maybe because I was expecting an "oldschool" Death Metal when I sought them out. The first time I heard them, they almost sounded like proto-numetal/"mallcore" to me. Cynical's dismissive remarks about Miasma a while back (which I can't exactly remember) apply well here. Plodding riffs which venture too much into industrial influence (which, to my disdain, are the same kinds of influences detectable in Fear Factory and a host of other chart-topping hot topic "metal" bands) and an atypical style of vocal delivery make it an album almost too unconventional for my liking, although interesting (from what I remember) song structures, lyrical subjects and themes made it worthwhile. It is, however, far from generic and has the potential to grow on me as an unadulterated, honest work of art, though it may have failed to meet my initia (rather stringent) expectations as a Death Metal album.

Again, these are just my thoughts and are subject to change, though I'm interested in what others have to say. Out of the three, Embracing is the one I've never heard and am most curious about.



Im empathize with your plight, in particula regarding the definition of old school death metal.
I often think of "old school death metal" as being of the same bands that were borderline Black Metal DURING the "Old School". Albums like Scream Bloody Gore,Vulcano's Bloody Vengeance,Sarcofago's classic INRI,Deicide's debut, Thou Art Lord's Eosforos,Blood Fire Death, Abominations of Desolation. I have heard only one of the bands mentioned above, but I greatily reccomend Denatta's material, they are a great Swedish band that do more than just copy the classic South American Death/Black Metal, but add a significant amount of modern day Exodus (Baloff-era) and Kreator to the mix. Powerful stuff, too bad they're no longer together.
Also, I consider great,old-schoolish modern day Death metal greatness to be Oppressor and Pessimist.
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Post by: Apostate on April 13, 2005, 03:57:36 AM
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*greets all

Tsjuder
Enthroned
Blodsrit


Enthroned is to me in the same class as Setherial; though I don't mean that in a derogatory way, because I happen to like Setherial. Both bands play pretty much unoriginal Scandinavian Black metal, but they do it with excellent facility and passion. I never get bothered by bands whom run a style into the ground, but do it really well and with heartfelt devotion to their craft. The speedy Scandinavian style is something I am personally partial to anyway.
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Post by: Wolfbane on April 16, 2005, 01:13:19 PM
Intruder(old thrash)
Brodequin

these are the biggest bands from my state tennessee so I would like some second opinions
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on April 17, 2005, 05:35:47 AM
Brodequin are upsetting in their shitness.
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Post by: nordicjew on April 17, 2005, 02:54:50 PM
ok, heres a few:
-inverted
-deteriorate
-belphagor
-darkness eternal
-infernum
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Post by: Cynical on April 17, 2005, 03:43:28 PM
Belphegor sucks, and is really poorly executed brutal DM with a BM image.
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Post by: FIAT on April 17, 2005, 04:06:22 PM
Withered Earth/Disgorge
Insision
Behemoth - Historica
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Post by: neoclassical on April 19, 2005, 01:18:32 PM
ALBUMS
lugubrum -- heilige dwazen
winterblut -- das aas
absurd -- blutgericht
furze -- furze
thesyre -- duality
velvet cacoon -- north of december

BAND
Nothing



opinions, please
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Post by: Profanation on April 20, 2005, 08:27:55 AM
I'm interested in descriptions of these bands. Opinions on their best material would also be appreciated.

Blood Ritual
Convulse
Shub Niggurath


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Post by: ray ban on April 20, 2005, 03:31:30 PM
I don't care what anyone says, I think Brodequin fucking rules.
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Post by: catharsis on April 21, 2005, 06:42:11 PM
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Belphegor sucks, and is really poorly executed brutal DM with a BM image.


monotomous drumming...argh.

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Shub Niggurath


i only have "kinglike celebration" and it reminds me an awful lot like altars of madness. good though!
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Post by: Apostate on April 22, 2005, 06:18:39 AM
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I'm interested in descriptions of these bands. Opinions on their best material would also be appreciated.

Blood Ritual
Convulse
Shub Niggurath




Don't hesitate..if you like ANYthing by Deicide, Acheron,Insatanity or that lot you will go nuts over Blood Ritual's debut full length.
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Post by: Apostate on April 22, 2005, 06:19:13 AM
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Belphegor sucks, and is really poorly executed brutal DM with a BM image.


Agreed. Belphegor is interminable.
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Post by: nordicjew on April 24, 2005, 06:44:26 AM
Deteriorate-The Senectuous Entrance
Torchure-beyone the veil
Baphomet-the dead shall inherit
miasma-changes
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Post by: FIAT on April 24, 2005, 07:53:44 AM
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miasma-changes


Miasma is well worth your trouble--quality death metal that one who enjoyed Therion during their artistic height would appreciate, and some of the most outstanding deep gutteral vocals in death metal. An underrated landmark, "Changes" is an overlooked hallmark of death metal during the genre's peak, which remains original in that it cannot at all be essentialized into a single category due to its myriad stylistic shifts, which remain cohesive to such a degree that this can be called no less than epic excellence.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on April 24, 2005, 08:22:53 AM
Get the Torchure immediately.

I'll post my Miasma review (again):

A huge beast lurks among the shadows of an ancient temple, yearning for blood and destruction. Its minions stand in a circle, surrounding a flame of pestilence. One by one, they sacrifice themselves, sacrifice their blood for their master. The monstrosity emerges, and its true, gargantuan size is made known, yet it is still only shadow. All cower in fear. It will devastate all in its path. It won't stop until the last spot of life is bloodily slaughtered upon its horns. This is "Changes" by Miasma.

It's very rare that the drum-production on a brutal death metal album is, well, thin, and not at all powerful. Then again, I suppose it defeats the genre's usual aims; be as heavy, unsubtle and meaningless as an elephant headbutting a tree. This is the first of many indications that Miasma have bags more sophistication than that though; indeed, I imagine they hate stuttery belching bands almost as much as I do. What we have here is drums that are rather tinny. Sure, they're perhaps a little bit too tinny at times, I empathise with those who think so, but this simply isn't the kind of album that wants or needs powerful drum production. This is all about atmosphere, this is all about mightyness in composition, not in aesthetic.

One slow, chugging, doomy passage after another is laid down between bursts of frantic drumming and riffs that lick fire across the mind, all accompanied by low and demonic vocals. Want to be a death metal vocalist? Listen to this guy. The blood of occult ritual oozes from the unstable-sounding Swedish-styled melodies; balefulness incarnate. The ideas "collapse upon one another seemlessly", like the previous reviewer stated, inside narrative frameworks that tend to start off ominous and then build into malevolence, providing me with a strong portrayal of the concept I wrote in the first paragraph. Ever wondered what Therion would've been like in their early days if they'd conjured up their music with Slayer in hell itself? So have Miasma.

There's the odd nasty bit of organ work (wtf is the intro to Schizophrenia supposed to be? Please Miasma, don't ever try to Gospelise Beethoven's 5th again, particularly not as an intro to the best song on your album), though its generally tastefully integrated into the music. There's the odd bit of acoustic guitar to be found as well, but there's certainly no problems with that. The tinny drum-production I mentioned seems to annoy some people. These are the only faults.

Disregarding these imperfections which, frankly, are hardly worth mentioning, this is complex and dark death metal that's conceptually excellent and that possesses atmosphere in abundance. It can stand among virtually any genius death metal albums you could care to name, without feeling out of place. If you like "Beyond Sanctorum" and you like early Slayer, you'll like this, so go get it.
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Post by: Profanation on April 24, 2005, 08:34:49 AM
Abhoth
Excruciate
Phlegethon
Purtenance
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Post by: FIAT on April 25, 2005, 11:43:58 AM
Centurian
Raison d'Etre
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Post by: nordicjew on April 26, 2005, 01:51:04 PM
Von-Satanic Blood
Macrodex-Infernal excess
Adramelech_Psychostasia
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Post by: FIAT on April 26, 2005, 02:51:48 PM
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Von-Satanic Blood
Adramelech_Psychostasia


Von was an American joke band formed in the interim between black metal's first and second waves, playing music about as minimalistic as one could get. Clichés aside, the music is surprisingly tolerable and does provide an atmosphere formulated out of primitivism. Gutteral vocals can be found instead of the usual rasp used in black metal; supposedly an Autopsy member was part of the band.

Any Adramelech album is worth your while; this one's worthy of a blind purchase. I don't want to spoil the fun.  ;)
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on April 28, 2005, 02:36:20 PM
rudra
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Post by: Flight_of_Zapan on April 29, 2005, 10:39:50 AM
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ALBUMS
lugubrum -- heilige dwazen
winterblut -- das aas
absurd -- blutgericht
furze -- furze
thesyre -- duality
velvet cacoon -- north of december

BAND
Nothing



opinions, please





Winterblut are an odd band reminding me of Voi Vod and Rudimentary Peni. Unorthodox Black Metal. I like it but others probably despise it for it's peculiarity.

Furze is a great band. I rarely, if ever, see them mentioned anywhere. Necromanzee Cogent is an horrific, paranoid listen that cannot be reccomended enough. I tend to listen to this alongside early Sabbath, early Electric Wizard and Sigh.  The recent 10" he released is fantastic in it's genius production. Bass high up in the mix and heavy Led Zeppelin drums combined with highly original riffing. Kind of reminds me of King Crimson. Fucking ace.  


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Post by: Profanation on May 01, 2005, 12:38:18 AM
Dr. Shrinker
Tiamat
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Post by: phantasm on May 01, 2005, 12:58:06 AM
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Dr. Shrinker
Tiamat



Hey awesome, Dr. Shrinker, I never thought anyone would put that, as this band is one very few people probably remember.  Since you put Shrinker you reminded me to put up another band in the underrated section called Phantasm.  Shrinker is old school death metal that never got beyond the demo stage (haven't really heard enough to recommened anything...but I can tell you to check out Phantasm which is a similar style).  

Tiamat - First album is underrated, probably because of this groups later outputs.  Some people can enjoy the band up until Wildhoney, I only enjoy the first and disregard the rest (haven't heard the second which is still supposedly a bit more death metal oriented, but not like the first).  This band deteriorated into a menial Gothic Rock group around the Wildhoney era.  If you want Gothic rock, there are better bands.  The first album, Sumerian Cry, I highly recommened.  Sumerian Cry is a great dark death metal album album with some black metal touches (the use of names like Hellslaughter, the darker atmosphere, etc).
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Post by: Profanation on May 01, 2005, 02:17:20 AM
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Hey awesome, Dr. Shrinker, I never thought anyone would put that, as this band is one very few people probably remember.  Since you put Shrinker you reminded me to put up another band in the underrated section called Phantasm.  Shrinker is old school death metal that never got beyond the demo stage (haven't really heard enough to recommened anything...but I can tell you to check out Phantasm which is a similar style).


Can you tell offer me a brief description on each release by Dr. Shrinker?
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Post by: phantasm on May 01, 2005, 11:59:14 AM
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Can you tell offer me a brief description on each release by Dr. Shrinker?



Sorry, afraid I can't.  Like I said, I haven't heard much from this band as some of their back material is hard to find online and I haven't yet picked up their rerelease.  I know of them via Phantasm, since they share three of the same members.  They played a style similar to old Autopsy...sort of a death grind.  You can get some in depth info on a couple of the releases here:

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=4753

and they recently released all their old material on one disc.

http://necroharmonic.com/default.cfm?SiteMenu=Store&StoreMenu=ShowItem&ItemID=405

Hope that helps.
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Post by: Apostate on May 09, 2005, 06:42:25 AM
Oppressor
Coffin Texts
Buchenwald Oven
Victimizer (Denmark)
Helm of Awe
Horn of Valere
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: FIAT on May 09, 2005, 08:01:06 AM
Some may not agree, but I thought Oppressor's "Solstice of Oppression " was an excellent technical death metal album, which was able to forego a depreciation into an overly jazz-influenced foray while retaining a uniquely melodic, yet heavy entourage.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on May 09, 2005, 10:13:20 AM
Coffin Texts are recommended to people who enjoy downtuned, crushing old-school DM (fans of Vore, etc). Nothing too innovative though.
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Post by: Vestige on May 10, 2005, 05:12:46 AM
Old Wainds
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Post by: nordicjew on May 12, 2005, 12:41:32 AM
ive asked this before but no one seems to respond
-inverted
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Post by: Apostate on May 12, 2005, 01:50:21 AM
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ive asked this before but no one seems to respond
-inverted


Please forgive for my obtuseness, but I had the Inverted cd with the dragon on the cover. Interesting black death-y material. Probably more on the black side, but to be honest, I listened to it about four times when I first got it about four years ago and now need to dig it back up so I can make a more assured opinion. Again, please forgive the lack of help.
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Post by: Profanation on May 12, 2005, 06:54:46 AM
Macabre Omen
Resurrection (US)
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on May 12, 2005, 07:09:27 AM
Macabre Omen are cool, epic BM from Greece. Somewhat similar to The Shadow Order and early Wolfnacht, though not as good as either. The last track on "The Ancient Returns" rules, I must say.
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Post by: Apostate on May 12, 2005, 10:26:05 AM
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Macabre Omen are cool, epic BM from Greece. Somewhat similar to The Shadow Order and early Wolfnacht, though not as good as either. The last track on "The Ancient Returns" rules, I must say.



If you've been listening to early Wolfnacht and Shadow Order, you've been listening to some really excellent Metal. I actually put away my sacred Bathory cd for debut Wolfnacht once I read your post. thank you, Kamerad. Also, there is such raw, hateful Black Metal coming out by the band Xenophobia soon. You might want to look for  (heh) Recrucifier's cd.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on May 12, 2005, 01:40:12 PM
Hmm, may well do. "Heidentum" is awesome, one of the most under-appreciated BM albums ever to grace my ears. The Shadow Order are also worthy, though a bit less so due to their more obviously derivative nature.

My reviews of the two:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=22874
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=25523
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Post by: Apostate on May 13, 2005, 02:36:47 AM
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Hmm, may well do. "Heidentum" is awesome, one of the most under-appreciated BM albums ever to grace my ears. The Shadow Order are also worthy, though a bit less so due to their more obviously derivative nature.

My reviews of the two:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=22874
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=25523


Impressive reviews. Sahdow Order's lack of originality doesn't bother me much, because I love the bands that they love. I'm glad they're at least not pretentious about it.
Hey, if you're into really killer, Paul Baloff-era Exodus, Skolnick-era Testament, Dark Angel,et al then I reccomend both the Danish band Victimizer and the aforementioned Recrucifier, although the latter has some pretty damn lame recording and production, and has alot of guitar solos, which may turn you off.
I also heard that Peste Noire is a great band, with excellent guitar playing...?
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Profanation on May 14, 2005, 02:34:33 AM
How is Adramelech's EP, "Seven" in comparison to their other works?
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Post by: Utopia_Kidnaped on May 15, 2005, 06:30:20 AM
Tearstained.
I was recommended them, but I'm pretty wary at the moment as their whole package seems to scream "Suicidal Black Metal". Have I misjudged?
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Post by: iddqd on May 15, 2005, 07:45:43 AM
Don't bother. Suicide is the primary theme of the band/project. It's mostly first wave BM worship with annoying King Diamond immitative vocals. NOT WORTH YOUR TIME.
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Post by: Utopia_Kidnaped on May 15, 2005, 08:50:23 AM
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Don't bother. Suicide is the primary theme of the band/project. It's mostly first wave BM worship with annoying King Diamond immitative vocals. NOT WORTH YOUR TIME.

Right. Thanks.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: FIAT on May 18, 2005, 03:17:21 PM
I would still appreciate feedback pertaining to these bands:

Withered Earth/Disgorge
Insision
Behemoth (black metal albums)
Centurian
Hate
Yattering
Totten Korps
Infernum
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Post by: phantasm on May 18, 2005, 04:47:24 PM
Seeking opinions on:

Liers in Wait (one of the bands formed from the Grotesque breakup)

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Behemoth (black metal albums)


I recommend From the Pagan Vastlands and The Forests Dream Eternally.  Both of these albums are fairly straight forward black metal with evident folk influences (which many of the early Polish bands reveled in).  From the Pagan Vastlands is more in the style of Immortal's first out put.  What Behemoth did real well on these first two albums was create an atmosphere by weaving in acoustic guitars with the main riffing (this worked exceptionally well for them).  Check out these two as they are the best.  Later albums, starting with Grom, began steps towards their newer style that they play today and I can't really recommend it much as a result.  I don't find it (in particular Grom) heavily original or interesting (there are some good parts in Grom, just not enough).  Grom plays more like a band with an identity crisis, unsure if they still want to play black metal and weave in folk elements to their music (which they still do pretty good on this album when they take the time to put them in); this album reflects a band lacking passion and ideas as it sounds like they are mimicing the style of Mayhem  and mixing it with a little early Satyricon and Dodheimsgard.  In short it is medicore compared to the two earlier works I mentioned.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on May 18, 2005, 06:16:41 PM
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I would still appreciate feedback pertaining to these bands:

Withered Earth/Disgorge
Insision
Behemoth (black metal albums)
Centurian
Hate
Yattering
Totten Korps
Infernum


I agree with Phantasm about Behemoth, and also recommend "Sventevith" as their best full-length release.

What I've heard from Yattering sucks I recall, and I'd be wary of any of the 17 bands named Disgorge.

Infernum's "Taar-Nu-Fuin" is recommended quite highly, it's made by Mr. Fudali and Mr. Capricornus so its quality is a bit of a given. It's somewhat in the Graveland vein, but focuses less on being proud /rousing and more on the mystical side of things.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on May 18, 2005, 06:22:44 PM
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Liers in Wait (one of the bands formed from the Grotesque breakup)


"Spiritually Uncontrolled Art" is a rather deadly incarnation of chaos if I may say so. Technical and quite thrashy (not a combination that normally appeals to me), but there are so many shifting patterns and intense swirling passages (integrated effectively, I might add) that it immerses the listener with surprising ease.
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Post by: Stranger on May 18, 2005, 06:52:39 PM
"Von was an American joke band formed in the interim between black metal's first and second waves, playing music about as minimalistic as one could get. Clichés aside, the music is surprisingly tolerable and does provide an atmosphere formulated out of primitivism. Gutteral vocals can be found instead of the usual rasp used in black metal; supposedly an Autopsy member was part of the band."

Sorta sad that the best Black Metal to have ever come out of the U.S. was from a Joke Band.  :-[

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Post by: Stranger on May 18, 2005, 06:57:20 PM
By the way, what are your opinions on Darkthrones' "Goatlord"?

I think it's their fourth best album behind TH, UAFM, and SJ. The shitty production gives the album a very cold, sterile atmosphere.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: FIAT on May 18, 2005, 08:23:42 PM
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I'd be wary of any of the 17 bands named Disgorge.


Actually I meant to type Disgorged, of whom Dave Culross from Suffocation and Malevolent Creation was a member. The band changed their name to Withered Earth once the original lineup was broken. They're a NYDM outfit.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: FIAT on May 18, 2005, 08:26:10 PM
Yattering actually isn't too bad, though they're somewhat inconsistent. They have improved over the years, from what I've gathered of my listening to them.  The same critique applies to Hate.
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Post by: FIAT on May 18, 2005, 08:27:35 PM
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By the way, what are your opinions on Darkthrones' "Goatlord"?

I think it's their fourth best album behind TH, UAFM, and SJ. The shitty production gives the album a very cold, sterile atmosphere.


It's interesting that you'd rank it above "A Blaze In The Northern Sky."
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Post by: FIAT on May 18, 2005, 08:55:30 PM
Throne of Ahaz - On Twilight Enthroned
Golem - Second Moon
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Post by: Profanation on May 18, 2005, 11:29:00 PM
Thou Shalt Suffer?
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on May 19, 2005, 05:02:26 AM
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Golem - Second Moon


If you've heard the other two, it'll suffice to say that it's pretty much what you'd expect from a stepping stone between them. Probably their weakest, but still worthwhile listening methinks.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on May 19, 2005, 05:04:01 AM
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Sorta sad that the best Black Metal to have ever come out of the U.S. was from a Joke Band.  :-[


Demoncy are a joke band? Well I never.
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Post by: FIAT on May 19, 2005, 01:34:22 PM
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Demoncy are a joke band? Well I never.



Stranger was referring to Von. But I'd agree with you and say that Demoncy at one point was the premier US black metal act; that position now belongs to Averse Sefira.
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Stranger on May 19, 2005, 02:18:19 PM
That's right. It's not to say that other U.S. Black Metal bands aren't good, I just don't think they've been any better than what Von was doing back in the late 80's.

Demoncy are an excellent band, as is Averse Sefira. But I think the latter band is way overrated. Their good, for sure, but I think because one of their members is good friends with Prozak (at least it seems that way), they tend to become overhyped by this website.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on May 19, 2005, 02:41:51 PM
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Stranger was referring to Von. But I'd agree with you and say that Demoncy at one point was the premier US black metal act; that position now belongs to Averse Sefira.


I know, and I agree. I consider "Joined in Darkness" the best BM release ever to come out of the USA, though.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on May 19, 2005, 02:42:41 PM
I also agree that Averse Sefira are a little bit overrated around these parts.
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Post by: FIAT on May 19, 2005, 03:38:20 PM
I wouldn't say they're overhyped. They're mentioned quite frequently around these parts, sure, but for good reason. Their promotion is encouraged as they are far more deserving of notice than many other bands whose fame is widespread.
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Post by: excelver on May 22, 2005, 04:07:57 PM
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Thou Shalt Suffer?


Cool, spooky vein of death metal, some pre-black metal elements but mostly death with eerie keyboard lines.  At least that's what it is for the early pre-Emperor stuff back when ildjarn played with them.
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Post by: FIAT on May 24, 2005, 12:02:42 PM
Pan-Thy-Monium
Opthalamia
Pyrexia
Rise
Deteriorate
Revenant
Swordmaster
Merciless
Gehenna
Heidenreich
Isengard
Watchtower
Dodheimsgard
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Post by: Profanation on May 24, 2005, 12:21:28 PM
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Pyrexia


Very much in the vain of the NYDM bands such as Morpheus Descends and Suffocation, though don't expect anything out of the ordinary from "Sermon of Mockery".
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Post by: nordicjew on May 24, 2005, 04:24:42 PM
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Deteriorate

I have the The Senectuous Entrance which is really good, vocalist can scream forever.
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Post by: kontinual on May 24, 2005, 04:51:32 PM
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Pan-Thy-Monium
Opthalamia
Pyrexia
Rise
Deteriorate
Swordmaster
Merciless
Isengard
Dodheimsgard


Some short remarks about the above:
PAN-THY-MONIUM: despite the gimmicky aura (saxophones, random timings, and general weirdness) some of the material is really strong.  The best of it is melodically rock-tinged but very convincing heavy Swedish style death metal with the above-mentioned quirky additions.  The demo and third album I probably enjoy the most, but I haven't heard a lot of the debut.

OPHTHALAMIA: rock-based "black" doom.  Perhaps a hybrid of "classic" doom (the SABBATH vein) with some newer influences.  Too predicitable for me.

PYREXIA: as mentioned, nothing mind-blowing but pretty decent "Effigy" apeing on the demo and first album.  Avoid the later material which is almost exclusively hardcore.

RISE: the album I have ("Shadows of Ruin") is memorably written American death metal with perhaps a touch of European class.  Better than anything you will hear today heh.

DETERIORATE: the first album is very heavy, moderately complex death metal, similar to what you would expect from that time period stylistically but better than average in songwriting and execution.

SWORDMASTER: first EP is a very short, straight-ahead DISSECTION rip-off, while the remaineder is retro-thrash through and through.  Avoid completely.

MERCILESS: first album and demos are pounding, merciless (heh) speed/death metal, excellent stuff.  The riffing style is quite unique.  I haven't heard the second album but believe it to be in a similar vein.  By the third ("Unbound") they had simplified and hopped the melodic Swedeath/black trend a bit.  Surprisingly though you can hear a natrual progression and it does not sound terribly forced.  A catchy listen if anything.

ISENGARD: the material varies from pure folk anthems to dark death metal (the first demo, included on the "Vinterskugge" CD) to DARKTHONE style black metal (but even better in places!) to ambientish pieces.  Pure genius; obtain both albums as soon as possible, you will not be disappointed.

DODHEIMSGARD: the first disc is great Norwegian black metal.  Unique vocals, style, delivery, andinteresting haunting riffing along with Fenriz's fantastic bass quitar work.  I would be cautious about anything later which lapsed first into retro black/thrash ("Monumental Possession") and then pretentious Moonfag style post-black metal industrial tinged garbage.
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Post by: FIAT on May 24, 2005, 05:13:01 PM
Thanks for the replies kontinual. I am familiar with most of the bands' material I listed--and overhwelmingly agree with your critiques, though I appreciate your comments for any of the ones listed which are novel to me. I will say that I liked that debut Swordmaster EP, however, much in the way that I enjoy the work of a band such as Watain.

Kudos for creativity while coining the phrase,"pretentious Moonfag style."  ;D
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Post by: kontinual on May 24, 2005, 05:18:15 PM
I liked the SWORDMASTER for what it was a while ago, but I remember trading it as it was just too short and ultimately somewhat pointless because of it.  It has probably been 4-5 years since I have heard it so it is hard to recall.  I remember being pissed off by the "preview" track which faded out, haha.
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Post by: Fieldmouse on May 24, 2005, 09:12:06 PM
I would actually say that Isengard is disappointing in that it's so inconsistent. The album Hostmorke really has only two great tracks: Neslepaks and Thornspawn Chalice, whilst the rest sounds like it'd be better left unreleased; it's not horrible, just not ready.
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Post by: nordicjew on May 27, 2005, 05:37:17 PM
anal vomit
unleashed
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Post by: Utopia_Kidnaped on May 28, 2005, 03:17:01 AM
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anal vomit

You can download some full lengh tracks off Anal Vomit's album at this address - http://www.geocities.com/mp3analvomit/ - if you're interested in having a listen.
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Post by: FIAT on May 28, 2005, 06:17:04 AM
Unleashed is great. Their best work is their debut full-length album, "Where No Life Dwells," an essential contributor to the Swedesh death metal sound. They incorporate quite a bit of heavy metal into their technique, but this is mostly on the structural level. They don't meander off on any tangents with worthless soloing, and maintain the classic atmosphere which is found in the best of this sub-genre. The debut is available with cool demos as well, making it very much worth your while. Their next two albums aren't too shabby either, though I don't rate them as highly. Still, they are now packaged together, which is a pretty good impetus to purchase the disc.
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Post by: FIAT on May 28, 2005, 06:23:47 AM
Anyone heard "Crown Of Souls", the new Deeds Of Flesh album? I am listening to it as I type this.
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Post by: Profanation on May 28, 2005, 12:53:59 PM
Unholy (fin)
Runemagick
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Post by: catharsis on May 28, 2005, 08:11:22 PM
rottting christ - before their triarchy of lost lovers album...

necromantia - all

?
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Post by: NeptuneDNA on May 28, 2005, 10:59:52 PM
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Unholy (fin)
Runemagick


Unholy (Finland) are psychotropically charged Doom Metal. Introspective, time-signature-shifty, and bizarre--the band creates an engulfing sound which borders on the brink of insanity. Inhuman screams to disoriented phrases to doom metal sludge, it's all represented in a rather loose fashion.

Consult the following link for more in-depth information:  

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3533

Recommended...

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Post by: Profanation on May 29, 2005, 12:19:54 AM
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rottting christ - before their triarchy of lost lovers album...

necromantia - all

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Rotting Christ were one of the prime contributors to the Greek black metal scene. The EP, "Passage to Arcturo" and and debut "Thy Mighty Contract" come highly recommended.

I haven't heard Necromantia's material which came after "Ancient Pride", though i can say that their Split album with Varathron, "Black Arts Lead to Everlasting Sins", and "Scarlet Evil Witching Black" are both phenomenal pieces of black metal. Necromantia bear a unique sound with their use of 8-string bass as an intrsument for rhythm while incorporating neoclassical leads and sparse use of orchestration to create an atmosphere of seductive evil.
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Post by: Profanation on May 29, 2005, 12:28:04 AM
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Unholy (Finland) are psychotropically charged Doom Metal. Introspective, time-signature-shifty, and bizarre--the band creates an engulfing sound which borders on the brink of insanity. Inhuman screams to disoriented phrases to doom metal sludge, it's all represented in a rather loose fashion.


I came across a similar description from certain reviews and sources. Their later works apparently move towards creating a more melancholy sound but still bearing an unorthodox approach to doom metal.

Thanks  

(If anyone knows where i can hear samples of Unholy's early albums then it would be much appreciated)  
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Post by: catharsis on May 29, 2005, 04:22:24 PM
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 "Passage to Arcturo" and and debut "Thy Mighty Contract" come highly recommended.



Yep. Non Serviam is great too.
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Post by: nordicjew on May 30, 2005, 04:48:51 PM
I've been getting into autopsy lately so I wanted to know if Abscess is any good
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Post by: kontinual on May 30, 2005, 05:33:59 PM
I wouldn't bother with ABSCESS; they follow in the later tradition of AUTOPSY (i.e. "Shitfun") but with even more punk injected.  
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Post by: Fieldmouse on May 30, 2005, 10:44:48 PM
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I came across a similar description from certain reviews and sources. Their later works apparently move towards creating a more melancholy sound but still bearing an unorthodox approach to doom metal.

Thanks  

(If anyone knows where i can hear samples of Unholy's early albums then it would be much appreciated)  


I've just found them shared on DC++.
so far they don't even come close to Thergothon or Skepticism. but perhaps i'm being unfair in comparison?

vocals are particularly irritating. (i'm sampling the second ring of power)
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Post by: Fieldmouse on June 05, 2005, 07:17:43 PM
Winter.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on June 06, 2005, 01:33:50 AM
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Winter.


Rule.
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Post by: Kaliphobic Psychoblack on June 06, 2005, 05:27:08 AM
Abruptum
Nuclear Death (US)
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Post by: Kaliphobic Psychoblack on June 06, 2005, 06:09:24 AM
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I would actually say that Isengard is disappointing in that it's so inconsistent. The album Hostmorke really has only two great tracks: Neslepaks and Thornspawn Chalice, whilst the rest sounds like it'd be better left unreleased; it's not horrible, just not ready.


In the song, Nestlepaks, the main melody sounds like a traditional melody I've heard somewhere. Or maybe Edvard Grieg penned it? Or maybe it was in a movie? At any rate,  I know I've heard it before, and not in a metal song or anything. Anyone know what it may be? If it's a specifically Norwegian folk melody, it's one that's spread beyond that country, because I know I've heard it before, and I live in the U.S.
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Post by: Fieldmouse on June 06, 2005, 06:51:02 AM
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Abruptum
Nuclear Death (US)


Abruptum: random noize excesses dressed up as profundity. We're all so mystified that we don't bother to listen to it.

Nuclear Death: the conclusion of extremity reached through death/thrash/grind. Makes a whole lot of bands redundant. Massive, though indeciferable, sounds.
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Post by: AIDS on June 06, 2005, 09:48:44 AM
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I've just found them shared on DC++.
so far they don't even come close to Thergothon or Skepticism. but perhaps i'm being unfair in comparison?

vocals are particularly irritating. (i'm sampling the second ring of power)


No, you are not. At first I found them interesting, but it never grew into anything else. They basically have a uniqe sound - nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by: Raubritter on June 07, 2005, 07:41:37 AM
Ceremonium ('No Longer Silent' in particular)
Abusiveness
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Post by: FIAT on June 07, 2005, 03:19:49 PM
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Ceremonium ('No Longer Silent' in particular)


Ah, I shall now take this opportunity to listen to this delightful album again so that I can best convey it's nature: combining the most atmospheric elements of evocative death metal, melodic black metal, and an interactive variant of doom on multifarious levels, Ceremonium create a musical journey which enraptures the listener through mesmerizing discourse. Structurally unique, the skill at which this style is played is quite refreshing, and this band are one of few to have ventured into a realm of originality. Their majestic cover of "Cromlech," and the very fact that they have chosen to cover this particular song, elucidate their forthright and authentic attempt at creative artistic expression. In all honesty, this style of music is probably most akin to a progression of the death medal anticipated by pioneers Amorphis.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on June 07, 2005, 07:14:12 PM
Better than "Into the Autumn Shade"?
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Post by: Fieldmouse on June 07, 2005, 07:16:56 PM
I've just gotten both of them on DC++. they're fucking great. you can actually hear the bass guitar!
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Post by: FIAT on June 07, 2005, 07:50:22 PM
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Better than "Into the Autumn Shade"?


I haven't heard it yet, unfortunately.  :(
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Post by: Profanation on June 15, 2005, 03:56:08 AM
Septic Flesh
Thou Art Lord
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Post by: Apostate on June 15, 2005, 04:12:59 AM
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Abruptum
Nuclear Death (US)



I liked "Obscuritatem..." and the other one called..I probably bungled this title, sorry..."Militans..." or something. But definitely check out  "Obscuritatem.." really awful sounds from Hell. Not as structured as "Industrial" which makes it sound way more improvised and genuinely "kult" in my opinion.
Stay away from "Evil genius" most of it is just awfully boring Death Metal.
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Post by: KV626 on June 15, 2005, 08:00:57 AM
Looking for opinions on these bands:

Blessed in Sin: I have "Par Le Sang Du Christ" and find it to be an incredibly tedious listen - how are their other works?
Branikald
Evil (Bra)
Koldbrann
Nitberg
Seigneur Voland
Spear of Longinus
Thallium
Thesyre
Venedae
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Post by: TC on June 15, 2005, 09:55:03 AM
thesyre is probably my favorite band.  new album is great, first album is great, split is great.  great band.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on June 15, 2005, 10:45:01 AM
Branikald - "Stormheit" is an interesting CD, it's one of few epics with very harsh production. Very obvious vibe of Russian nationalism.

Thallium - I recall them being a bit Veles-esque. Pretty good stuff. Not that I've heard them in a year at least.

Venedae - Ah, there's another name I haven't heard in fucking ages. Cool NWOBHM-influenced BM, if my memory serves me correctly.
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Post by: kontinual on June 15, 2005, 12:16:39 PM
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Better than "Into the Autumn Shade"?


I have this feeling I have stated this here before, heh, but I personally think "No Longer Silent" is a little better.  It should be noted that the two albums are stylistically different, as much of the "death/doom" of the first disc doesn't shine through in the same way on the second.
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Post by: wEEman33 on June 20, 2005, 06:19:42 PM
Apparently, some guy suddenly sold a small portion of his metal collection, for as I walked into my favorite used record shop this afternoon I was overwhelmed by the quantity of quality metal releases that I found.

Here’s what I’ve already picked up as a result of extensive prior listening experience:

Vomit Remnants “Supreme Entity”
Mithras “Worlds Beyond the Veil”
Suidakra “Lays From Afar/Lupine Essence”

And here are the CDs that I carefully wrote down and chose to leave behind, because even with some general knowledge of these bands below, a limited amount of financial funds leaves me hesitant when purchasing records with which I have had zero prior listening experience. Unless otherwise noted, all these items are either priced at $5.99 or $6.99:

Star One “Space Metal: limited edition” ($9.99)
Spock’s Beard “Snow” ($9.99)
The Fucking Champs “V”
Ensiferum “Ensiferum,” “Iron”
Deeds of Flesh “Inbreeding the Anthropophagi”
Axis of Advance “Strike”
Falconer “Falconer”
Bathory “Nordland I” ($9.99)
Neuraxis “Imagery,” “Truth Beyond,” “A Passage into Forlorn”
Vomit Remnants “Indefensible Vehemence”
Forest of Impaled “Mortis Dei,” “Forward the Spears”
Darkthrone “Panzerfaust”
Fate of Icarus “Cut Your Throat Before They Do”
Lord Belial “Angelgrinder”
Mortuary (Mex) “Blackened Images”
Severed Savior “Forced to Bleed”

Right now I am leaning towards taking the following titles to my home when I leave the store tomorrow, but any opinions written here and elsewhere will be carefully evaluated and properly weighted when it comes time to make said purchase:

Deeds of Flesh “Inbreeding the Anthropophagi”
Star One “Space Metal: limited edition”
Ensiferum “Ensiferum”
Darkthrone “Panzerfaust”

Please feel free to highlight any albums from my master list that should be considered essential, given their fleeting availability and impressively low price. Thanks in advance.

And now I’m off to go read some more reviews while continuing my current frenzy of P2P downloading on Soulseek. Cheers.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on June 21, 2005, 12:57:00 AM
The Mortuary is the best there.
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Post by: FIAT on June 21, 2005, 07:44:24 AM
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The Mortuary is the best there.


I agree. If you like either Sepultura or Massacra you must get that one, as it's almost like a hybrid of the two.
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Post by: Fieldmouse on June 23, 2005, 01:46:37 AM
perhaps we should start an international network of secondhand cd buying and mailing to each other.

i can offer Deteriorate's "The Senectuous Entrance" from my local... it's going for AUD$15 plus my postage costs... which i've realised will probably mean only serious fans will be interested as cds in australia are comparatively expensive.

Anybody?
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Post by: TC on June 23, 2005, 03:11:01 AM
hey, anyone that buys the new Harkonin CD gets a free padded envelope.... ;)
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Post by: death metal black metal on June 23, 2005, 01:09:56 PM
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Deeds of Flesh “Inbreeding the Anthropophagi”
Forest of Impaled “Mortis Dei,”
Darkthrone “Panzerfaust”
Mortuary (Mex) “Blackened Images”


I'd get these. The Mortuary has been posted here before.

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Post by: death metal black metal on June 23, 2005, 01:11:36 PM
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perhaps we should start an international network of secondhand cd buying and mailing to each other.


A few thoughts:

1) I wanted to start a metal collective for this reason. No metalheads could get their shit together - big surprise.

2) Sharing the MP3s is a good start. The hub is the best place, as it's not just a metal fetus central; there's classical, ambient, folk etc.

3) Nothing wrong with CD trading.

4) Also remember to send any rare, OOP recordings in dub form to:

http://www.hessian.org/sites/gaychristrecords

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Post by: baxter on June 23, 2005, 05:51:01 PM
fieldmouse, i'd be interested in that cd, but i can't afford it now. would you hold it for me?
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Post by: kontinual on June 24, 2005, 02:04:00 AM
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4) Also remember to send any rare, OOP recordings in dub form to:

http://www.hessian.org/sites/gaychristrecords



Just want to reiterate that I am still trading for anyone interested.
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Post by: Fieldmouse on June 24, 2005, 06:39:35 AM
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fieldmouse, i'd be interested in that cd, but i can't afford it now. would you hold it for me?


it's sitting in a secondhand cd store near to where i live. if you'll buy it. i'll buy it.

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Post by: wEEman33 on June 27, 2005, 05:31:26 AM
Can anyone offer an opinion on the best material from the progressive thrash band Mekong Delta?

Also, what's the general consensus on Pestilence's "Malleus Maleficarum." Basically, is it worth paying attention to in light of their later, more interesting releases?
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on June 27, 2005, 10:54:52 AM
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Also, what's the general consensus on Pestilence's "Malleus Maleficarum." Basically, is it worth paying attention to in light of their later, more interesting releases?


It's a more primitive, thrashy effort. If you like that sort of thing, this is a strong example of it.
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Post by: Kaliphobic Psychoblack on June 27, 2005, 12:43:56 PM
Absu

(Opinions, and to those into them, which albums to start with?)
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Post by: emanon on June 27, 2005, 10:16:08 PM
Ulver; I disregarded this band after hearing Nattens Madrigal quite a while ago, and have recently seem them fellated as THE best band around. Anyone here got anything to say about them?
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Post by: DN on June 28, 2005, 04:13:50 AM
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Absu

(Opinions, and to those into them, which albums to start with?)

Thrashy black metal with some (occasionally annoying) folk aspects.

Overall, I enjoy Absu.  I'd recommend The Sun Of Tiphareth to start, followed by Tara.
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Post by: Big Cock Beelzebub on June 28, 2005, 05:21:58 AM
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Ulver; I disregarded this band after hearing Nattens Madrigal quite a while ago, and have recently seem them fellated as THE best band around. Anyone here got anything to say about them?


Certainly overrated and not particularly worthwhile, though not as horrible as, say, Arcturus.
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Post by: death metal black metal on June 28, 2005, 04:32:45 PM
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Ulver; I disregarded this band after hearing Nattens Madrigal quite a while ago, and have recently seem them fellated as THE best band around. Anyone here got anything to say about them?



"Fake black metal, but good rock music"
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Post by: Fieldmouse on June 29, 2005, 03:27:13 PM
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"Fake black metal, but good rock music"



how about the folk stuff?
actually how about folk generally? i want to find more folk.
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Post by: Profanation on June 30, 2005, 11:03:35 AM
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Septic Flesh
Thou Art Lord


Anyone?
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Post by: ice-t on June 30, 2005, 12:21:18 PM
Early Septic Flesh are basically slightly doomy "melodic" death metal. Heavy metal-styled guitars and incidental keyboards are thrown about quite liberally. Borders on maudlin, surprisingly listenable, not essential by any stretch.
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Post by: kontinual on June 30, 2005, 05:06:50 PM
THOU ART LORD are very run-of-the-mill Greek style (with NECROMANTIA and ROTTING CHRIST members, no less), the first album being better than the second. I've no idea about the newer discs.  
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Post by: nordicjew on July 01, 2005, 05:45:24 PM
kreator-pleasure to kill
leukorrhea-breeding salvation
disgorge
fecal corpse
slaughter house
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: ray ban on July 02, 2005, 05:07:39 AM
Judas Priest - Painkiller
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Post by: FIAT on July 02, 2005, 10:02:13 AM
"Please To Kill" is Kreator's best album, so if you have any interest in the band, direct it towards this one, on which you'll find the solid hybrid of speed and death metal which was emerging at this time.

"Painkiller" is essentially Priest playing European-styled speed metal, while still retaining all the clichéd silliness you'd expect from heavy metal. Still, it's one of their better albums, even if irrelevant to metal by the time of its release.
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Post by: jimmy on July 02, 2005, 12:32:35 PM
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Absu

(Opinions, and to those into them, which albums to start with?)


I really like Absu. I'd say get Tara first, then if you like that get The Sun of Tiphareth, then if you're still hungry get The Third Storm of Cythraul. Those three albums are probably the only ones worth tracking down.  
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Cynical on July 02, 2005, 03:43:51 PM
How are Dismember's demos?  All I've heard is LAEFS, but the demos have been compiled onto a CD, which has me sort of interested...
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Post by: neoclassical on July 02, 2005, 09:04:22 PM
I've read some fanatic reviews about Therion's Lemuria, did anybody bother to listen to it?
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Post by: kontinual on July 05, 2005, 05:31:17 PM
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How are Dismember's demos?  All I've heard is LAEFS, but the demos have been compiled onto a CD, which has me sort of interested...



http://www.hessian.org/sites/gaychristrecords/
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: Kaliphobic Psychoblack on July 07, 2005, 11:20:00 PM
I seek opinions on other early Finnish black metal bands besides Beherit and Impaled Nazarene. How is Archgoat, Black Crucifixion, or other bands I haven't seen mentioned? I have only heard Beherit and IN, and I'd like to know if anything else is good.
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Post by: adioshombre on July 08, 2005, 09:07:37 AM
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Impaled Nazarene
Archgoat
Black Crucifixion
Countess
Barathrum


Forgettable.

The best Finnish metal got was the first albums from Amorphis, Demigod, Adramelech and second album from Sentenced. The rest is shit, except Beherit, which is really death metal if you ask me!
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: adioshombre on July 08, 2005, 09:08:49 AM
Every metal board has a thread like this, and they're for wankers.
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Post by: Cynical on July 08, 2005, 09:33:37 AM
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http://www.hessian.org/sites/gaychristrecords/


Is the letter afterwards a rating or "grade" for the demo?
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Post by: kontinual on July 08, 2005, 11:34:20 AM
A loose grading for sound quality.

I was pointing to it in case you would like to hear comparable recordings without having to pay, which of course is somewhat moot now that anyone can copy the "official" release.  
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Post by: kontinual on July 08, 2005, 11:35:43 AM
COUNTESS is Dutch.
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Post by: Mpastardos on March 09, 2011, 05:42:54 AM
Hails to all! Check out a new effort for Black Metal
www.orthodoxblackmetal.co.cc
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Post by: Vesupria on March 10, 2011, 12:08:28 AM

The best Finnish metal got was the first albums from Amorphis, Demigod, Adramelech and second album from Sentenced. The rest is shit, except Beherit, which is really death metal if you ask me!

I don't really like Adramelech, except for perhaps the first album. The newer stuff sounds too 'mechanical' and 'inorganic' to my ears. I think this has as much to do with the composition as the production, but I could be wrong.

I highly recommend Rippikoulu. Probably an ample recommendation with people "raving" about the new Blaspherian.
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Post by: Reginald Gillette on November 28, 2012, 08:02:10 AM
Incantation "Vanquish in Vengeance" -- have any of you had the chance to meditate on this?  How would you rate it on a scale where "Onward to Golgotha" is 10?
Title: Re: Seeking opinions?
Post by: jcpcc14 on November 28, 2012, 08:49:57 AM
Comparison to Onward To Golgotha is just downright unfair. But it's not really far from Diabolical Conquest...aka a fun listen at times but nothing more really.
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Post by: Humanicide on December 02, 2012, 11:12:46 PM
Comparison to Onward To Golgotha is just downright unfair. But it's not really far from Diabolical Conquest...aka a fun listen at times but nothing more really.

Putting Diabolical Conquest down to that level is also unfair. It's a stellar album - an A if OTG is an A+ (which it is, duh).

I'll have to hear this new Incantation album, I didn't even know they were putting one out. That "Scapegoat" EP they put out in 2010 was pretty good, here's hoping this new one has some of that same 'oomph'.
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Post by: death metal black metal on July 20, 2015, 04:58:12 AM
Putting Diabolical Conquest down to that level is also unfair. It's a stellar album - an A if OTG is an A+ (which it is, duh).

The Incantation I listen to: first, third, and EP. Occasional live recordings from this era.

The real story here is that the second album faltered.