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Title: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Nightspirit on August 08, 2010, 11:14:33 AM
I've noticed that my musical preference has changed quite radically throughout the years of listening to metal. With this, I've changed my mind about a certain number of bands, in that I now like and dislike certain bands that I once held the opposite views of. As an example, SOME of these bands include:

Bands that I didn't like but now love:
Obituary
Black Sabbath
Mid-Career Mayhem (DMDS)
Coroner
Old Krisiun
Morpheus Descends
Nuclear Assault
Judas Priest
Exodus
Sidenote: I've always liked Burzum, but nowadays I have a much greater appreciation for the works.

Bands that I used to love but now can't really stomach:
Early Mayhem
Krieg
Vlad Tepes
Von
Profanatica
Havohej
Judas Iscariot
Drudkh

People change every seven years apparently, so maybe your musical taste in metal might change alongside this audio-metamorphosis. Maybe it's that people get bored hearing the same old shit after a while, and need something that moves and exists outside the framework of the standard.

Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: istaros on August 08, 2010, 12:19:10 PM
Asphyx and Incantation, for me. Both The Rack and Onward to Golgotha came across as decent, but generic and otherwise unremarkable, when I first heard them. After a few months I gave them another shot and now I see their greatness. Ildjarn too, should be an obvious one... did anyone like his music instantly(referring to the metal stuff of course)?

As for bands I used to love but now don't... That list would be enormous.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Devamitra on August 08, 2010, 02:32:08 PM
Ildjarn too, should be an obvious one... did anyone like his music instantly(referring to the metal stuff of course)?

I definitely did enjoy "Forest Poetry" right away, having purchased it in the 90's on a Summoning member's recommendation.

I've hardly experienced any radical mind shifts, but I used to be somewhat frigid (despite liking a song here and there) towards Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Manilla Road and Fates Warning whereas now they make my top lists.

In '96-'98 bands such as Dissection, Tiamat, Therion, Cradle of Filth and Satyricon got heavy rotation and I wouldn't say I have turned against those best albums by them, but they certainly don't ignite excitement or passion anymore.

I used to like Nargaroth and Velvet Cacoon before I learnt about the scenester bullshit these people are involved in. I still can see what I liked in their music, but they're not good enough to warrant any interest in such cheap, commercial scams.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: MidnightStrength on August 08, 2010, 08:24:59 PM
It's interesting I guess to reflect on things that took some digestion and time to absorb before I could come to understand and appreciate the work more, and for things that seemed really cool and sparked my interest at first but later grew to bore the tears out of me.

Bands/albums I didn't like/hated that I now love:
-Gorguts "Obscura" (really, it took about 10 listens and THEN some time not trying to listen to it before it clicked)
-Deicide
-Dismember
-Autopsy "Acts of the Unspeakable"
-Deeds of Flesh
-Bolt Thrower (never disliked them, just thought anything past "In Battle..." was boring before relistening to Warmaster and a few others)

Bands/albums I liked/loved that I have since let go of or cannot stand:
-Majority of later OR non-Norwegian black metal (I'm thinking bands like Behexen, Sargeist, Drudkh, Destroyer 666 (exception perhaps of Unchain the Wolves), much of Angantyr, Peste Noire...)
-Cancer
-most grindcore
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Humanicide on August 08, 2010, 08:56:40 PM
Dead Infection - used to think they were annoying but I found the only record I heard and didn't enjoy was "Surgical Disembowelment"
Destruction - thought they were boring until I re-listened 5 years after I originally had
Primordial - debut sucked (thats what I heard first), but I've liked everything else so far
Conqueror - sounded like pure noise the first time
Blasphemy - same as above
Graveland - didn't like "Thousand Swords" production, but I listened to more of his catalog and now I highly enjoy most of their work. I still think the guitar tone should be a bit stronger on TS though
Ungod - bored me at first listen, but it took a while to sink in

I dont even want to think about bands I used to like and dont anymore. I cant type all of that out.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: istaros on August 08, 2010, 11:01:00 PM
I definitely did enjoy "Forest Poetry" right away, having purchased it in the 90's on a Summoning member's recommendation.
Haha, that's pretty interesting. That a Summoning member would suggest music so diametrically opposed in its aesthetics to his own. In my experience, many fans of either band have little appreciation for the other. Further evidence of metal's substance having a common thread even among styles that appear different on the surface, perhaps?
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Devamitra on August 08, 2010, 11:26:06 PM
I definitely did enjoy "Forest Poetry" right away, having purchased it in the 90's on a Summoning member's recommendation.
Further evidence of metal's substance having a common thread even among styles that appear different on the surface, perhaps?

True. Yet, it's not such a stretch if you remember Summoning's demos and the debut, which leads us to another interesting point - the progression from "Beheritian" sounds to a more gothic (in the proper sense) one was very elegant and natural, incorporating elements from previous work but shifting the emphasis. One can say this about Graveland as well. So either (a) a good musician can recognize and use the strengths of each substyle alike, or (b) the discipline, subtlety and raw power utilized in creating effective primal/barbaric black metal is invaluable also for the later epic/symphonic grandeur, which gets botched by musicians such as Therion who think more heavy metal.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: smellkellhell on August 09, 2010, 12:08:53 AM
The song Dreamer by Super Trooper
As a kid I thought it was kiddy crap, then one day I got high and listened to it

Talking METAL...
Cannibal Corpse and most brutal bands were really difficult for me to grasp the melody and rhythm when I first started listening to metal.
I only knew about Metallica for many years.
Once I picked up a guitar around age 22, I started getting into the heavy stuff.
Now 25, I enjoy the rhythms most I guess.

Morbid Angel's Formulas Fatal To The Flesh as become my most pleasurable lullaby,
someday, it may take many years... I will play guitar just like that.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Transilvania on August 09, 2010, 04:55:11 AM
For me, I used to hate these:

-Eucharist "A Velvet Creation" I used to feel it was very boxy for some reason. Now I love them.
-Creepmime used to bore me to tears.
-Deicide's early material. I found it really stupid, until I realized that it was sort of supposed to be like that.
-Deceased. Thought sometimes the songs could get to long on their 2nd and 3rd albums, but I've found from what I've heard now to be very cool.
-Old Gorefest. Used to think of their music as "fat" for some reason. Ended up loving them now.
-Bolt Thrower. I really don't understand now why I didn't like them, they rip. Maybe it felt too chunky earlier.
-Grave. I know some don't like them here, but I find them great now when in the past I hated them.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Cenotaph on August 09, 2010, 04:15:36 PM
i would say

-Grave
-Asphyx
-Athiest
- Therion (new Therion still sucks in my opinion)
-St. Vitus
- Gehenna
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Wolfgang on September 10, 2010, 02:35:15 AM
Bands I now love that I formerly did not

Judas Priest
Motorhead
Suffocation(at least Effigy)
Dissection
Heaven and Hell era Sabbath

Use to love but not so much now

Sodom
Iron Maiden



Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: hæthen on September 10, 2010, 10:09:31 PM
Perhaps what should be further noted is not the bands that are now disliked, but the bands that survived this "transitory period" of deciding worth.  Surely the classics will always sustain, and this is what should be acknowledged, why these bands still have inherent value and continuous playability.

My listen would go as follows:

"Bands that I used to love but now can't really stomach:"
90% of the entire metal genre


"Bands that I didn't like but now love:"
Classical music
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Everdarkgreen on September 11, 2010, 04:38:14 PM
"Bands that I didn't like but now love:"
Suffocation (esp. Effigy)
Mayhem
Dismember
Entombed
Darkthrone
Immolation
Incantation
Judas Priest
Profanatica
Sarcofago
Summoning
Cryptopsy
Ambient and Classical music

"Bands that I used to love but now can't really stomach:"
Too much to name
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Wolfgang on September 11, 2010, 05:25:46 PM
Perhaps what should be further noted is not the bands that are now disliked, but the bands that survived this "transitory period" of deciding worth.  Surely the classics will always sustain, and this is what should be acknowledged, why these bands still have inherent value and continuous playability.

My listen would go as follows:

"Bands that I used to love but now can't really stomach:"
90% of the entire metal genre


"Bands that I didn't like but now love:"
Classical music

So metal sucks and classical rules? What an insight.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Everdarkgreen on September 11, 2010, 07:33:44 PM
Well, if his post didn't have much information/insight, neither did yours. Especially having concluded that his opinion was that metal sucks. What about the obvious 10% of the entire metal genre which he didn't include? Perhaps his experiences weren't exactly original, but certainly reflective of what I think a lot of us went through as well.

However, I think you do you have a point in that the point of this thread is to give specific information and name the bands and I would gather that the people looking through each others' lists would be interested in the constants between their respective lists.

But alas, though I had a different journey with all of the bands I've liked/disliked in whatever order/succession and however frequently, the underlying theme here is that there is more than meets the eye and that in order to appreciate music you have to be open to give highly-regarded pieces of art/attitudes/behaviors a chance before you conclude with utmost certainty that they hold no value or interest to you. And sure, that may seem obvious, but how easy is it to forget that our perspectives are constantly changing in ever the slightest ways so as to allow you some leverage into being able to accept a new idea that you were once against?
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Blaphbee on September 14, 2010, 11:46:42 AM
God, i remember the hoopla surrounding velveeta caccoon; what a crock they were and later turned out to be. Thanks for the trip down memory lane, Devamitra.If i had to contribute to this list, i'd say that, even though i perform in a metal band, i've had enough of listening to metal. Having done so for 25 years now, i've heard pretty much everything metal will be able to throw my way. This isn't to say that i've given up on metal per se, i'm just exceptionally tepid on that subject now. Ah well. it had a good run.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Wolfgang on September 14, 2010, 12:06:19 PM
I'm sure others know this, but what band are you in?
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Blaphbee on September 15, 2010, 10:28:38 AM
nothing left for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: CultofnothinG on September 16, 2010, 05:22:32 AM
When I first heard Bring Me The Horizon I thought they were unmusical and chaotic. After seeing them live I suppose I understand the chaos a bit better and now I can't seem to stop listening to them.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: JSPAG on September 16, 2010, 05:36:07 PM
The only band I can honestly say I've taken another hard look (listen) at is Nile.....That is to say "OLD" Nile. Ergo "Amongst the Catacombs of Nephren-Ka" and "Black Seeds of Vengeance". Nile's recent albums are a major disappointment compared to there earlier works.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Wolfgang on September 16, 2010, 05:58:02 PM
You can stick them in the category of bands once cool that I look beyond for me.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Jim Necroslaughter on September 18, 2010, 11:42:42 PM
God, i remember the hoopla surrounding velveeta caccoon; what a crock they were and later turned out to be.

What's the story w/ Velvet Cacoon again?  If somebody wants to give a little overview of their rise and fall that would be great.  I know what broadly happened, but if somebody would recount some details, explain the ins and outs, and put it in context, I think that would be a fun story to read.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: hoodwink on September 19, 2010, 10:00:48 AM
Enslaved

at one point I considered this band to be the crowning achievement of metal.  since the release of Ruun, they've rocketed towards irrelevance.  The latest album Axioma Ethica Odini, which I'll admit I've only heard once, seems like an utter disaster.  I don't know if I'll bother playing it again, but it smacks to me of the kind of moron metal that all of the grunge proponents who never got over the demise of Alice in Chains and Soundgarden will embrace. Enslaved are more committed than ever to being a progressive band, and cloyingly they've got even more black metal-approved vocals in the mix, but lyrically and technically they're less adventurous than Meshuggah.  I can imagine a lot of kids in baseball caps lining up to wax rhapsodic about how "experimental" the record is -  they're no doubt the same people who think Ruun is superlative - and finding a space for the absurdly titled Axioma Ethica Odini amid their collection of Dillinger Escape Plan and Genghis Tron cds.  for me, Enslaved are dead and now worthy targets for all of the Chuck Schuldiner-type jokes people are fond of around here. 

Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Nightspirit on September 19, 2010, 04:49:11 PM
God, i remember the hoopla surrounding velveeta caccoon; what a crock they were and later turned out to be.

What's the story w/ Velvet Cacoon again?  If somebody wants to give a little overview of their rise and fall that would be great.  I know what broadly happened, but if somebody would recount some details, explain the ins and outs, and put it in context, I think that would be a fun story to read.

Nobody's ever going to know the full story except for Josh and a few friends from our favorite extreme underground kvltmetal website www.fmp666.com and their hooliganism.

Though, here's what I've gathered...

Before 2005, I didn't even know what a Hipster was; five years later they're everywhere. Some say it was Sunn O))), Xasthur and Wolves in the Throne Room, but it was really Velvet Cacoon that ushered in the elusive "Third Wave" of Black Metal, Post-Black Metal, or Black Metal fused with Post-Rock/ Shoegazing Indie. I think they missed the point of the use of ambiance in Black Metal, but regardless, Velvet Cacoon emerged with full support from Full Moon Productions, which prior to Velvet Cacoon's arrival, their website's forum was a serious battlefield in the semantic vying for true and kvlt-ness of the self and the band whom you sponsor (at a certain point, everyone could be located and contact via the fmp forums).

Velvet Cacoon stood apart from all other bands, producing a so-called sensational album, "Genevieve," which was an exercise in ultra minimalist Black Metal with a very rich and thick atmosphere that screamed Ildjarn and Burzum. It definitely had its moments, but I wouldn't be so sure as to call it the best thing since sliced bread. They were known as an Ecofascist band, and would profess a connection with ELF, or Earth Liberation Front, a sister-group of ALF, the animal liberation front. Instead of burning churches, they were imploring their fans to burn down building that harm the environment, and saw industrial-capitalism in-league, or at least within the same framework as that which Judeo-Christianity worked. Their song titles were tasteful, fusing a sense of delicacy with the occult. P.S. Nautical = Psychonautical (The Chaos Magic of Peter Carroll, drug trips and gnosis through euphoria). All of this somehow reverberated back to the common denominator that they were fusing spirituality with green anarchism.

Then came the Hipsters.

Whereas Black Metal was too challenging for the liberal to digest, Velvet Cacoon was not. They shared many of the radical viewpoints that the hipster scene had already previously held, but hipsters never actually act upon these things (that's what a liberal does, they talk about things but never act upon them- I like to call them armchair environmentalists).

Basically, everything about Velvet Cacoon somehow resonated within the soul of the Bachelor's degree level 20 something that retreats from their dorm room to a main street Ethiopian restaurant for a night of multiculturalism and wine sipping armchair green politics.

Sunn O))) Released "Black One" that year, which was welcomed by the hipster community, and also presented overt Black Metal elements, such a Malefic from Xasthur appearing and Wrest from Leviathan as guest vocalists.

Striborg got big out of nowhere. Wolves in The Throne Room saw a way into fame. Mastodon, The Sword, etc...  all of that bullshit.

Deathcore I guess was coming into formation, which I'm sure the hipsters were aware of, and being tired with their long-exhausted post-rock crap, they decided to usurp Black Metal in retaliation to the jocks learning what a blast-beat was and thinking that a breakdown would be a great followup to it.

From 2005-2008, I guess I can say that I got laid more often than not because of this, from some pretty hot hippie/hipster chicks, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they have no integrity at all.

Back to the story, Velvet Cacoon dropped the bombshell that their demos and full-on shoegazing/folk-rock/dreampop records were stolen from an already establish artist that nobody would ever find out about without them saying something about it. They also claimed that nothing was true concerning the ecofascism, green politics, and stories of ELF activity. They basically said that Genevieve was recorded in a very short period of time, maybe an afternoon if I'm correct (I can't remember really how it was phrased). The drug trips were legit though, and the artist Josh did say that the atmosphere evoked in the album was definitely something worthy of Black Metal merit.

Velvet Cacoon still did well, and got very famous. Some Black Metal bands would have never gotten that exposure and promotion without proper managing. People are still divided about the issue. Velvet Cacoon doesn't bother me personally, it's just not my favorite material out there. Their new band is called Clair Cassis, which is basically a continuation of what they were doing with VC, but with what they call a more "Smokey, Bassy Atmosphere." I think there's real drums in the band too instead of a drums machine... that's what I've heard anyway.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Humanicide on September 20, 2010, 08:39:24 AM
Also, VC stole material from another artist to record demos. Not just a few guitar parts or anything, try entire songs worth of material.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Danhole on September 29, 2010, 06:30:11 PM
Does anyone else find that quite often if they like a band straight away their quicker to tire of them but if their not certain about a band and try listening to them a few times they grow to love the band? It's almost as though if something is instantly gratifying it doesn't have a great deal of substance.

This isn't true all the time though, just quite often.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Veritas on September 30, 2010, 12:43:35 AM
Does anyone else find that quite often if they like a band straight away their quicker to tire of them but if their not certain about a band and try listening to them a few times they grow to love the band? It's almost as though if something is instantly gratifying it doesn't have a great deal of substance.

This isn't true all the time though, just quite often.

Honestly, not all that often, though it's happened a lot in the past (perhaps shifting where I got recommendations from made a lot of the difference). I find typically that the albums that I appreciate immediately on an aesthetic level are the same ones that I appreciate over a long time span. On the other hand, if by a "few times" you mean literally something like three listens... well, high quality albums are typically too dense or subtle to process fully the first time round.
Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Wolfgang on September 30, 2010, 04:29:01 AM
For me, the early listens are reflective of how they'll ultimately pan out. Not that I haven't been "fooled" before, but if it does what it's suppose to on first listen that is a good sign, as opposed to something where I have to sit and wonder "do I like this" "is this good" over and over.


Title: Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
Post by: Parasite on September 30, 2010, 04:03:54 PM
that reminds me of Averse Sefira, i can get through the first couple of tracks of Tetragrammatical Astygmata.. after that i lose interest.