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Title: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 05:30:02 PM
And why is it shit most of the time?

1. Why do we, as metalheads, hate -core music so much?

Is it because of the fans? Are they just annoying and we don't want to be associated with them, or is it REALLY about the music?

All of us will disregard a deathcore band just because of the genre. There seems to be a sort of "war" between "true" metalheads and people who like Deathcore. Though, it usually seems like the metalheads are the ones attacking the deathcore fans. Youtube videos, forums, Facebook, whatever. Metalheads are always attacking deathcore fans that did nothing to provoke it. They don't fight for their music as much as we fight for ours, so what's the point?

We are proud of our music, proud of heavy metal. Too proud. We go around, slamming anything that is -core without even listening to the music, even if it may be good. Metal gives us an empowering feeling that we feel we have to show off to everyone else, even if we make ourselves look like idiots. Do we care? Not at all. The general public think that spikes and vests are "SATANIC!", which they are not, so we are misunderstood and we are tired of it, yet still proud of our music, and attack other people who we don't give the chance to understand. We all listened to Korn at one point.

2. Why is it shit, most of the time?

But not always. There are some great -core bands I have come across. Most of them are either hardcore punk or early screamo music, though I've found some great Deathcore bands. Wait, I know why it sucks!

DROP Q: 0-0-0-000-0-0-0-000

Yep.

It sounds like monkeys wrote the songs. I like monkeys. If I had a monkey, I would teach it to count cards. Then, I would unleash it into a casino, and if somebody shouts "Hey! Who's monkey is that?!" I would say "That's not my monkey."

Then, when they look at it's collar, and find my name on it, I would run out of the casino. I would go to my camel which I would've had valet parked. I wouldn't pay the valet guyu because technically he did not parked my car, he only parked my camel. I love my camel. I drive it to work in the mornings. Since parking is very limited, I take it up to the office with me on most days. Usually I take it up the stairs but if I forgot to feed it last month I take it up with me in the elevator.

Since I have a cubicle, it's a tight fit, especially when it has to take poops. One time, I was at work playing pokemon on my computer, and since I gave the Camel my left-over Volcano Tacos from Taco Bell the last night, it took a massive diarrhea right on my keyboard. My keyboard still works, though sometimes when I press down a key it stays stuck, an sometimes I pull out bits of taco shell from it.

Since then, I always face my camel's rear end towards the door, so that way I can play pokemon without the smell and also greet my boss by telling him psychologically that I'm doing work instead of cleaning camel shit off of my keyboard. At the end of the day, I leave without telling the janitor about the mound of shit at the entrance to my cubicle. I'm sure he'll have no trouble finding it. He always tells me to get rid of the camel. I always ask him why, but he just starts yelling at me. The other employees don't like him either, which makes me said because he is such a great companion.

We often hang out of the weekends, going to pubs, but sometimes just sharing a bottle of champagne at the house. I once tried to get a girlfriend, but she ran off when I brought her home and she saw a camel in my kitchen, drinking champagne. I can understand why she may have been frightened, because it's not everyday that you see a camel inside of an apartment complex, but since I have recently painted flames on the side of my minivan I would expect any girl to want to stay with me. I guess there just isn't enough flames to counterbalance living with a camel.

I really should get another pet. I recently bought a dog, and it turns out she was pregnant! It had 10 little puppies, and they all run around the apartment complex. The staff said I need to get rid of them, but the dogs are just so cute that I think I'll keep them. When the dogs are older, I will enter them in a dogsled race across Africa. To prepare for this, I have started training them at a young age. I chase them around the apartment, clashing together pots and pans to scare them, and that builds up leg muscle and they learn to outgrow fear. My entire floor has been sending me e-mails as of late about "noise" complaints, and even though I was confused about it, I have taken egg cartons and cemented them all around the walls of my apartment. That way, at least 40% of the sound will get blocked out.

I am so confident about winning the sled dog race, that I have sold all of my furniture so that I can have more practice space. With the money I win from the sled race, I will buy new furniture. I have never seen wiener dogs in an alaskan sled race before, but because of the early-on master training I am letting them have the opportunity to endure, I think my chances are at a solid 110%.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 05:43:39 PM
Hey now, not every deathcore band plays in Drop Q. Most of the good bands like Bring me the Horizon play in Drop A#. Which is super fucking heavy. But not as heavy as Nickelback. Chad Kroeger is the true god of Metal. It would be awesome if Nickelback recorded an album in Drop Q though. I would just sit in my room all day listening to it while playing Uno on Xbox Live all day and eating sushi
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 05:51:45 PM
Once I tuned my guitar to Drop T, but the strings were touching the ground and impossible to play, making the feedback sound like an ear-shattering car brake system at full force inside of a parking garage.

My camel is now deaf.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Cargést on August 17, 2010, 05:56:19 PM
Once I tuned my guitar to Drop T, but the strings were touching the ground and impossible to play, making the feedback sound like an ear-shattering car brake system at full force inside of a parking garage.

And thus, Sunn0))) was born.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 05:58:38 PM
And then, my fridge broke down and started making weird noises.

Coincidence?
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 06:01:47 PM
I once replaced my guitar strings with Fiber optic cables so that i while i was playing super shred songs like "lollipop" the guitar strings would light up and shit
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 06:03:49 PM
I once replaced my guitar strings with Fiber optic cables so that i while i was playing super shred songs like "lollipop" the guitar strings would light up and shit

Good idea, I might try that someday once I get passed notes and make my way up to the skill of Nickelback, ie power chords.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 06:05:38 PM
Just wait until Barre chords, youll shit brix, they are extremely technical
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 06:08:27 PM
The only thing that I consider "technical" is shredding on two notes.

Other than that it's overly complicated for no reason and it doesn't really look good when playing it. What's the point of playing music if you won't look good?
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 06:12:04 PM
I know, that's why i shop at Hot Topic every week and keep my hair at a medium length while getting it styled every few weeks and wearing plenty of makeup whenever I'm on stage
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 06:16:27 PM
Too much makeup is never good, though.

I was at a hot topic one day and I came across a shirt from some band called "Immortal." They looked like total clowns! I instantly thought of Kiss. If Gene Simmons were smart he would sue them for copyright infringement, and then he can make a fortune from them.

Since Gene Simmons is the originator of the white facepaint, because he dressed like an alien on stage, he should own the rights to any band that does it after he did.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Crabscore on August 17, 2010, 06:17:43 PM
I just listened to like 5 seconds of that band and it was so terrible...
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 06:18:47 PM
If you think Immortal looks bad, just google Burzum. The guy looks like a total idiot and he burns churches down! What a disgrace to "Metal"
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 06:19:50 PM
I've never listened to them, but here is one of their videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igt-jW4e8ts

wtf? Well they look different here but I didn't know they were Arabs?
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Crabscore on August 17, 2010, 06:20:16 PM
It's people like that which piss me off.  They don't care about their appearance at all, and instead of focusing on the music they just go out and break laws to be "cool."
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 06:20:49 PM
If you think Immortal looks bad, just google Burzum. The guy looks like a total idiot and he burns churches down! What a disgrace to "Metal"

What a faggot. Why would you burn down buildings that belong to an organization that has done so much for the world? Is he an Arab too?
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 06:23:08 PM
Apparentl Keanu Reeves is in "Immortal"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEubt6HpGhs
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 06:27:03 PM
Why?

He looks great already, but come on why the heck* would he want to ruin his image completely with all that political bullshit while wearing clown makeup?

*I use heck, because the place that shall not be spoken of is offensive to me, as a devout Christian.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 06:31:31 PM
As an enlightened, modern parent, I try to be as involved as possible in the lives of my six children. I encourage them to join team sports. I attend their teen parties with them to ensure no drinking or alcohol is on the premises. I keep a fatherly  eye on the CDs they listen to and the shows they watch, the company they keep and the books they read. You could say I'm a model parent. My children have never failed to make me proud, and I can say without the slightest embellishment that I have the finest family in the USA.

Two years ago, my wife Carol and I decided that our children's education would not be complete without some grounding in modern computers. To this end, we bought our children a brand new Compaq to learn with. The kids had a lot of fun using the handful of application programs we'd bought, such as Adobe's Photoshop and Microsoft's Word, and my wife and I were pleased that our gift was received so well. Our son Peter was most entranced by the device, and became quite a pro at surfing the net. When Peter began to spend whole days on the machine, I became concerned, but Carol advised me to calm down, and that it was only a passing phase. I was content to bow to her experience as a mother, until our youngest daughter, Cindy, charged into the living room one night to blurt out: "Peter is a computer hacker!"

As you can imagine, I was amazed. A computer hacker in my own house! I began to monitor my son's habits, to make certain that Cindy wasn't just telling stories, as she is prone to doing at times.

After a few days of investigation, and some research into computer hacking, I confronted Peter with the evidence. I'm afraid to say, this was the only time I have ever been truly disappointed in one of my children. We raised them to be honest and to have integrity, and Peter betrayed the principles we tried to encourage in him, when he refused point blank to admit to his activities. His denials continued for hours, and in the end, I was left with no choice but to ban him from using the computer until he is old enough to be responsible for his actions.

After going through this ordeal with my own family, I was left pondering how I could best help others in similar situations. I'd gained a lot of knowledge over those few days regarding hackers. It's only right that I provide that information to other parents, in the hope that they will be able to tell if their children are being drawn into the world of hacking. Perhaps other parents will be able to steer their sons back onto the straight and narrow before extreme measures need to be employed.

To this end, I have decided to publish the top ten signs that your son is a hacker. I advise any parents to read this list carefully and if their son matches the profile, they should take action. A smart parent will first try to reason with their son, before resorting to groundings, or even spanking. I pride myself that I have never had to spank a child, and I hope this guide will help other parents to put a halt to their son's misbehaviour before a spanking becomes necessary.

1. Has your son asked you to change ISPs?

Most American families use trusted and responsible Internet Service Providers, such as AOL. These providers have a strict "No Hacking" policy, and take careful measures to ensure that your internet experience is enjoyable, educational and above all legal. If your child is becoming a hacker, one of his first steps will be to request a change to a more hacker friendly provider.

I would advise all parents to refuse this request. One of the reasons your son is interested in switching providers is to get away from AOL's child safety filter. This filter is vital to any parent who wants his son to enjoy the internet without the endangering him through exposure to "adult" content. It is best to stick with the protection AOL provides, rather than using a home-based solution. If your son is becoming a hacker, he will be able to circumvent any home-based measures with surprising ease, using information gleaned from various hacker sites.

2. Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing?

Your son will probably try to install some hacker software. He may attempt to conceal the presence of the software in some way, but you can usually find any new programs by reading through the programs listed under "Install/Remove Programs" in your control panel. Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash".

The best option is to confront your son with the evidence, and force him to remove the offending programs. He will probably try to install the software again, but you will be able to tell that this is happening, if your machine offers to "download" one of the hacker applications. If this happens, it is time to give your son a stern talking to, and possibly consider punishing him with a grounding.

3. Has your child asked for new hardware?

Computer hackers are often limited by conventional computer hardware. They may request "faster" video cards, and larger hard drives, or even more memory. If your son starts requesting these devices, it is possible that he has a legitimate need. You can best ensure that you are buying legal, trustworthy hardware by only buying replacement parts from your computer's manufacturer.

If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.

4. Does your child read hacking manuals?

If you pay close attention to your son's reading habits, as I do, you will be able to determine a great deal about his opinions and hobbies. Children are at their most impressionable in the teenage years. Any father who has had a seventeen year old daughter attempt to sneak out on a date wearing make up and perfume is well aware of the effect that improper influences can have on inexperienced minds.

There are, unfortunately, many hacking manuals available in bookshops today. A few titles to be on the lookout for are: "Snow Crash" and "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson; "Neuromancer" by William Gibson; "Programming with Perl" by Timothy O'Reilly; "Geeks" by Jon Katz; "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling; "Microserfs" by Douglas Coupland; "Hackers" by Steven Levy; and "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond.

If you find any of these hacking manuals in your child's possession, confiscate them immediately. You should also petition local booksellers to remove these titles from their shelves. You may meet with some resistance at first, but even booksellers have to bow to community pressure.

5. How much time does your child spend using the computer each day?

If your son spends more than thirty minutes each day on the computer, he may be using it to DOS other peoples sites. DOSing involves gaining access to the "command prompt" on other people's machines, and using it to tie up vital internet services. This can take up to eight hours. If your son is doing this, he is breaking the law, and you should stop him immediately. The safest policy is to limit your children's access to the computer to a maximum of forty-five minutes each day.

6. Does your son use Quake?

Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers. It is a popular meeting place and training ground, where they discuss hacking and train in the use of various firearms. Many hackers develop anti-social tendencies due to the use of this virtual world, and it may cause erratic behaviour at home and at school.

If your son is using Quake, you should make hime understand that this is not acceptable to you. You should ensure all the firearms in your house are carefully locked away, and have trigger locks installed. You should also bring your concerns to the attention of his school.

7. Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour?

As a child enters the electronic world of hacking, he may become disaffected with the real world. He may lose the ability to control his actions, or judge the rightness or wrongness of a course of behaviour. This will manifest itself soonest in the way he treats others. Those whom he disagrees with will be met with scorn, bitterness, and even foul language. He may utter threats of violence of a real or electronic nature.

Even when confronted, your son will probably find it difficult to talk about this problem to you. He will probably claim that there is no problem, and that you are imagining things. He may tell you that it is you who has the problem, and you should "back off" and "stop smothering him." Do not allow yourself to be deceived. You are the only chance your son has, even if he doesn't understand the situation he is in. Keep trying to get through to him, no matter how much he retreats into himself.

8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"?

BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.

Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.

If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.

9. Has your son radically changed his appearance?

If your son has undergone a sudden change in his style of dress, you may have a hacker on your hands. Hackers tend to dress in bright, day-glo colors. They may wear baggy pants, bright colored shirts and spiky hair dyed in bright colors to match their clothes. They may take to carrying "glow-sticks" and some wear pacifiers around their necks. (I have no idea why they do this) There are many such hackers in schools today, and your son may have started to associate with them. If you notice that your son's group of friends includes people dressed like this, it is time to think about a severe curfew, to protect him from dangerous influences.

10. Is your son struggling academically?

If your son is failing courses in school, or performing poorly on sports teams, he may be involved in a hacking group, such as the infamous "Otaku" hacker association. Excessive time spent on the computer, communicating with his fellow hackers may cause temporary damage to the eyes and brain, from the electromagnetic radiation. This will cause his marks to slip dramatically, particularly in difficult subjects such as Math, and Chemistry. In extreme cases, over-exposure to computer radiation can cause schizophrenia, meningitis and other psychological diseases. Also, the reduction in exercise may cause him to lose muscle mass, and even to start gaining weight. For the sake of your child's mental and physical health, you must put a stop to his hacking, and limit his computer time drastically.

I encourage all parents to read through this guide carefully. Your child's future may depend upon it. Hacking is an illegal and dangerous activity, that may land your child in prison, and tear your family apart. It cannot be taken too seriously.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 06:37:02 PM
^I found that very interesting and informative.

Once I paint more flames onto my minivan, then I'll have a child and raise it using those standards.

Very good parents, right up into the stuff their kids are doing and making sure they stay out of trouble and go to church every day.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 06:43:29 PM
Be especially careful with AMD, i heard they preload viruses into the hardware and you may have to get your Hard Drive Defragmented which costs 100's of dollars from Geek Squad
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 06:47:23 PM
Don't worry about it, I've banned my kids from the internet because I hear that watching videos on Youtube can give you a virus. I also have 5 different virus protection software programs.

Somehow my kids still get on though, but I've taked careful measure to delete every icon on the desktop in case someone hacked my computer and switched the internet with something else.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 06:55:27 PM
If you download the program Chrome, you should be able to surf the web without getting viruses. You could also install WebMarshall which blocks all those pesky web sites that contain gaming, pornography, and vulgar language
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 06:58:05 PM
Thanks for the tips, but my camel and I both agree that it would be safer to just ban them from the internet all together.

I mean, they hardly have time for it anyways inbetween going to church twice a day and reciting bible passages.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 07:03:19 PM
Have you ever heard of the Westboro Baptist Church? They are a great organization based in Kansas and they organize protests to express their beliefs. They also let Camels come to the protests
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 07:06:11 PM
No, but they sound like a good organization because they are a church.

Usually I try to follow this website:

http://jesus-is-savior.com/

The amount of scientific facts and debunking of so-called "science" is wonderful. In fact, I copy and pasted many articles in there and passes them out to my kids for their mandatory nightly reading.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 07:09:59 PM
That site looks totally legit with all the flashy colors and Clipart from Microsoft Word. I will definitely spend the whole day tomorrow at Starbucks reading the articles on my new Macbook Pro
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 07:15:57 PM
I wouldn't go to Starbucks as they aren't run by an actively christian owner.

I would suggest going to your local church and doing the same!
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 07:19:43 PM
Do they have Wi-fi?
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 07:21:16 PM
No, but you can bring your telephone box with you and plug in via the telephone chord.

I'm not sure if this works 100%, but if you're connected directly to the internet it must be a lot faster than wi-fi.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 07:25:09 PM
Will I need any Vacuum tubes for this? Im sure i could pull 8 or 9 of them out of my Line 6 Spyder Amp
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 17, 2010, 07:28:47 PM
Yeah bring those, they can't hurt.

Also bring a big screen TV because the sunday school needs something to watch Christian bible movies on.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Humanicide on August 17, 2010, 07:32:37 PM
Ridiculous. Both of you.

Still, I laughed.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 17, 2010, 07:36:54 PM
Macbooks, Sunday School, Big Screen TV's, this sounds like so much fun! Ill drive my Prius too so that all the other parents see that driving Hybrids is an easy way to protect our environment from Manbearpig and 2012
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Caffeine on August 17, 2010, 07:44:25 PM
Ridiculous. Both of you.

Still, I laughed.

Yeah, i snickered as well....especially the "macbook" comment.  apple is gay, linux is the new anti-microsoft cool....
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Night of the Demon on August 18, 2010, 12:07:18 AM
I dislike "-core" music because most of it is very dry with no other redeeming values except some technicality.  They also do not match their lyrical themes with the music; you cannot tell a love song from a hate song without reading the lyrics, and that's how you know aesthetics are lacking.  I also find fry screams grating, and even more so those whiny clean vocals.  The music fails at being heavy, because it is over-processed and as light as pop punk with screaming.  Put some testosterone in the guitar, will you?  Or if you must, some estrogen...I don't care, put something in it to make it less dry and at least interesting and provoking.

As for the scene, much of it is a joke.  These bands usually have no understanding or respect for their ancestors, and most fans aren't better.  This music is not for me.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Humanicide on August 18, 2010, 08:50:31 AM
I dislike "-core" music because most of it is very dry with no other redeeming values except some technicality.  They also do not match their lyrical themes with the music; you cannot tell a love song from a hate song without reading the lyrics, and that's how you know aesthetics are lacking.  I also find fry screams grating, and even more so those whiny clean vocals.  The music fails at being heavy, because it is over-processed and as light as pop punk with screaming.  Put some testosterone in the guitar, will you?  Or if you must, some estrogen...I don't care, put something in it to make it less dry and at least interesting and provoking.

As for the scene, much of it is a joke.  These bands usually have no understanding or respect for their ancestors, and most fans aren't better.  This music is not for me.

Query - do you dislike grindcore or hardcore punk as well?

If you speak of this modern techcore/metalcore/whatevercore craze, I'm sure you'll find the entirety of the board in agreement with you.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Cargést on August 18, 2010, 08:56:22 AM
He'll find almost every single Metalhead will agree with him.  I know one guy who likes 'core, and that's simply because he "grew up with it".  He won't like it in two to three years' time (and nobody else will, either - such is the nature of a trend).
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Caffeine on August 18, 2010, 03:58:07 PM
I dislike "-core" music because most of it is very dry with no other redeeming values except some technicality.  They also do not match their lyrical themes with the music; you cannot tell a love song from a hate song without reading the lyrics, and that's how you know aesthetics are lacking.  I also find fry screams grating, and even more so those whiny clean vocals.  The music fails at being heavy, because it is over-processed and as light as pop punk with screaming.  Put some testosterone in the guitar, will you?  Or if you must, some estrogen...I don't care, put something in it to make it less dry and at least interesting and provoking.

As for the scene, much of it is a joke.  These bands usually have no understanding or respect for their ancestors, and most fans aren't better.  This music is not for me.

Query - do you dislike grindcore or hardcore punk as well?

If you speak of this modern techcore/metalcore/whatevercore craze, I'm sure you'll find the entirety of the board in agreement with you.

I like grindcore, but it depends on the band.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Night of the Demon on August 18, 2010, 04:39:31 PM
I dislike "-core" music because most of it is very dry with no other redeeming values except some technicality.  They also do not match their lyrical themes with the music; you cannot tell a love song from a hate song without reading the lyrics, and that's how you know aesthetics are lacking.  I also find fry screams grating, and even more so those whiny clean vocals.  The music fails at being heavy, because it is over-processed and as light as pop punk with screaming.  Put some testosterone in the guitar, will you?  Or if you must, some estrogen...I don't care, put something in it to make it less dry and at least interesting and provoking.

As for the scene, much of it is a joke.  These bands usually have no understanding or respect for their ancestors, and most fans aren't better.  This music is not for me.

Query - do you dislike grindcore or hardcore punk as well?

If you speak of this modern techcore/metalcore/whatevercore craze, I'm sure you'll find the entirety of the board in agreement with you.

I like some hardcore punk and grindcore, and when I criticized "-core" I meant genres like metalcore, deathcore, and mathcore.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Glenn Beck on August 19, 2010, 03:16:55 PM
So what happened to OP's Pokemon?
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 19, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
So what happened to OP's Pokemon?

Are you really Glenn Beck?

I listen to your radio show every day and agree with everything, though I do prefer Rush Limbaugh as he smokes cigars.

They are almost all level 99, so I'm going to start working on filling up the pokedex now.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Consvming Impvlse on August 22, 2010, 08:12:56 PM
We all listened to Korn at one point.

What? No. And what's with all the whiny (and brand new) people on this thread? I think we're being trolled, folks. 
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: BloodOnTheDAnceFloor69 on August 24, 2010, 11:30:21 AM
Im an oldfag ive been here all summer
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Master Cthulhu on August 24, 2010, 02:18:18 PM
D8

GUYS! HE'S FIGURED US OUT!

People here need to read the original post more often.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: zebra bodine on August 25, 2010, 10:24:08 AM
Coming from a metalhead and hardcore background, I can easily say most metalcore sucks, especially the further fusing of subgenres, like deathcore.  Bands like BMTH are abysmal where the entire emphasis is being loud, heavy, fast/slow/fast/slow, and fun, just like whatever pop rock garbage comes through the radio, just a more radical facade.  The worst part is (and I know people like this) these guys who think they're into "death metal" because they downloaded a few BMTH songs, while never even having heard of a Massacra or a Demilich or what have you, and also thinking that At the Gates' only album is Slaughter of the Soul.

However, Integrity, being the first metalcore band and, really, the only one who got it right, is worthy listening, notably "Seasons in the Size of Days", "Systems Overload", and "Humanity is the Devil".  They somehow managed to balance hardcore punk with extreme metal without the two losing their efficacy. 
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Nightspirit on August 25, 2010, 01:47:00 PM
Coming from a metalhead and hardcore background, I can easily say most metalcore sucks, especially the further fusing of subgenres, like deathcore.  Bands like BMTH are abysmal where the entire emphasis is being loud, heavy, fast/slow/fast/slow, and fun, just like whatever pop rock garbage comes through the radio, just a more radical facade.  The worst part is (and I know people like this) these guys who think they're into "death metal" because they downloaded a few BMTH songs, while never even having heard of a Massacra or a Demilich or what have you, and also thinking that At the Gates' only album is Slaughter of the Soul.

However, Integrity, being the first metalcore band and, really, the only one who got it right, is worthy listening, notably "Seasons in the Size of Days", "Systems Overload", and "Humanity is the Devil".  They somehow managed to balance hardcore punk with extreme metal without the two losing their efficacy.  

I originally wrote a post which emphasized the relevance of Integrity, and pretty much how you put it, as the only band that performed "Metalcore" in an acceptable way. Then I deleted it because of a reason I can't remember.

On an unrelated note, it's interesting how all of these metalcore and deathcore bands constantly masturbate to the idea of SOTS, when Absu's "Tara", albeit in a different genre altogether, blew that album's melody, technicality and precision into next Tuesday.

It boggles my mind to see bullshit genres spawned from bullshit albums.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Cenotaph on August 26, 2010, 07:25:03 PM
thats because Integrity fucking slays period, i don't think there is anything wrong with hardcore, as a matter of fact i love it. All of these "metal core" and "death core" bands with little girls trying not to rip their pants while doing moves copyrighted by kip winger on stage,fall into a category of their own. The difference is in hardcore you actually have to show your dedication and earn respect based on what you have brewing up in your skull, not whats on top of it. I think that giving them the term metal core takes away from the power of both the terms Metal and Hardcore, as those are cultures who celebrate a life style, not pretend to live one in the hopes of scoring some damaged broad who hates her father and wears all black. All it really is, is sappy pop music with distortion, and should be called nothing else. You give them something to be proud about and they'll never go away. I will go as far as to say that hardcore dudes go easy on them,  in my neighborhood you'll get your ass kicked for shit like that.

Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: zebra bodine on August 30, 2010, 02:52:35 PM
You give them something to be proud about and they'll never go away. I will go as far as to say that hardcore dudes go easy on them,  in my neighborhood you'll get your ass kicked for shit like that.



You kinda lost me here.

And I just feel that "metalcore" is the most apt description of Dwid's music, despite the connotation of mediocre bullshit that came years later.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: MilitantIdiotCrusher on September 01, 2010, 10:49:27 AM
Human Remains, being the first metalcore band

fix'd

Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Humanicide on September 01, 2010, 10:55:22 AM
Human Remains, being the first metalcore band

fix'd


Rorschach is considered one of the first as well, though I don't consider them metalcore.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Cargést on January 06, 2011, 03:48:04 PM
I am so confident about winning the sled dog race, that I have sold all of my furniture so that I can have more practice space. With the money I win from the sled race, I will buy new furniture. I have never seen wiener dogs in an alaskan sled race before, but because of the early-on master training I am letting them have the opportunity to endure, I think my chances are at a solid 110%.


I think it your are pretty serious for your sled dog race that you sold your furniture for space but it is good that you are confident about it. I hope you win too so you can buy a newer furniture's for your home because we know it makes the house complete to live in. Anyways you can make furniture's for yourself if you like because with the right tools and materials it is easy to make one.

Holy fucking God, the spam bots are becoming more and more intelligent.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Iconocloaca on January 06, 2011, 04:14:25 PM
I am so confident about winning the sled dog race, that I have sold all of my furniture so that I can have more practice space. With the money I win from the sled race, I will buy new furniture. I have never seen wiener dogs in an alaskan sled race before, but because of the early-on master training I am letting them have the opportunity to endure, I think my chances are at a solid 110%.


I think it your are pretty serious for your sled dog race that you sold your furniture for space but it is good that you are confident about it. I hope you win too so you can buy a newer furniture's for your home because we know it makes the house complete to live in. Anyways you can make furniture's for yourself if you like because with the right tools and materials it is easy to make one.

Holy fucking God, the spam bots are becoming more and more intelligent.

If they namedropped Burzum or Julius Evola, I don't think anybody would even realize.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Conservationist on January 07, 2011, 06:31:37 AM
It sounds like monkeys wrote the songs. I like monkeys. If I had a monkey, I would teach it to count cards. Then, I would unleash it into a casino, and if somebody shouts "Hey! Who's monkey is that?!" I would say "That's not my monkey."

I think about this paragraph frequently when I hear something that sounds like Meshuggah/Exodus/Prong/Exhorder in a blender with Fugazi/Jawbreaker/Neurosis and have to just laugh. The noodly scales of the 1970s have been replaced by noodly open-string nuttiness.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: v0mitous on January 07, 2011, 06:34:28 AM
If they namedropped Burzum or Julius Evola, I don't think anybody would even realize.

Unless it was like, a Mormon forum or something, then they would totally be suspicious of something.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Humanicide on January 07, 2011, 08:11:12 AM
I've been mentioning this band for a while; might as well provide a sample.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCbZir5kagA

Some of the only coherent metalcore I've ever heard. If anyone enjoys what they hear, I'll put up the album in Audiofile.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: zebra bodine on January 07, 2011, 08:41:48 AM
I've been mentioning this band for a while; might as well provide a sample.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCbZir5kagA

Some of the only coherent metalcore I've ever heard. If anyone enjoys what they hear, I'll put up the album in Audiofile.

Great band, but I think the label just applies for lack of a better term.  I've heard some describe them as powerviolence, which was never meant to be a serious term, in my opinion, though people do consider it as such nowadays.  If they were to play a set today, it would be at a hardcore show.  I'll gladly download it if you provide.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Humanicide on January 10, 2011, 09:45:50 AM
I've been mentioning this band for a while; might as well provide a sample.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCbZir5kagA

Some of the only coherent metalcore I've ever heard. If anyone enjoys what they hear, I'll put up the album in Audiofile.

Great band, but I think the label just applies for lack of a better term.  I've heard some describe them as powerviolence, which was never meant to be a serious term, in my opinion, though people do consider it as such nowadays.  If they were to play a set today, it would be at a hardcore show.  I'll gladly download it if you provide.

I uploaded Protestant and their first album too.

http://www.anus.com/metal/hall/index.php/topic,11483.0.html
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: whiskeyhammer on July 06, 2013, 08:30:09 AM
Coming from a metalhead and hardcore background, I can easily say most metalcore sucks, especially the further fusing of subgenres, like deathcore.  Bands like BMTH are abysmal where the entire emphasis is being loud, heavy, fast/slow/fast/slow, and fun, just like whatever pop rock garbage comes through the radio, just a more radical facade.  The worst part is (and I know people like this) these guys who think they're into "death metal" because they downloaded a few BMTH songs, while never even having heard of a Massacra or a Demilich or what have you, and also thinking that At the Gates' only album is Slaughter of the Soul.

However, Integrity, being the first metalcore band and, really, the only one who got it right, is worthy listening, notably "Seasons in the Size of Days", "Systems Overload", and "Humanity is the Devil".  They somehow managed to balance hardcore punk with extreme metal without the two losing their efficacy. 

I originally wrote a post which emphasized the relevance of Integrity, and pretty much how you put it, as the only band that performed "Metalcore" in an acceptable way. Then I deleted it because of a reason I can't remember.

On an unrelated note, it's interesting how all of these metalcore and deathcore bands constantly masturbate to the idea of SOTS, when Absu's "Tara", albeit in a different genre altogether, blew that album's melody, technicality and precision into next Tuesday.

It boggles my mind to see bullshit genres spawned from bullshit albums.

Ummm.... Gaza, Rorschach, Starkweather, Hubris and Cursed? The ignorance displayed in this thread is astounding.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: death metal black metal on July 09, 2013, 06:54:32 PM
Nu-core is anti-metal.

Gaza is rape rock.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Humanicide on July 10, 2013, 04:15:58 AM
Ummm.... Gaza, Rorschach, Starkweather, Hubris and Cursed? The ignorance displayed in this thread is astounding.

Rorschach is the only good band mentioned there. Metalcore in general is abject shit.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: dead last on July 10, 2013, 05:12:10 AM
Shai Hulud's album That Within Blood Ill-Tempered is more metal than most metal and it practically defines metalcore. I'm not going to bother explaining how technically bizarre the structures are or how expertly composed the melodies prove, because it would sound like hyperbole to anyone who hasn't heard it. I will say that it is an album that maintains every musically creative aspect of the better death metal bands (lyrics included), it is just presented with (mostly) tonal and melodic guitar playing.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: death-metal on July 13, 2013, 09:00:08 AM
Do we all hate nu-core? We are not hive.

I don't see any point exploring it. It's rock music.

That it throws in some metal riffs doesn't distract from its basic inattention to reality and thus, rather boring personal drama that I don't care about.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Humanicide on July 13, 2013, 01:08:46 PM
Do we all hate nu-core? We are not hive.

I don't see any point exploring it. It's rock music.

That it throws in some metal riffs doesn't distract from its basic inattention to reality and thus, rather boring personal drama that I don't care about.

We are not hive - yet you use blanket statements that imply a hivemind way of thinking.

Choose your words carefully lest you wind up entangled in them.

I agree with you - mostly. There have been some quality bands in this genre of pointlessness mentioned here in this thread. If you choose to investigate, and do not like them, fine. If you like them, great! But condemning without investigation is an error. Look for the silver lining, it's always there somewhere even if it is very small.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: dead last on July 14, 2013, 05:15:03 AM
Do we all hate nu-core? We are not hive.

I don't see any point exploring it. It's rock music.

That it throws in some metal riffs doesn't distract from its basic inattention to reality and thus, rather boring personal drama that I don't care about.

So where exactly do you find this Line of No Return that divides music between "metal" and "rock"? Is the Line in the lyrical subject matter? And what is it about the lyrical subject matter then? Is it lyrics referencing non-egotistic, inhuman subjects? In that case, what specifically separates spacey prog-rock lyrics from death metal? The level of aggression, violence, or menace projected? I'd like some clarification just because I appreciate your commentary and I find myself drawing all sorts of unhelpful conclusions from tangential logic.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: death-metal on July 14, 2013, 10:34:41 AM
Do we all hate nu-core? We are not hive.

I don't see any point exploring it. It's rock music.

That it throws in some metal riffs doesn't distract from its basic inattention to reality and thus, rather boring personal drama that I don't care about.

We are not hive - yet you use blanket statements that imply a hivemind way of thinking.

Choose your words carefully lest you wind up entangled in them.

Please give some examples of this entanglement.

I agree with you - mostly. There have been some quality bands in this genre of pointlessness mentioned here in this thread. If you choose to investigate, and do not like them, fine. If you like them, great! But condemning without investigation is an error. Look for the silver lining, it's always there somewhere even if it is very small.

Horse shit.

The design of some approaches to problem solving are inherently broken and there's no need to pursue them.

Why not explore coprophagic nouvelle cuisine? Maybe some of it is good.

Like certain political philosophies (Marxism, for example) the fundamental tenets of nu-core's design philosophy are stupid, and therefore the best result it can hope for it so mediate its own stupid in some entertaining way.

Why not find the good in K-pop instead? It's more valid as a genre.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Humanicide on July 14, 2013, 03:45:36 PM
Do we all hate nu-core? We are not hive.

I don't see any point exploring it. It's rock music.

That it throws in some metal riffs doesn't distract from its basic inattention to reality and thus, rather boring personal drama that I don't care about.

We are not hive - yet you use blanket statements that imply a hivemind way of thinking.

Choose your words carefully lest you wind up entangled in them.

Please give some examples of this entanglement.

I agree with you - mostly. There have been some quality bands in this genre of pointlessness mentioned here in this thread. If you choose to investigate, and do not like them, fine. If you like them, great! But condemning without investigation is an error. Look for the silver lining, it's always there somewhere even if it is very small.

Horse shit.

The design of some approaches to problem solving are inherently broken and there's no need to pursue them.

Why not explore coprophagic nouvelle cuisine? Maybe some of it is good.

Like certain political philosophies (Marxism, for example) the fundamental tenets of nu-core's design philosophy are stupid, and therefore the best result it can hope for it so mediate its own stupid in some entertaining way.

Why not find the good in K-pop instead? It's more valid as a genre.

OK, first off, tone it down. 

Second, simply because the fundamental tenants of a particular thing are flawed does not necessarily mean that every aspect of said thing is flawed. Find the useful/good in everything, and promote/support it. If there is no good in it (like that cuisine), then disregard it. Nu-core (whatever that term means, it seems much too general to apply to a specific genre) seems to encompass a lot. If metalcore is included in this general term, we have already proven that there are good metalcore bands, so you are incorrect.

Third: you say we are not a hivemind, but then you expect me to agree with you that just because it's rock music (which is generally shit), it's not worth exploring? As if the opinion just goes without saying? I do believe The Doors, Genesis, and a select few other rock bands (supported by this site, no less) achieve a level of quality comparable with some of the best metal. You're tangled up good. 

Finally, your attempt at insulting wit in the last sentence fails. I want a discussion, not internet shit flinging. Keep that in mind before you spew out whatever pops into your head onto the keyboard.

Attitudes like that do little good for this site, or metal in general.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: death-metal on July 15, 2013, 03:54:32 PM
OK, first off, tone it down. 

Tone what down? And why are you telling me what to do? This seems dysfunctional and passive aggressive.

Second, simply because the fundamental tenants of a particular thing are flawed does not necessarily mean that every aspect of said thing is flawed.

Assumption: every aspect of it must be flawed for it to be flawed. We can see how that makes zero sense with the following: nuclear holocaust kills bugs, thus it's not flawed. Its parts aren't flawed!

Find the useful/good in everything, and promote/support it.

This misunderstands "good." Good means a design of intelligence; when a genre steps outside of that, there's nothing good there.

Nu-core (whatever that term means, it seems much too general to apply to a specific genre) seems to encompass a lot.

And yet it all shares a similarity: it's rock/post-hardcore with some metal riffs, which wishes to impersonate metal and thus replace it.

If metalcore is included in this general term, we have already proven that there are good metalcore bands, so you are incorrect.

What are those?

Third: you say we are not a hivemind, but then you expect me to agree with you that just because it's rock music (which is generally shit), it's not worth exploring?

You're incoherent here. Someone making an argument does not equate to them forcing you into a hivemind. If that were true, it would equally apply to what you're doing here.

As if the opinion just goes without saying? I do believe The Doors, Genesis, and a select few other rock bands (supported by this site, no less) achieve a level of quality comparable with some of the best metal.

I disagree. The point of nu-core being rock music is that it's not metal, yet impersonates metal. If it doesn't impersonate metal, like the Doors, there's no problem with it.

Finally, your attempt at insulting wit in the last sentence fails. I want a discussion, not internet shit flinging. Keep that in mind before you spew out whatever pops into your head onto the keyboard.

You're reading something into it that isn't there. And you sound rather angry.

Attitudes like that do little good for this site, or metal in general.

Like what? You named a behavior, not an attitude.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Humanicide on July 15, 2013, 08:29:38 PM
I'm not angry at all.

"nuclear holocaust kills bugs, thus it's not flawed. Its parts aren't flawed!"

You single out one part which may not be flawed, and then assume all parts aren't flawed. Did I say that? No. I said that some parts may not be flawed. 

"This misunderstands "good." Good means a design of intelligence; when a genre steps outside of that, there's nothing good there."

You define good with a safe, general definition. What is a design of intelligence to you? Many argue here that Deicide is good; I argue against that. Intelligent people can have different (but yet valid) views on what is good. I'm just trying to cull your standards out of you to make recommendations for music you might like, not start an argument.

"And yet it all shares a similarity: it's rock/post-hardcore with some metal riffs, which wishes to impersonate metal and thus replace it

I don't think these bands/musicians are consciously doing this, do you? I think they're all just morons who don't know any better. Ignorance, not intended hostile takeover. Still annoying and gets in the way of good metal though.

"Like what? You named a behavior, not an attitude."

Well then that behavior is flawed, I chose my words poorly. My point still stands.
 
But let's cease this bickering, there's no point to it. This is a community here, we're supposed to give each other a hand. You want to know some good metalcore albums? Here's a few for ya - take them or leave them. (Apologies as I can't post Youtube links at the moment, laptop is on its last legs)

Integrity - Those Who Fear Tomorrow and Systems Overload

Today is the Day - In The Arms of God and Kiss The Pig

(ANUS labeled this band metalcore, not sure if I agree but....)
Discordance Axis - anything, but particularly Jouhou and The Inalienable Dreamless

If you like Discordance Axis I recommend checking out Gridlink too, grindcore; both of their albums are good, with Orphan being my slight favorite.

Rorschach - Protestant

I have found lasting value in these albums. They've passed the "5 year test", as I've had each of them for at least 5 years, and I still come back to them. Are they on the level of Altars of Madness or Consuming Impulse? Not quite, but then neither is Splenium For Nyktophobia or Close To A World Below; still great records. Hope you enjoy, or at least relate your thoughts.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Imposition on July 16, 2013, 01:52:10 AM
Humanicide, nothing personal, but comparing the albums you mentioned, on any charitable application of inter-subjective musical standards (compositional depth, emotional depth, maturity) to Close To A World Below is worse than comparing The Black Album to Dark Side of the Moon (which KirK from Metallica has done, to his eternal stupidity)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyprzmd3rVw
vs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpGiu5Vj158
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: death-metal on July 16, 2013, 06:51:30 AM
"nuclear holocaust kills bugs, thus it's not flawed. Its parts aren't flawed!"

You single out one part which may not be flawed, and then assume all parts aren't flawed. Did I say that? No. I said that some parts may not be flawed. 

That's not true. Here's your original statement:

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Second, simply because the fundamental tenants of a particular thing are flawed does not necessarily mean that every aspect of said thing is flawed. Find the useful/good in everything, and promote/support it. If there is no good in it (like that cuisine), then disregard it.

If there is no good in it, disregard it. But if there's any good in it, keep it. That's the summary of that paragraph. And so I say: nuclear holocaust kills mosquitoes.

Keep it!

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Intelligent people can have different (but yet valid) views on what is good.

Valid doesn't mean anything.

The question is "accurate."

I don't agree at all here, as you know.

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I don't think these bands/musicians are consciously doing this, do you? I think they're all just morons who don't know any better.

Does it matter? (And yes, I think most are doing it consciously; at least, that's what they say in interviews.)

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Ignorance, not intended hostile takeover. Still annoying and gets in the way of good metal though.

Who cares what their intent is?

Intent?

Look at results. Again with the valid/intent-versus-reality/results dichotomy that seems inherent to your viewpoint.

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You want to know some good metalcore albums? Here's a few for ya - take them or leave them.

I would like the complete list, so that discussion can proceed. Let's look at the best of the genre, and see what it has to offer.

If we don't have a complete list, we all know what will happen. "But you didn't consider..."

Integrity - Those Who Fear Tomorrow and Systems Overload
Today is the Day - In The Arms of God and Kiss The Pig
Discordance Axis - anything, but particularly Jouhou and The Inalienable Dreamless
Gridlink
Rorschach - Protestant

A starter list.

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Are they on the level of Altars of Madness or Consuming Impulse? Not quite, but then neither is Splenium For Nyktophobia or Close To A World Below; still great records.

Is Close to a World Below closer to AOM than these?
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: trystero on July 16, 2013, 10:41:32 AM
Okay I want to hear this Deicide argument. Seriously?
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: trystero on July 16, 2013, 10:44:11 AM
Also what a silly argument with the nuclear holocaust thing. Obviously in this particular case you can pick and choose the good, disregarding the bad. This is exactly the same as what we all do with metal music, so why exactly doesnt it extend to metalcore? That said, out of that list I have only heard Today Is The Day and Integrity and I can safely say that while good they dont hold up at all to the best metal, by a wide margin.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Humanicide on July 16, 2013, 07:18:54 PM
death-metal, that list is complete insofar as that's pretty much all of the metalcore I have, haha. If others would like to contribute, feel free. By the way Gridlink isn't metalcore - I just mentioned them because they are associated with Discordance Axis and have some of their tendencies. The music is grindcore though.

"But if there's any good in it, keep THE GOOD PARTS."

That's what I meant. Don't keep the whole thing, just keep what is good.

"(And yes, I think most are doing it consciously; at least, that's what they say in interviews.)"

Could you cite a particular example? I'd like to know who to avoid. Honestly man I think you give too much credit to them, heh.

"Is Close to a World Below closer to AOM than these?"

I would favor Discordance Axis more than CTAWB, but I think that album is better than every other metalcore band I mentioned. Could be my preference for grindcore though; DA is very grindy (to the point where I don't know why ANUS classes them as metalcore).

Okay I want to hear this Deicide argument. Seriously?

Their first album is a mishmash of songs with a cool riff or two but that are ultimately unrelated - lacks direction. "Legion" is the sole respectable work from the band, and even though my personal preference says that album is overrated, I can acknowledge its contributions to the genre. "Once Upon The Cross" is like a diluted "Legion" with some parts of the first album - lacking. Everything after that just gets even worse.

I much prefer contemporary works of early Sinister and Acheron - they tackle parts of the same approach far more effectively.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: death-metal on July 17, 2013, 05:25:50 PM
"But if there's any good in it, keep THE GOOD PARTS."

That's what I meant. Don't keep the whole thing, just keep what is good.

And what about things that in total are worse than anything their parts have to offer? You're talking about a genre that is a mishmash of others, so your entire point is ludicrous, but you're also trying to evade the reality which is that to "take the good parts" from something, we need to keep it around. And if it has other consequences, we inherit those. The nuclear war example is apt because there's not something to learn/take from everything. Only some things.

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DA is very grindy (to the point where I don't know why ANUS classes them as metalcore).

Compositional direction.

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Their first album is a mishmash of songs with a cool riff or two but that are ultimately unrelated - lacks direction. "Legion" is the sole respectable work from the band, and even though my personal preference says that album is overrated, I can acknowledge its contributions to the genre. "Once Upon The Cross" is like a diluted "Legion" with some parts of the first album - lacking.

I don't agree on the first album. It's a clear rip of two other albums, but it integrates the influence into a new style and the songs fit together quite well. They are not as riff-salady as I'd like, but not that different from MA in terms of layout.

I still haven't seen you touch the substance of my message, or explain to us what nu-core offers that we can't get anywhere else, or why we should keep a tainted thing around in case it teaches us one tiny good thing in with the river of shit.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Humanicide on July 17, 2013, 06:25:07 PM
"explain to us what nu-core offers that we can't get anywhere else

I didn't want to emphasize this. Where are you getting this from? But since nu-core isn't a real genre, I feel that in its primordial stages metalcore represented a new direction for punk based music, which then quickly fell flat due to imitators and also-rans. Punk music also unfortunately has a high burn out rate.

"And what about things that in total are worse than anything their parts have to offer?"

Is it not possible to throw out all but the good parts? Your previous example, Marxism. I agree that Marxism is in general a load of baloney. But, what of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"? That strikes me as something worth keeping around, as a sense of community and indeed a sort of justice arises when each has their own role, performs it, and takes only what they require. Even if the materialist view of history (bullshit), the whole 'workers rise up!' mentality (bullshit), and many other aspects of it are indeed flawed. One can incorporate the good ideas into other more healthy philosophies. Do you like your pie with just berries or would you favor a bit of cinnamon in there too (even if the cinnamon was a little stale)?

"The nuclear war example is apt because there's not something to learn/take from everything. Only some things."

We will not agree here. There IS something to be learned from everything, even if it means learning what NOT to do. Nuclear war let us know that our technology could very well mean the death of our planet - that is a hard reality that humanity learned, no? 

"but you're also trying to evade the reality which is that to "take the good parts" from something, we need to keep it around."

We should keep it around long enough to learn what is good from it, if anything, then disregard it. Utility. There are things in this world that are not 'good' but are necessary. Metalcore is not one of those things, but who is to say the genre cannot develop in a direction which would be more conducive to higher quality composition - if higher quality composers were involved? For fuck's sake we have Birth A.D. on the site, and thrash is pretty much dead (due to a ton of copycat/lazy bands). Why are they here and not others? Consider that.

I haven't seen you address what a 'design of intelligence' is, as if it is intiuition. Could you elaborate?

Lastly,
"I don't agree on the first album. It's a clear rip of two other albums"

I'd say you'd be better off listening to the other two albums. Let me guess - Altars of Madness and Reign In Blood? Can't think of any others.

Humanicide, nothing personal, but comparing the albums you mentioned, on any charitable application of inter-subjective musical standards (compositional depth, emotional depth, maturity) to Close To A World Below is worse than comparing The Black Album to Dark Side of the Moon (which KirK from Metallica has done, to his eternal stupidity)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyprzmd3rVw
vs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpGiu5Vj158

You know, I DID say that: "I would favor Discordance Axis more than CTAWB, but I think that album is better than every other metalcore band I mentioned." Which included Rorschach. I think The Inalienable Dreamless is better than Close To A World Below from a personal taste standpoint. But beyond that the compositional qualities are on par with each other. DA expresses their ideas in short order which I think gives more immediate power to each track (though not so much immediacy that subtlety is forgotten) - whereas Immolation draws out their ideas to fit their mode of expression (in turn producing equally powerful and subtle moments). They both use an "organized" riff salad approach, which is - if you ask me - the reason why each album has such staying power.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: trystero on July 18, 2013, 03:20:13 AM
Marxism. I agree that Marxism is in general a load of baloney. But, what of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"? That strikes me as something worth keeping around, as a sense of community and indeed a sort of justice arises when each has their own role, performs it, and takes only what they require.

Not a great example, that is a trap. From each according to ability, to each according to contribution/ability/role whatever. To each according to need = the weak subverting the strong. Yes it all sounds great, but it puts a nice seeming idea before human nature itself. Marxism doesn't believe in community, nor does it believe in self-sacrifice. If justice, it is the "justice" of the masses: I don't care if you work twice as hard as me and get the same gruel, I can't work as hard as you! It's unfair!
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: Humanicide on July 21, 2013, 01:39:00 PM
Marxism. I agree that Marxism is in general a load of baloney. But, what of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"? That strikes me as something worth keeping around, as a sense of community and indeed a sort of justice arises when each has their own role, performs it, and takes only what they require.

Not a great example, that is a trap. From each according to ability, to each according to contribution/ability/role whatever. To each according to need = the weak subverting the strong. Yes it all sounds great, but it puts a nice seeming idea before human nature itself. Marxism doesn't believe in community, nor does it believe in self-sacrifice. If justice, it is the "justice" of the masses: I don't care if you work twice as hard as me and get the same gruel, I can't work as hard as you! It's unfair!

"To each according to need = the weak subverting the strong"

Could you elaborate on this? Sorry if I sound a bit thick but I'm looking at it as "modern people have too much unnecessary material garbage, get rid of it, use what you need and don't be greedy".

The first part sounds OK by me - if you contribute, you get to be a part of things. If you won't, you don't get to.
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: death-metal on July 22, 2013, 12:18:07 AM
But, what of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"? That strikes me as something worth keeping around, as a sense of community and indeed a sort of justice arises when each has their own role, performs it, and takes only what they require.

That requires a central determination. That determination will either favor the stronger, or the weaker; there's no middle ground. Then you have yourself micro-managed in a way the kings would never tolerate.

Further, as others have pointed out, this becomes a social concern. Thus it always favors the weaker, instead of letting the stronger build up wealth they don't need right now, and do things with it that are more productive (in the future).

I trust nature's way. That is, there's a tribe, and there's a cultural mandate to help members of the tribe who are acting in good faith toward the values of the community. But no one is forced through management.

That way, by the way, means less time at work and more pay :)
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: grecocastro on August 11, 2013, 10:51:01 AM
Yes, deathcore is a shit, is new metal with death metal vocals. But there good -core genres, like... yeah, there´s  no good metalcore genre
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: grecocastro on August 11, 2013, 10:52:02 AM
Deathcore musicians play guitar hero
Title: Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
Post by: suđrheim on August 15, 2013, 04:34:14 PM
I hate core music because it's suburban music for people who's deepest thoughts of contemplation are obsessed with discerning systems to justify their massive ego and emotional masturbation.

Fuck this genre.