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Interzone / Re: ANUS book reviews?
« on: December 31, 2010, 12:41:12 PM »
A pretty good list there, containing a few I have read and many more I want to. If you look around though, I know they have book reviews, and most famously they gave the Bible a C-, something which I still find hilarious.

Interzone / Re: Political/social philosophy of ANUS members
« on: December 29, 2010, 04:56:22 AM »
I'm a registered libertarian. I know for sure that I am liberal on social views. On the other hand, I am really torn on economic policies. For economics there are two questions:
1) How do economic systems work?
2) How should they be implemented?

1 seems to be a prerequisite to figuring out 2. The problem is that we only so much about how economics seems to work. There seems to be a lot of misinformation and propaganda. Often when someone is advocating their economic philosophy, they argue that not only is the competing economic philosophy ethically wrong, but the science/research/reasoning it is based on is false. Question #2 is the only question that can be answered more or less apriori because it is an ethical or normative question.

I think that money should be used for the benefit of all people. It seems absurd that so many people can live in luxury yet other people are literally starving to death. On the other hand, people definitely have different levels of ability and are willing to put more effort in and risk more, so they should be rewarded more. Basically I believe that people should get what they "earn", although that is a pretty subjective concept and I'm not sure if this ideal can ever be attained. Ideally I would like to see this unfold naturally in the free market because it has a certain elegance that politicians trying to patch things up based on what is "fair" lacks. Private companies seem more efficient than government bureaucracies (eg the MVA) because there is no competition (for starters), and taxes really are technically taken by force. I suppose a "minarchist" view of public services such as the fire station or whatever appeals to me most.

Thinkers such as Ayn Rand appeal to me on one hand but so do Mikael Bakunin and Noam Chomsky. Also note they have divergent views on economics but seem to be in the same boat socially and on religion.

Interzone / Re: Study shows realities of mate selection
« on: December 29, 2010, 04:06:56 AM »
Women date the successful and smart guys, yes, but they also cheat on them with bikers, druggies, and "bad boys."  The only way to win the game is to not play it.
Not playing is the only way to guarantee losing.

Metal / Re: YOUR metal timeline
« on: December 25, 2010, 04:50:30 AM »
1997 - First CD: Busta Rhymes - When Disaster Strikes, also get into Notorious BIG, Beanie Sigel and others
1998 - Buy Korn - Follow the Leader. Listen to "urban" (rap & R&B) and modern rock radio (alternative & nu metal). Later get CDs by Linkin Park and Disturbed. I disowned numetal for a while, but now I can enjoy it a bit if its one of the select few I got into when I was younger. It's kind of irrelevant though cause I never actually do listen to it anymore.
2001 - Buy Slayer - God Hates Us All. A lot like Numetal, I can enjoy it but not as much. I was very intrigued at how blasphemous the lyrics were (I never thought of the concept before). While not Slayer's best album, this was far closer to legit metal than anything I had heard before.
2002 - First metal concert: Slayer
2003 - Around this time I got my own computer for college and file sharing let me obtain much more music than I could before. Up until now I had spent the past several years on no more than a dozen CDs and what the radio had for me. Naturally I began to explore various forms of metal mostly with the help of allmusic.com (good for beginners). It started with Metallica and Slayer as well as some old school stuff like Sabbath, Maiden, Priest. Saw Metallica live.
2004 - Got my first guitar for Xmas. Things were naturally progressing to death metal and grindcore, of course the "melodic" style such as In Flames at first. I still like this style but In Flames got progressively worse and there weren't very many bands outside of Dark Tranquillity that were even that good anyway. Of course, bands like Deicide and especially Morbid Angel, Suffocation etc. were really difficult and I couldn't stand it the first several listens but I eventually learned to love them. Also developing a taste for electronic/ambient music such as Aphex Twin, Autechre, Lustmord etc. First "melodic death metal" concert": In Flames. First death metal concert: Deicide
2005 - Went to my first Maryland Deathfest (lucky enough to be a local) and saw Cryptopsy play the entire "None So Vile" album. The landscape doesn't change much from here on out. I still mostly listen to metal more than anything else, along with ambient stuff. Occasionally I give a rap album a shot and often it's really good. I often wonder when I am going to meet the point of diminishing returns in terms of discovering new bands with metal. It always seems like it's right around the corner, yet I continue on. I wouldn't even mind if it happened because I never would have imagined how much great metal there is out there and how much I have enjoyed it over the years.
2009 - Play live for the first time doing guitar and vocals for a Metallica cover band, then again in 2010. It was really an amazing experience. These days I aspire to listen to more rap and classical. I'm not sure what I would do if I get tired of that, because I would probably force myself to listen to jazz and classic rock, so lets hope metal, ambient, classical and rap can last me a lifetime. I still play guitar and often think of writing original material. I guess I have high standards for myself though. I have been to 75 concerts and 95% were metal.

Interzone / Re: Political correctness is retarded
« on: September 26, 2010, 05:36:38 PM »

lame → crippled → handicapped → disabled → physically challenged → differently abled

Idiot/imbecile/moron → retard → ?

Interzone / Re: Dysfunction of human individuals
« on: July 22, 2010, 06:00:06 AM »
A lot of people feel qualified to diagnose people with personality disorders, but they don't have psychology degrees.  Much of the DSM is just propaganda designed and biased by the interest of insurance agencies and pharmaceutical companies.

To the perception of such a person, everyone they encounter is either their superior or their inferior, which is very much the same phenomenon we find in the way dogs view themselves. However, unlike dogs who can be perfectly happy living their lives in the inferior position, predatory personality disorders can only feel worthwhile if they view themselves as dominant.

This reminds me of some website, I just can't put my finger on it...

Metal / Re: How Are Metal and Ambient Related?
« on: July 20, 2010, 02:38:06 AM »
Most electronic artists sound dated rather quickly because they are really working off the cutting edge and experimenting on it heavily.  Not everything works out and the things that don't get stuck in that date forever, but then there are others who still sound like they are in the future.

I have found the opposite to be true.  Eno and similar artists like Harold Budd sound dates because they use real world instruments like piano.  The electronic artists sound fresher, although of course there are exceptions.

Deicide through a kazoo, does it change genre?


The ambient mostly consisting of electronic artists like Aphex Twin, Autechre, Lustmord, Gridlock, Biosphere.  I think some of the old schoolers like Brian Eno sound kind of dated.  I discovered ambient music before I learned that black metal artists were evolving into that style, but came to appreciate that too.

Again, we need to separate instrumentation from musical composition.

If I play Bach on guitars with a drumkit going in the background, does it magically become rock?

In the same way, if I play Bob Marley through a symphony, or Deicide through a kazoo, does it change genre?

It doesn't: genre is composition.

For ambient, look to Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk. See if you can spot any structural similarities -- when do riffs change, how do they change, how is melody used to change the song from start to finish -- between those and death/black metal.

I was having this argument with myself yesterday: Does timbre matter?  Yes.  It's probably secondary to composition, but still relevant.  If you were to play Bach with drums, it would change the composition.  Similarly, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16zL4VMzs4g&hd=1) is just guitar leads, so it changes the composition.  Metal has a lot of percussion, ambient has very little.  Ambient is often used as an adjective, so you could apply it to metal (HLTO), but metal has more rigid rules about sound and instrumentation.  I would say you can't even call it metal if it has acoustic guitars.  On the other hand, you could call genres restrictive constructs etc. and not even necessary: it's music in the end.  Even if composition is more important overall than instrumentation, instrumentation is more important to determining music's genre, but then again genre really isn't that important.  I know we would like to afford metal a transcendent sort of status, but it depends on the context.  The difference between metal and rock is probably the best compositional difference, although you have to consider how distorted the guitar is too.  On the other hand, Nu Metal really is metal, just bad metal. 

Regardless of how important you think composition vs instrumentation is, metal and ambient have different compositional techniques too.  Comparing metal to ambient, ambient has a more textural approach to music.  Metal has more discreet parts and ambient is more amorphous.  Tangerine Dream for example uses repetitive riffs and changes the envelope to change how it sounds.  I loved Phaedra but the rest of the discography is pretty redundant.  I tried to like Kraftwork, but I don't think that's happening.

Some other ambient artists:

Aidan Baker (associated with metal via Nadja)
Bad Sector
Blood Box
Bohren & der Club of Gore (started off as grindcore)
Final (Justin Broadrick)
Maeror Tri (thanks ANUS)
Nordvarg/Drakh (black metal inspired)
Raison d'Etre
Robert Rich
Stars of the Lid
Steve Roach
Tim Hecker
Vinterrikket (black metal inspired)
William Basinski

Metal / How Are Metal and Ambient Related?
« on: July 19, 2010, 03:35:42 AM »
A lot of rhetoric around this site associates metal closely with ambient music, but prima facie they seem to be completely unrelated.  Is it just a coincidence then, that these are my two favorite forms of music? The ambient mostly consisting of electronic artists like Aphex Twin, Autechre, Lustmord, Gridlock, Biosphere.  I think some of the old schoolers like Brian Eno sound kind of dated.  I discovered ambient music before I learned that black metal artists were evolving into that style, but came to appreciate that too.  HlidskjŠlf is OK.  There are others but I can't think of anyone that prominent.

Of course they are both 'dark,' but there is more.  Instead of 'unrelated' it would be more accurate to call metal and ambient opposites, which is actually an intimate relationship.  The intensity of metal compliments the unobtrusiveness of ambient.  The dynamic between the two is profound.  The blastbeat is the best example, and is why ambient grew out of black metal.  The ear accommodates itself to the constant intensity of the blastbeat, especially in a situation like Hvis Lyset Tar Oss, so that the dynamic is actually totally flat (insert allusions to mesmerizing snow here).  This is complimented by Tomhet, which is the opposite: no percussion (pretty much my definition of ambient), but still no dynamics in intensity.  Just on to off.

So in profane language, ambient is basically chill music that is still dark for when you need to take a break from metal.

But is there more to it than that?

Metal / Re: "Be open-minded"
« on: July 12, 2010, 09:45:56 PM »
Most people like to be "open minded" about music.  They usually say "I like all types of music" etc.


Then when these people are riding in my car or whatever I subject them to da death metal.  I'm trying to start a campaign to get death metal to overtake rap and country music in place of "I like all kinds of music except _____."

On the other hand, I am bringing two newbies with me to the Iron Maiden concert June 20th.  Another is asking me to get him into metal so I throw him recommendations from time to time.  Finally, someone (also total noob) agreed he would go to a metal concert with me so I will probably take him to Nile.

Interzone / Re: Is "social-life" a mockery of human-life?
« on: July 08, 2010, 10:11:27 PM »
Take your own advice and hit the bars to relearn some social skills. Step outside your quiet, surly, critical, insular INTJ bubble a little more often and you'll realize that humans are not mere yes-no, right or wrong information-relay machines.
Did you read his whole post before your eagerness to go off on this tirade consumed you? He pretty clearly does step outside his bubble and derives a lot of joy from socializing. Are you upset because he doesn't like everyone he comes across, or what?

Yes, I read his whole post. No, actually the tirade did not consume me, and no I am not upset.

I think his issue is not that he doesn't like everyone that he comes across, but that he does not understand fully what socializing involves, and the effect of this is that his perception of other people is negatively altered.

So which parts am I missing out on exactly?  The problem is that people really do have different theories and motivations about why they are going to various social events.  Some people go with the conscious goal of trying to sleep with someone that very night.  Others are going "just to dance" and going home with someone is against the rules of the group you came with.  People in the former group would describe the later as "cockblocking."  Others are going to get as intoxicated as possible.  A different group of people is trying to do business networking.  Some more people might want to see how those people they haven't seen in a while and reconnect with them.  Some people like to stand around and take pictures of themselves and post them on social networks.  Other people have this theory:
Here are our two glossary terms for today's assignment.

bubble sort

pecking order
As cynical as it is, I do sometimes take this perspective that human beings have social dynamics that are similar to a wolf pack.  This seems to be mostly a male thing.  It's a hierarchy with the alpha male at the top, and everyone else is acting like 'unwelcoming personalities' and 'egotistical enemies,' developing that behavioral code so you can shame others into being 'gay.'  I guess that night if you don't like Toy Story 3, you're gay.  That's one way of interpreting it.

And I'm an INFP damn it! ;)

Interzone / Re: Is "social-life" a mockery of human-life?
« on: July 07, 2010, 11:34:23 PM »
I sat at the table as the group discussed mostly inconsequential bullshit, like trips to Europe and how much they loved Toy Story 3 and Pixar in general.  When I made comments about how it is a cartoon movie for children one of them said I was being negative.

Take your own advice and hit the bars to relearn some social skills. Step outside your quiet, surly, critical, insular INTJ bubble a little more often and you'll realize that humans are not mere yes-no, right or wrong information-relay machines.

Never thought I would hear someone from ANUS message boards call me surly.  Anyway, I would hope most people that know me consider me a pretty easy going guy, including those two girls.  It can also pay off if you gently tease girls, although the key is moderation and far too many times I have shot myself in the foot trying to do this.  I guess my story is just another example of this.  Second what Istaros said, although I still think bars are usually not worth it for reasons I already mentioned.

I wish there were more comedians like Carlin. Instead people like Dane Cook are popular amongst today's youth.

I have to admit I have laughed at Dane Cook before, but his comedy is so inane and talks about inconsequential BS.  Carlin and Hicks on the other hand, were very witty social critics.  I think the reason Dane Cook is so popular and unpopular is because he's very handsome quite frankly, so a lot of women are going to biased because they are attracted to him.

Sometimes Christianity can be transcendent, mystical, interesting, etc., but let's not forget how it manifests itself 90% of the time.

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Interzone / Re: Is "social-life" a mockery of human-life?
« on: July 05, 2010, 10:34:31 PM »
Isn't it great to experience that "social life" everyone is always talking about?  I can certainly empathize with your situation: I have been there and I think many of us have.  I think the music situation you described is a good metaphor for what is going on overall: it's a typical lowest common denominator situation.  An interesting question is how much of this is a manifestation of some fundamental aspect of human nature, a way in which people generally do behave, versus how much this is a manifestation of some modern social dysfunction.  I think in the past social groups were often more focused around large extended family groups, while these days it's a bunch of strangers who go to the same college, or in the worst case scenario, just live in the same city (I'm talking about bars and clubs here.)  What sort of meaningful substance could someone in a bar offer me, really?  What are the chances I have anything in common with them?

On the other hand, you could glean a lot of positive things out of these sort of situations.  It's a good way to practice general social skills (without trying to sound condescending here.)  The reality is that most people are going to be kind of boring and you have to deal with that.  However, once you get to know them better, you might find things that you have in common.  In your social life it's best to have a good mix of new and old people.  The more you know the old ones, the more you will like them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_effect), even if you don't have much in common with them, and it feels good to reconnect with them once in a while.  A minority of these set of people will develop into people you can have more meaningful friendships with.

A few days ago I went to a housewarming/dinner party/bar hopping thing last weekend.  Of the ten or so people there, I knew about half of them.  I was surprised to learn the host had transcended her gender by having the full Carcass discography on her iPod.  I knew that the rest of the girls would change the music, so I put on Reek of Putrification to see how fast I could make my prediction come true.  It only got to the third or fourth track for her to say we had to put on some jazz (amusing that she considers jazz background noise.)  She couldn't find any so she settled for pop.  I sat at the table as the group discussed mostly inconsequential bullshit, like trips to Europe and how much they loved Toy Story 3 and Pixar in general.  When I made comments about how it is a cartoon movie for children (this sort of thing: http://www.theonion.com/video/adults-go-wild-over-latest-in-childrens-picture-bo,14388/), one of them said I was being negative.  I got a bit frustrated at this point.  You see, despite usually liking these people in general, we don't have much in common (I think gender is a factor here too.)  I began to feel they way you do now: this event is a depressing waste of my time.  Nevertheless, I followed them to the bars afterwards out of politeness and inertia.  As I expected, the torment continued.  The host even said I seemed kind of quiet (which is the worst fucking thing you can say to someone who isn't talking very much.)  I hadn't heard that one in a long time either. Of course we went to the next bar, and then the next bar.  Staying at one bar is something you never do.  I think what most people don't realize is that are bars are the same and that they are fucking bored.  As we were walking the girl from Germany who I didn't know asked me what my major was.  I said philosophy and she said that was "different."  She asked me who my favorite philosopher was and of course I had to go with Nietzsche.  I never connected her country of origin with where FWN until later, so I was surprised when we actually began to have a very substantive conversation about Nietzsche, and then other philosophers, and then philosophy in general, and then how most movies today sucked and how great movies like American Psycho and The Big Lebowski were.  She was pretty cute to, so it felt like a punch in the gut when she mentioned she was going back to Germany on Tuesday.

The point of the story is that there are people you can get the cathexis out of if you are just persistent!  Try and get involved in a diversity of social groups in different ways, and if some seem to be promising or working out for you stick with it.  Three or five years ago I felt just as hopeless as you did, but I managed to find some people that I could connect as I kept persevering.  Then again, most of the time you are going to run into people who want to talk about fucking Toy Story 3.

This might ease the pain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyWsFfd9pqE

Metal / Re: GRIDLINK recording "Orphan"
« on: July 05, 2010, 09:40:35 AM »
Why not put Discordance Axis in the Dark Legions Archive?

Metal / Re: Bands for Maryland Deathfest 2011 announced
« on: July 05, 2010, 09:38:55 AM »
I'm lookin forward to Exhorder of course, but also Wormed.  I was actually introduced to them when I first saw them live at MDF years ago.  They were the one band that I had no idea about going into it and managed to impress me live.  I checked out the album and it's pretty good.  I wouldn't compare them to Portal, they are a lot cleaner sounding, you know relatively.

I heard a rumor they tried to get Morbid Angel for 2010, but they wanted tens of thousands of dollars for it so...

Interzone / Re: "Freedom": revenge against those who want order
« on: June 04, 2010, 10:23:23 AM »

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