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Metal / Re: Metal albums sell strongly for decades
« on: October 04, 2007, 12:23:15 PM »
Look, you damn fool, you just don't get it. YOu see, the problem is you don't understand the advanced perception of the ANUS elite - their multi-tiered ontological system allows them to see that "rock music" is something entirely outside of metal, but also something within metal, depending on the circumstances.

Metal / Re: Immolation
« on: October 04, 2007, 11:43:31 AM »
Labeling the album as response to the Bush administration is way off the mark, and probably completely incorrect, although I do recall one song from the Hope and Horror disc that reads like some kind of rebuke against "the" war and foreign policy in general.

Shouldn't DEATH metal be in favour of war?

"Move forward" is kind of hipster talk, if you look at it. Forward in what way? In form? So what's more forward, making death metal out of the farts of insects?  

Move forward in content of course - Burzum was more "forward" in content compared to Bathory, _____ will be more "forward" in content than Burzum, etc.. The way modern music is disseminated is such that there is no real point in making anything which isn't an advance on what went before (in content as well, not just form); whereas as before recording allowing the music to be preserved virtually forever and the internet allowed it to be distributed to anyone and everyone at minimal cost there was a point in copying other artists, since most people would have been unable to hear the original, there is no point now. Modern technology spreads music so well that there is no need for lesser artists to help.

Metal / Re: Metal and religion?
« on: October 04, 2007, 10:25:33 AM »
The stars shone placidly in the dark-blue firmament, and I was amused at the thought that there once were sages who believed the heavenly bodies have a share in our wretched squabbles over a tiny territory or some other imaginary rights. Yet these lamps, which they thought had been lighted only to illuminate their battles and triumphs, still burn with undiminished brilliance, while their passions and hopes have long since died out together with them like a campfire left burning on the fringe of a forest by a careless wayfarer. But what strength of will they drew from the certainty that all the heavens with their numberless inhabitants looked down on them with constant though mute sympathy! Whereas we, their wretched descendents, who roam the earth without convictions or pride, without joys or fear other than the nameless dread that constricts the heart at the thought of the inevitable end, we are no longer capable of great sacrifices either for the good of mankind or even for our personal happiness, since we know that happiness is impossible; and we pass indifferently from one doubt to another just as our forebears floundered from one delusion to another, without the hopes they had and without even that vague but potent sense of joy the soul derives from any struggle with man or destiny . . .

http://www.ibiblio.org/eldritch/myl/hero.htm <read the novel, it's not very long and it's brilliant.

Personally I never really liked the whole going back to paganism idea in metal - Modern Christianity is deeply flawed, but so is paganism; the difference is that paganism can be romanticized because it's no longer a reality. I also dislike the idea which gets floated around here about "remaking religion", for the reason that it seems too "rational" and "pragmatic" to me. What I mean is that the really inspiring creations of religion were founded on irrationality, fanaticism and blind faith (did, for example, the crusades make any kind of sense at all?); similarly, the best metal was through blind irrational convictions. When Burzum, Darkthrone and Mayhem were creating their best material their position as put forth in interviews (I think) tended to be that of an outright worship of evil, an almost wholly irrational viewpoint to take (I haven't consulted any interviews to see if this is true; I think Vikernes' "transition" to paganism was fairly early. Bear in mind, however, that a lot of the songs were written quite a bit before the albums were released). The adherence to NS doctrines of many bands has a similar fanatical and irrational flavour to it - especially in the case of Eastern Europeans. What I always liked about black metal was the hatred and blind willfulness of the music, the way it seems to care nothing for the listener, for traditional musical rules or standards of musicianship (no it really isn't very classical in structure, although it is in spirit), for traditional standards of morality, even for logic. I think in a way the true bands DID accomplish the creation of new Gods - but that is something  which cannot be done knowingly, as thinking it through kills faith, religion's fuel. The only religion rationality can create is one produced for the masses by a ruling elite.

I apologise for the incoherence, I will attempt to put some of those ideas in a more logical (heh) form some other time. Enjoy the Lermontov.

Metal / Re: Modern Black Metal
« on: August 31, 2007, 05:44:50 AM »
Metal archives lists Veles - Black Hateful Metal as being released in 1997; I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this album yet. I find it to have a certain merciless harshness which a lot of the more recent black metal lacks. This isn't just aesthetic, although the grating production certainly helps, it's compositional too - take, for example, the remorseless repetition of the closing riff in The Dawn of New Empire over those alternating drum beats.

Some of the more listenable modern bands (eg. Ohtar) I find to be pretty much like pop music, not so much in the sense that their music resembles pop, but in the sense that I listen to it in the same way and for the same reasons that I imagine pop fans listen to music. To one habituated to the black metal aesthetic these bands are easily digestible, presenting familiar elements in a palatable form - the music becomes in a way a comfort blanket, listened to as a background hum that makes you feel good and reaffirms your self image (as a black metal fan, and hence special), when it should be a direct challenge to you and a stimulus to thought. I think that it is possible to fall into a habit of listening to even the best of black metal in this way also.

Metal / Re: Flowering of Swedish death metal
« on: June 21, 2007, 10:41:51 AM »
 How was 1988 before the three above-mentioned bands?

I thought those bands were a little later - my mistake.

On the topic of the thread in general, I've always found it difficult to get into that kind of music (At the Gates is maybe an exception due to the quality of the music). Yes, it's musically interesting, well played, well written and all that. It seems to me to lack, however, the seriousness and the spirit that the black metal bands had; in a way they sound somehow complacent, with no real urgency or force behind the music. Burzum sounds like a desperate rejection of a hated world, THerion sound like some musicians jamming out a load of cool riffs. Just my subjective opinion, and I'm not denying the possibility that Darkthrone and other bands were influenced by them (after all, as Kontinual pointed out, they started out playing this kind of music).

Metal / Re: Flowering of Swedish death metal
« on: June 20, 2007, 04:36:58 AM »
 I've always thought this genre really did open the door for black metal, because previously, it wasn't distinguishable from death metal except that (Venom, Sodom, Sarcofago) it was simple and kind of sucked musically.  

What about Bathory's Blood Fire Death? Released in 1988 (before the three abovementioned bands), a work which is clearly black metal, and black metal of a fairly advanced nature. Moreover, I can't remember ever reading of any black metal band citing this kind of music as an influence - indeed, didn't Darkthrone violently reject it? Maybe it was a case of parallel evolution rather than one genre being influenced by the other.

Metal / Re: Slayer's use of language
« on: May 06, 2007, 12:59:26 PM »
 For the second group, the words stemming from Latin (sophisticated English is basically all derived from Latin) are simply more entertaining to read (wow, what a crazy word!), listen to (they sound important) and decipher (many are not taught in school).  

That all applies to the first group too - words like abacinate and excoriate don't get taught to first language English speakers in school.

I see no reason why not to use a wider range of vocabulary. It doesn't seem pretentious to me, some words just work well.

There's using a wide range of vocabulary in a natural manner, and then there's going through the dictionary to find obscure latinate terms in order to sound cool, because your lyrics don't really mean anything. Burzum's lyrics are the most insightful of any metal band, and they are all in relatively simple language (not having any knowledge of Norwegian, I can't assess whether this is the case with the lyrics in the original - they certtainly tanslate into simple enough English, and the songs in English are simple enough, apart from the use of occult terms on the first album). Wasn't there some philosopher that said something about muddy pools?

Metal / Re: Why heavy metal threatens major labels
« on: April 13, 2007, 12:01:24 PM »
It's not like pop music, which requires ten hours of radio play for people to even notice it exists. It sells itself. The problem is that it doesn't toe the official line, at least until it sells out like Meatallica.

That article referred exclusively to bands that played what is basically pop music, only with long hair and guitars, not to good metal. This posting of any article which has the word metal in its title, even if it's about System of a Down or crap like that, and then claiming that this means the mainstream is taking notice of "us" is fucking retarded. The same goes for that smart kids like metal music article - a certain percentage (not a particularly high one - probably about the same as for all teenagers) of gifted children enjoyed something labelled as "heavy metal" (more likely to be Bon Jovi than Burzum) and it gets treated as if its definitive proof that listening to metal makes you more intelligent. These articles do not refer to music of value, or to music that has any but the most tenuous connection with what we listen to - they refer to a type of music and a subculture (the prefix sub- being particularly apt here) with which I do not want to be associated in any way whatsoever.

Metal / Re: Summoning
« on: April 12, 2007, 01:09:26 PM »
I prefer to listen to Summoning while I'm not in the woods, because it makes me think of the woods, but I prefer to listen to Burzum while I am in the woods, because it deepens my immersion and understanding of my surroundings

I used to listen to music when out walking, but increasngly, I prefer to listen to the sounds around me rather than some artificial soundtrack. Nice pictures, by the way, you're lucky to have access to such areas.

Metal / Re: Enslaved - Eld ...Some thoughts.
« on: January 12, 2007, 02:15:15 AM »
All of the tracks apart from the first sound like they were written to a formula - here's the heavy part, here's the breakdown with clean vocals, here's the outro riff, etc. - and there's very little variation between the tracks compared with Vikinglir Veldi, Hordanes Land, and, to a lesser extent, Frost. It makes alright background music, but doesn't compare to their earlier efforts.

Metal / Re: Is tape trading dead?
« on: December 31, 2006, 01:39:55 AM »
Not really. There are tons of classics that are far below the radars of the MP3 generation.

Such as? Anyway, why not just rip them to flac and post them on the internet, rather than going through all the hassle of dubbing cassette tapes and sending them through the post?

Metal / Re: Sacramentum
« on: December 28, 2006, 02:22:46 PM »
I'm listening to Finis Malorum (my favourite recording by the band) right now, and it strikes me that, while this music is very good, it's just a little bit too one dimensional emotionally, in that every song has that same slightly melancholy yet triumphant feeling, which becomes wearing after a while. There's not enough uncertainty or darkness in the music - it's almost saccharine, perhaps even "poppy", which keeps it from being truly first class black metal.

Interzone / Re: Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends
« on: December 15, 2006, 05:13:00 AM »
If you have trouble with "eugenic posting policy," we'll clear it up for you right now: posts with no informational value go away.

But not posts like this one?

Tomorrow is the 5 year anniversary of the Death frontman's AIDS related passing.
Don't forget to remind the simpering sheep of the metal community that Chuck was a traitor at every opportunity (and, it's a great way to promote the site in the process!).

What the hell is the point of all the Chuck Schuldiner bashing? It's just unproductive and childish.

Metal / Re: Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
« on: December 06, 2006, 06:24:18 AM »
In the Nightside Eclipse is damn near perfect, both in terms of the production and the music. I can't see how you can say it's overblown, since musically it's fairly simple (unlike their later work, which seems to be full of elaborate and pointless flourishes), and the only thing about it which is even vaguely cheesy is the use of choir synth sounds (which are actually used in a fairly restrained way).

Metal / Re: Is tape trading dead?
« on: December 03, 2006, 05:22:56 AM »
however there is one undeniable advantage to using tapes, many bands have early albums and demos that were never re released for cds

Surely everything actually worth listening has been transferred to a digital format by now? Really, does anyone actually need to listen to demos by obscure bands who all sound much the same? I could quite happily narrow my metal collection down to about 20 albums, all of which could be downloaded from the audiofile section on this site in a single afternoon.

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