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It's odd to see these takes on whether or not bands took risks and changed. All of this regarding mainstream bands:

Mastodon seemed to take one of the biggest risks of the bands mentioned, going from being a groovy band with catchy, conventional song structures to putting out one heavily influenced by 70s prog rock with many longer, more explorative songs. It's interesting that the risk was to wear old influences on their sleeves, to go towards rock, but to sound more like Yes than modern pop rock that is often blended with their style.

The mention of Machine Head is amusing. Their reinvention was basically to sandwich lousy, overlong, directionless solos between 3-4 minute mallcore songs. The band has always been a D-rate trend follower, from their Pantera worship, hilariously picturesque nu-metal, and now their shitty mallcore groove/thrash stuff. I suppose it's a risk to have four 9-10 minute songs that are basically three different styles mashed together, but it's funny to think of it as a "risk" that the band basically did everything they've done before, stuck haphazardly end-to-end.

Why don't these types of bands take risks? The record industry has become a more exact science in how they're trying to earn money, and one "risk" for many of these bands means they can no longer make a living touring on their music. The record labels don't want bands to shut themselves away and manifest their artistic endeavor over however long it takes. Record labels want to pair a band with one of a handful of metal producers who make everything sound similar, or if they're big enough, a mainstream rock producer. They get a few weeks to churn it out, then they're back to the road to grind it out there.

Look at recent examples. Shadows Fall sold half a million copies of "The War Within" then signed to a major label, took a step towards catchier hard rock, and fell off the corporate wagon. 24k albums sold in the US in the first week was a disappointment when they were trying to market themselves as a pop band. Meanwhile, their comrades Killswitch Engage never took that big leap, they just gradually refined their songwriting in a similar direction while never alienating their core fanbase. They've steadily build themselves to be the premiere band of the style, while Shadows Fall look poised to do the same or more a few albums ago.

The lesson? Even if you're just leaning towards pop, not making unprecedented leaps in extremity, taking risks is going to take a huge toll on your career. Nearly all of the bands on NB/CM/MB/etc follow the same model to try to make a living off of their music, and they need to put out an album every few years, tour the cycles - if they break the cycle, they're going to need to look for a career change.

Metal / Re: Gender in metal
« on: March 22, 2014, 03:46:57 PM »
Have there been any (modern) genres of music pioneered by females? I can't think of any off the top of my head. Also, copying a preexisting genre and making the lyrics about stupid "women's issues" doesn't count (riot girl).

Lisa Gerrard of Dead Can Dance, one of the two primary songwriters of the group. The neoclassical darkwave style they grew into on "Within the Realm of the Dying Sun" was quite good, as well as one of the major influences of the darker ambient passages in Burzum's music.

Metal / Re: How to make metalcore in your home
« on: February 20, 2014, 05:28:10 PM »
No! No! No! That's not the right kind of drop A chugging!  :(

Metal / Re: Most black metal is fake
« on: January 24, 2014, 10:47:11 AM »
It's about the orthodox/theistic satanism crap, especially the prayers on an album. The whole ritual/prayer thing is a stupid gimmick and their music is tech-death/mathcore twisted into black metal. I find the music aggressively boring.

I hear you. I can't disagree except in opinion. The music is very engaging to me.

Actually, I think DSO calling themselves black metal is a disservice to themselves. Then again, there are those people who think that black metal is just music about Satan, in which case DSO would be taking the genre to its logical extreme. But if we define black metal by technique and purpose, DSO is some mutation of metalcore.

Is it a logical extreme? Black metal has never really been about theistic Satanism, but Satanism was invoked as a concept that laymen could understand. It quickly became a casual stay of laymen in black metal, but it was essentially a conceptual gateway, an appeal to the layman's understanding of it, not an orthodox, theistic, or literal religion. The logical path was to abandon this as its meaning was distorted and lost. It's a farce, no more than an aesthetic or fashion statement. For fucks sake, the year before DSO decided to really pick up the "Orthodox Satanism" nonsense, Anthrax had an album cover of them with pentacles on their chests. Satanism was a farce that became an even more trivial gimmick and joke, and these clowns took the joke too seriously.

Satanism is mythology, not ideology. Imprecation's latest album invokes it properly.

Metal / Re: Most black metal is fake
« on: January 22, 2014, 11:27:55 PM »
It's about the orthodox/theistic satanism crap, especially the prayers on an album. The whole ritual/prayer thing is a stupid gimmick and their music is tech-death/mathcore twisted into black metal. I find the music aggressively boring.

Metal / Re: Most black metal is fake
« on: January 20, 2014, 10:37:13 AM »
Apparently this guy has some kind of melodic heavy metal band and they're relatively well known, but I've never heard them.

Melodic heavy metal-turned black metal like Dissection, of course, they just don't do it well. Similar to Deathspell Omega, Watain decided that the ideological ends of black metal were in showmanship and ego - taking themselves way too seriously - making their statement in pictures and press releases rather than building it into their music. Watain's music is mediocre and derivative, but their shtick draws likeness to Dissection to an undiscerning listener, and with their frontman being the live bassist for Dissection for a couple shows, that's all the connection needed to paint a second-rate knockoff as the successor to something that is dead.

He makes a very common point about discerning taste in black metal, and many people see it from different angles. However, his angle is pretty much like Christian rock where the only thing that matters is pasting the right icons and namedropping the right fellow in your music with a matching aesthetic. It's like Cannibal Corpse making casually listenable music while their primary attraction is their fashion sense.

Metal / Re: Power Metal
« on: December 19, 2013, 07:59:14 PM »
The power/heavy metal scene/fanbase in Germany took off in the late 80s/early 90s extreme metal rose elsewhere, it solidified as the same styles fell out of popular favor and nearly disappeared in America. Manowar solidified their reputation here - charting top 10 in 1992+96 and selling 250k+ copies of a few albums in the early 90s. There was a responsive fanbase there that supported bands and offered the theater for the audience they needed to sustain their spirit. Germany has been a great place for metal for many years now, still supporting 80s USPM bands to a much greater extent that the US does.

Despite the strength of the scene in Germany, the US had an expansive and unrivaled variety of amazing heavy/power/speed metal bands in the 80s. In the limelight, they existed in the shadow of mediocre cover/butt rock bands of the time, but there was quite a diversity of amazing bands from places far from the major scenes in LA, SF, and NYC.  Of interest to the DMU philosphy, there were a lot of bands who really captured the spirit and ideologies of heavy metal in their own ways, and often saw little success, sometimes even no distribution until the file-sharing age. Of course, this is mostly outside of the nihilist/dm/bm scope that has been focused on, it hasn't really been on this site's agenda, I suppose.

There were bands who came out of all parts of the huge country: Manilla Road came out of Kansas and I'm sure you all know them. Shok Paris and Black Death from Cleveland, Ohio, Enchanter from Jackson, Michigan, Fates Warning and Liege Lord from Connecticut, Queensryche and Heir Apparent from Washington, Crimson Glory and Savatage from Florida, Powerlord from Oklahoma... the list goes on. There was great diversity in geographically separated bands, they weren't homogenized like bands in LA were to an extent, and even then, a scene like LA could support a nerdy sword-and-sorcery fantasy band like Cirith Ungol who did things there own way and were absolutely killer and top-notch, despite being radio-unfriendly. At the same time, there were also thrash and doom coming up in the US, and there was overlap in the scenes. Death metal evolved at the same time too - Possessed's "Seven Churches" Fates Warning's "The Spectre Within" came out within a day of each other.

Manzer - Light of the Wreckers

Black/thrash going on heavy metal, I'm not sure how to describe it concisely but it's great.

Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 02, 2013, 09:11:31 AM »
Are they more inaccurate on "progressive" or "metal"?

0peth are 'progressive' in relation to rock, perhaps. They are not 'progressive' in relation to metal.

'Progression' is relative to genre, I would have thought.

Periphery are extremely progressive for mallcore. That means the list is more inaccurate about what is metal.

Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 01, 2013, 03:50:26 PM »
Are they more inaccurate on "progressive" or "metal"?

Metal / Reviews labeled with incorrect years
« on: November 27, 2013, 04:40:47 PM »
There's a few of these with the wrong years on them. Could be more than these.

Listed as 1991, was recorded in December 1993 and the band's website lists the release as 1994.

Listed as 1991, was released in 1992.

Listed as 1991, I believe this was one released in 1993. IIRC the band formed after Profanatica split.

Metal / Re: Metalhead watches
« on: November 26, 2013, 05:34:02 PM »
Silly posers, didn't they know that Bathory records are the only true metal fashion accessory?

Metal / Re: Decibel 100 best black metal albums
« on: November 26, 2013, 05:32:50 PM »
Well at least it's better than the article about Metal Archives where they whined about Between the Buried and Me not being on the site.

Metal / Re: Shadow Kingdom Records year in review
« on: November 26, 2013, 05:29:44 PM »
Shadow Kingdom is a great label that has done a great job of getting quality releases of classic heavy metal and extensions of that.

Metal / Re: David Vincent (Morbid Angel) on occultism
« on: November 19, 2013, 09:19:43 AM »
I wonder where they are now  in term of occulism with their new album?

Ritual sacrifice of law enforcement officers.

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