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Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 10:16:06 PM »
I have never done any such thing. I have never even argued negatively with anyone on this forum except yourself, and only about what I perceive to be your own dismissive and destructive behaviour (which makes Wild's cryptic "Yes" completely unfathomable). I mostly try to be completely non-confrontational. My posting history is public, if you are able to point something out I would be glad to address it. I have no desire to stir shit up for its own sake and will quietly leave shortly. I do not take this forum for granted at all, I simply would not bother if that was the case. But do point something out before you cast further aspertions.

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Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 09:51:50 PM »
Quote from: Wild
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I am fallot/trystero, yes. No, I have not been against crow from the beginning. A member was banned, I was irked and expressed this. Subsequently I was banned as well. At this point I left things alone for months. The pattern continued: Calling out people that didnt exist for behaviour that was not occuring, then treating those who objected as that problem in the first place and silencing them.

I dont think I ever agreed with Transcix on anything, but I dont think he should have been banned. Especially not if anyone has an issue with diversity of opinion here. Umbrage was also a good poster, as are BillHopkins and Tral. If you consider these people problem posters then we have nothing to talk about as I dont consider any of these to have a negative effect on discourse here or preventing any kind of positive work.

Who was responsible for the original complaint?. That being there are posters here who create an unwelcome atmosphere, stifling conversation and preventing lurkers from speaking up? As for productive output, could you be a little more precise here? Articles on the deathmetal.org website? I already engage in "propaganda" unless you are referring to site-based stuff. Really this is very vague and nothing that has not already been happening surely? Also, we are not all on the same page when it comes to the non-metal aspects of this place, can a forum exist if it is only considered a recruiting ground for certain political goals?

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Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 08:00:14 PM »
Let's consider the following:

crow has been granted admin powers over the forum by Brett, who has supported him in his efforts thus far. There's nothing to indicate Brett would suddenly revoke this. Complaining about crow's presence has so far achieved nothing for you. In fact, it is part of a wider system of behavior which is leading Brett to consider closing the forum, which you claim to care about a great deal.

It may be time to re-examine cause & effect.

My friend I have only spoken up recently regarding this, when multiple bannings and unsubstantiated claims about the behaviour of forum users have reached a fever pitch. I have no illusions about achieving anything, but I also could not simply leave it alone for reasons I have already elaborated on. Are you able to demonstrate this wider system of behaviour? Remember that from the earliest, claims were made about conduct and creating an unwelcome environment for lurkers who would otherwise post. I have no intention of influencing Brett to remove these admin powers, I just think the entire thing was a mistake start to finish, an attempt to solve a problem that did not exist. Are you hinting at me being a problem poster outside of this saga?

Once again, if you are aware of any problem posters, I would like you to name them. This is not a challenge, simply a desire for me to be informed. I dont mind at all that conversation would circle entirely around crow, I have found plenty of his posts to have valuable insight.

Lets say I, or any other person that raised an issue regarding crow shut up or disappeared, would that address the complaints in the OP? Would that change anything regarding "useful" output from the forum? Also, could you please answer that as well? What kind of impact do you believe a forum like this can realistically have? What is not being done that can be?

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Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 07:02:33 PM »
The only echo chamber here is caused by those who use the term "echo chamber".

The first post in this thread explained that a major problem with this forum has been that little contribution has emerged from it.

Then certain people show up and say that's perfectly normal, nothing wrong with that, and add they can't think of any problem posters (other than blaming crow).

Hmm...

Until crow was introduced into the ecosystem, forum "discussion" consisted—in essence for years at a time—of folks endlessly sharing viewpoints that the active forum community already believed.  The "discussion" was congenial and (for the web) erudite, but a congenial, erudite circle jerk is still a circle jerk.  Bring back Nile577.

You must be joking. Post introduction, all communication was overwhelmed by his presence eventually. Also it is entirely "on-message" stuff so that leaves me even more confused as to what you are saying. Most importantly, no one objects to the content.

Wild, if you know of a problem poster, I would like you to name them, please. My assessment of the situation may well be wrong, but I have not seen anything concrete to refute it from anyone. As for what has emerged from the forum, could you provide an example of what could realistically emerge from the forum in terms of accomplishment? There is too much vagueness to this whole business.

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Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 01:30:27 PM »
I'm amazed that not many among you are prepared to admit just what a tremendous loss the end of this forum would be.

I was similarly amazed but then considered that professing attachment to a forum might not sit well with some. Understand though, that what you and I consider value is apparently nothing in the eyes of the owner. Which is confusing and should be elaborated on in clear language, but unfortunately we have to wait a few weeks.

A forum is not going to change the world except in little ways, we take what we gain from here and apply it to our lives. A forum is not going to be anything more than a social club for the like-minded. It is that almost by definition. Those little things are enormously valuable in my opinion though, but not in everyone's.

The forums have undergone several "purges" at this point - of members, and content. Not long ago, crow had a thread lauding the state of the forum and its members. What happened between then and now, exactly?

Nothing.

That lasted barely a day I think. I keep repeating that the whole thing is a delusion. This person has become used to being persecuted and driven out, by his own admission, and only sees this mentality everywhere. On one of the few places where he is likely to gain traction or at least tolerance, he ends up creating a divide and a problem anyway. Part of it was giving such a person admin tools. There were never enough posters to be problem posters. I know each and every one of you is at least smart, and somewhat awakened to the world no matter what we may disagree on. I cant name a single (not one), "problem poster", or "neckbeard", at least not for the last 5+ years or so.

I have my own theories about the whole saga (the why, not the what), lets just say I think it ultimately takes root from the ANUS Criticism thread. That was fairly heated if anyone recalls. Brett (who does not really read the forums) got the wrong idea from it, perhaps compounded by frustration that Things (tm) were not Happening (tm). He puts crow in charge to get rid of a problem that doesnt exist and he eagerly obliges. Eventually we reach the current stage. It really is just comedy, I would laugh if I didnt have a personal stake in this place.

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Metal / Re: Immersion in Darkness
« on: February 27, 2014, 12:41:26 PM »
Track in the first post was great, thank you. I cant stand purely ambient music for too long though, it misses the point of music for me. Or rather, I should say it distills the point of music so much that it ends up being threadbare.

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Metal / Re: Power Metal
« on: February 25, 2014, 10:19:08 PM »
Today, Lost Horizon gets my full attention.

Unfortunately, as I am sure you have already realized, it is still "late period" power metal. This is no Adramelch, but if you can somewhat tolerate Blind Guardian then I am sure you will enjoy it. Fortunately it is chock full of good riffs and has quite decent lyrics. The singer is brilliant and the guitarist has some real flair outside technicality. Some great melodic solos, particularly the one that closes the final "epic" track Kingdom of My Will. I know exactly what you mean by the way Tree, this is actually the reason I cannot stand a lot of otherwise decent power metal.

Despite what I have written above, Lost Horizon is different from the bands in that old deathmetal.org power metal article. I imagine that is because of the extreme metal roots of the string musicians. I wont say they are at a different level, but they do stand out.

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Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 25, 2014, 05:16:06 AM »
I think the same thing has happened here, and crow called people on it, and they got bitter.

No matter how many times this is repeated, it wont become true. A strange us vs. them has developed amongst contributing, intelligent users. Real nihilists vs. Fake nihilists, imposed by immediate exclusion. Name names (this goes for everyone) and see if you can demonstrate this before you take a step on its basis. Take more than a glance. There is value in this forum and it was there before crow, during and will be after if it persists. Do not consider yourself immune to an echo chamber of opinion.

What exactly is it that you want? In concrete terms. Do you want people to assist you with the running of the website? Whatever it is, state it as goals, in simple language. I am personally willing to do whatever you require as long as it is within my power.

Whatever it is you want or will do, please stop falsely blaming good people for whatever problems you see. It only reflects poorly on you. There are no kvlt neckbeards here. I watched this play out closely, and my own first negative response was after a user was banned mid-contribution, mid-explanation. Are any even agreeing that they observe a problem or just repeating your words back at you (If you see a problem, solve it i.e.)? With the threat of an instant ban, who will be honest except in an enormously guarded fashion?

I have gained a lot personally from this forum and would be very sad to see it go, especially over something as ridiculous as these events. That is my only argument. It is the only one I can give honestly. Nevertheless ultimately you run it and may dispense with it as you please. If it detracts too much from actual work then I would say your hands are tied.

P.S.: Who exactly said copy-crow? What was the context it was stated in? I have only seen it stated once, by Vigilance to Tree. Vigilance seems to still be around. It was a non-event (until...). The next step was an angry, threatening thread that referenced it and now it is on everybody`s lips? This is the kind of strangeness I see, disparaging decent people is what I bristled at in the first place (and am still doing). Did I miss something? Is it instead endemic?

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Metal / Re: Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: February 24, 2014, 01:55:34 PM »
Why would he be banned?

Imposition I wanted to talk about track 2. The main riff has a little variation in it that pops up first at 0:05s. Throughout the song I was sort of expecting this to turn into something. I think you could have built up a section of the song after the solo around this, turn it into a new (longer) riff from that note, a concluding one, the centerpiece or climax of the song. I like this track a lot but it ends too quick with much left unsaid. I know this has been mentioned before, but I wanted to reiterate that its not just that the songs feel incomplete / cut off, they dont have a transition or resolution that really hooks you. IMO you should try and construct some and add them to these songs, something with desperate feeling (ref: Skald av Satans Sol, nawmean? SKAAAALD, AAAAV). I apologize if this is too presumptuous.

Also, I had a question, how long have you been playing guitar? Like `cide said, your sound is great, perfect even.

Edit: To reiterate how much I like this song, 2:47 when the mostly musical part of your solo concludes gave me a literal shiver. Nice.

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