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Chasm / Re: Liberalism causes terrorism
« on: April 20, 2013, 03:05:59 AM »
Indeed. Likewise, delusion and decadence of liberalism also enables oligarchy, fascism, totalitarianism, and tyranny, in response to the disorder, dysfunction, and terror.
“I am the punishment of God. If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” - Ghenkis Khan
“I am the punishment of God. If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.” - Ghenkis Khan
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Chasm / Re: New high brow Conservative wiki
« on: February 15, 2013, 10:40:46 PM »
No Wiki or information center/source of any sort will ever be unbiased. And you know what? It's okay.
Less than 10% of humans are of the enlightened caliber of mind as to be able to simultaneously entertain multiple worldviews from disparate sources whilst integrating them into whatever cohesive whole or conclusions may come.
We don't need fair and balanced. We need sane and logical. The top 9% don't need unbiased information sources, because they can easily weed out the quality and unbiased information bits from even the most low quality, biased sources.
All that matters in this Disinformation Age is that intelligent persons get information out there for those top 9% to read in a clear, concise manner, so that they can be on the same page, and take power.
Less than 10% of humans are of the enlightened caliber of mind as to be able to simultaneously entertain multiple worldviews from disparate sources whilst integrating them into whatever cohesive whole or conclusions may come.
We don't need fair and balanced. We need sane and logical. The top 9% don't need unbiased information sources, because they can easily weed out the quality and unbiased information bits from even the most low quality, biased sources.
All that matters in this Disinformation Age is that intelligent persons get information out there for those top 9% to read in a clear, concise manner, so that they can be on the same page, and take power.
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Chasm / Re: Drugs are for depressed people, period.
« on: November 15, 2012, 08:34:10 PM »
We can separate drug use into two categories: (1) entertaining/distracting/escaping/addictive experience and (2) learning/transformative experience. In the context of the comparatively rare second category then, drugs are simply passive meditation.
Active meditation comes in the form of meditation proper, as well as in the form of serious engagement in truly inspired and well-crafted art, music, novels, etc. All of the above are at best gateways to alternate dimensions of reality or alternate states of consciousness.
These experiences can be highly pleasurable, intriguing, mind-opening, and life-changing. However, they aren't to be valued too highly. They are merely some of the initial steps on the stair way to heaven.
Don't stop short. Just keep climbing.
Active meditation comes in the form of meditation proper, as well as in the form of serious engagement in truly inspired and well-crafted art, music, novels, etc. All of the above are at best gateways to alternate dimensions of reality or alternate states of consciousness.
These experiences can be highly pleasurable, intriguing, mind-opening, and life-changing. However, they aren't to be valued too highly. They are merely some of the initial steps on the stair way to heaven.
Don't stop short. Just keep climbing.
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Chasm / Re: Drugs are for depressed people, period.
« on: November 13, 2012, 08:18:25 PM »
Like most things, drug use correlates with intelligence (which is not merely IQ but also character).
After you have gone through your exploratory/experimental phase (33 years old), grade yourself:
A: Does no drugs.
B: Smokes a joint about four times a year for added alternative insight.
C: Smokes a joint about once a week and is not entirely sure why anymore.
D: Does most anything at the party, man!!1
F: Sucks penis to get more.
After you have gone through your exploratory/experimental phase (33 years old), grade yourself:
A: Does no drugs.
B: Smokes a joint about four times a year for added alternative insight.
C: Smokes a joint about once a week and is not entirely sure why anymore.
D: Does most anything at the party, man!!1
F: Sucks penis to get more.
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Chasm / Re: This guy is a 'traditionalist' and he is a wanker...
« on: October 30, 2012, 02:16:20 PM »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20nuTITfhko
I could be wrong but he seems to be an authority...
See particularly from 21:00
"in scientism there is no place for consciousness, no place for humans to feel like the universe is constructed for them and stroking their egos bla bla bla, evolution is psudo-religion, fap fap".."we have descended from the perfect archetype". No room for transcendence at all with stupidity like this. Give me evolution.
In fact, science can 'redisover the sacred', which is a phrase this guy parrots about regularly, by realising we are permeated with the same energy as suns and that, possibly, something has come from nothing.
Hey man,
I watched the video twice, and, well...
I never once heard him say or imply there there is "no place for humans to feel like the universe is constructed for them and stroking their egos".
Nor did I ever hear him say or imply that "evolution is pseudo-religion".
Could you perhaps point to where he said those things?
Also, why should we value, honor, respect, revere (or consider sacred) a physical (whether by form of matter or energy) connection between things, between us and things, and between us and others when there is already a much more fundamental connection between all things and all of us: a causal connection.
And, I could be wrong here, but I think we already know that something cannot ever come from nothing. This is because there is no such thing as nothing. It is a logical impossibility, like a married bachelor, or a square circle.
cheers
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Chasm / Re: The best book on Nietszche i've come across. Nietzsche elevated alongside Plato.
« on: September 29, 2012, 04:40:42 PM »
Plato is always worth discussing. 
Some key readings...
Contemporary Distortions of Plato's Dialectic
http://www.hermes-press.com/dialectic_distortions.htm
The Dialectic in Plato's Republic
http://openingmind.com/pdfs/010_The_Dialectic_in_Plato.pdf
The Truth about Leo Strauss: Political Philosophy and American Democracy
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/993329.html

Some key readings...
Contemporary Distortions of Plato's Dialectic
http://www.hermes-press.com/dialectic_distortions.htm
The Dialectic in Plato's Republic
http://openingmind.com/pdfs/010_The_Dialectic_in_Plato.pdf
The Truth about Leo Strauss: Political Philosophy and American Democracy
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/993329.html
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Commerce / Preview of concept album tracing nine civilizations
« on: August 12, 2012, 09:55:41 PM »You've taught me a lot.
Goin' now.
Will be back in 3 - 5 years with some recorded material for ya'll to critique.
Hello,
Stopping by to leave an early preview. Our first song, "Atlantis", is more or less complete. Computer program rough draft instrumentals only (not final recording):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyRJRuNlezA
Concept album on nine cities/civilizations/cultures throughout history (and mythology). Objectively traces the rise, apex, hubris, and fall of (and subjectively immerses in intense and dramatic detail) the Assyrian, Greek, Roman, Mongol, Egyptian, Persian, Ottoman, Norse, and of course, Atlantis. Meant for new listeners of metal: beginner heavy metal (more advanced black metal album to follow... in several years...). A little boring and very amateur at this stage, but we are brand new to this game. Still pushing past hobby to professional metal (while starting a full-time business / finishing grad school / finishing a novel -.-). We need a couple more years. Hope you enjoy the preview and please do leave critique and insult. Might have an actually finished preview in a few months. 'Til then...
thanks
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Chasm / Thanks everyone
« on: April 28, 2012, 10:04:15 PM »
You've taught me a lot.
Goin' now.
Will be back in 3 - 5 years with some recorded material for ya'll to critique.
'Til then...
Goin' now.
Will be back in 3 - 5 years with some recorded material for ya'll to critique.
'Til then...
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Metal / Re: Composition difficulties.
« on: April 28, 2012, 09:30:21 PM »Quote
Extreme youth when it is healthy is bold and fearless, and not a little inclined to rebel against tradition, however rooted in the long assent of men.
And here, gentlemen, I would not be misunderstood.
Steeped as I am to my innermost marrow in reverence for the mighty men of the past to whom Art owes whatever true sublimity it boasts; convinced, unshakably, of the vital validity of the great principles on which their achievements rest, I am yet not one of those who would refuse to Art all power of evolution, or who believe that, though assuredly it will never reach more lofty summits, it may not send forth lateral green shoots fresh and delightful as only they are, indeed, nourished from the strong sap of the parent stem. In brief, I do not believe -- to change the metaphor -- that they who, in our time, have wedded their lives to art have clasped to their breasts a lovely but lifeless corpse.
To the very young then, I would fain offer one or two matters for thought, if, perchance, they will hearken to one who has grown old in unwavering sympathy with their struggles and doubts.
I would beg them to keep ever before their eyes the vital truth that sincerity is the well-spring of all lasting achievement, and that no good thing ever took root in untruth or self-deception.
I would urge them to remember that if every excellent work is stamped with the personality of its author, no work can be enduring that is stamped with a borrowed stamp; and that, therefore, their first duty is to see that the thoughts, the emotions, the impressions they fix on he canvas are in very truth their own thoughts, their own emotions, their own spontaneous impressions, and not those of others: for work that does not spring from the heart has no roots, and will of certainty wither and perish.
The other maxim also I would urge on them - that true genius knows no hurry, that patience is of its essence, and thoroughness its constant mark; and, lastly, I would ask them to believe that the gathered experience of past ages is a precious heritage and not an irksome load; and that nothing will fortify them better for the future, and free development, than the reverent and loving study of the past.
- Frederic Leighton
Applies to composers and songwriters.
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Chasm / Re: Ugly women
« on: April 28, 2012, 09:21:29 PM »Wow.. the last thing I expected y'all to get humanistic about was ugly women.
On the contrary, your posts are filled to the brim with humanism.
Instead of going beyond the petty world of human sexuality, you're remaining entrapped by it.
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Chasm / Re: Ugly women
« on: April 27, 2012, 05:05:45 PM »
diesel,
While I do agree that most great things have been done by men, and that women overall are less logical and more egotistical, and not just by nurture but also by nature, you're behavior here is precisely that.
You're being illogical when you say: "The function of woman is physical attraction, thus unattractive women are dysfunctional and useless, thus should not exist." It would be more logical (and honest) if you instead say: "The function of woman for me is physical attraction, thus unattractive women are dysfunctional and useless to me, thus there is no reason for me to include them in my life." Indeed, attractiveness is not the absolute function of woman, even if biologically and culturally she is made to be so. Any half-way decent Nietzschean and nihilist and logical person should know that!
You're being egotistical in that you're turning women into an aesthetic and sexual object, a thing to have and want. What if women want to be something other? And again, what if men want women to be something other? I, for one, don't care what a woman looks like. I have no need for her to be physically attractive.
So, I'm not saying you're a sexist or misogynist or oppressor of women. You're probably a cool guy and all. I'm merely pointing out that you're behaving exactly like the women you find useless. Thus, not to threaten, but merely to continue your own line of reasoning all the way: Why, diesel, should you exist?
While I do agree that most great things have been done by men, and that women overall are less logical and more egotistical, and not just by nurture but also by nature, you're behavior here is precisely that.
You're being illogical when you say: "The function of woman is physical attraction, thus unattractive women are dysfunctional and useless, thus should not exist." It would be more logical (and honest) if you instead say: "The function of woman for me is physical attraction, thus unattractive women are dysfunctional and useless to me, thus there is no reason for me to include them in my life." Indeed, attractiveness is not the absolute function of woman, even if biologically and culturally she is made to be so. Any half-way decent Nietzschean and nihilist and logical person should know that!
You're being egotistical in that you're turning women into an aesthetic and sexual object, a thing to have and want. What if women want to be something other? And again, what if men want women to be something other? I, for one, don't care what a woman looks like. I have no need for her to be physically attractive.
So, I'm not saying you're a sexist or misogynist or oppressor of women. You're probably a cool guy and all. I'm merely pointing out that you're behaving exactly like the women you find useless. Thus, not to threaten, but merely to continue your own line of reasoning all the way: Why, diesel, should you exist?
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Chasm / Re: Philosophy classes
« on: April 27, 2012, 04:23:35 PM »As far as philosophy, you need some rigorous state of mind or you end up in hipster territory.
Indeed, it seems the consumer culture has infiltrated even philosophy (as if academic philosophy did not already have enough problems).
Now we have hordes of people taking up philosophy as a means to aggrandize the self and justify a lifestyle.
Truth exploring is passe. Idea shopping is in.
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Informative interview with Chris Hedges, author of:
American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America (2006),
When Atheism Becomes Religion (2008),
Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle (2009),
& Death of the Liberal Class (2010).
Exposes corporate exploitation, war profiteering, the rise of consumers and the fall of producers, and more.
Critiques New Atheists, liberals, Christians, neoconservatives, and more.
Watch at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zotYU21qcU
Unfortunately... a supporter of Occupy Wall Street... -.-
American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America (2006),
When Atheism Becomes Religion (2008),
Empire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle (2009),
& Death of the Liberal Class (2010).
Exposes corporate exploitation, war profiteering, the rise of consumers and the fall of producers, and more.
Critiques New Atheists, liberals, Christians, neoconservatives, and more.
Watch at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zotYU21qcU
Unfortunately... a supporter of Occupy Wall Street... -.-
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Chasm / Re: Educators
« on: April 21, 2012, 01:46:00 AM »Quote
Diet of Grapes
Once upon a time, in the days of long ago, there was a wise and powerful prince, who lived within a walled estate. His palace was surrounded by orchards and gardens, and he was generally thought, because he did not explain his actions, to be uncaring of the people's interests, and neglectful of his duty to strive to improve himself. Those people who were considered wise were unable to understand him, and spoke against him. Those who knew little about him thought that he was bereft of qualities. Those who wished to curry favour praised him; but since such people are generally superficialists, this did not extend his repute far.
Now the territory in which this prince lived was, as is the way of life, attacked by barbarians, who successively reduced the neighbouring principalities until they were fast approaching his own. Time and again the prince sent messages to the other rulers, asking them to ally themselves with him against the invaders, but such was their arrogance, their ignorance of him, or their other tendencies that they took no heed.
This behaviour on the part of his neighbours did not seem to distress the prince. All he said was, 'The burden of wisdom is almost too much to bear. I have, as a truthful man, been forced to tell them that I have to be their leader if the war is to be won in co-operation with them. Naturally they will not accept such a condition. Therefore the only option is to wait until the Second Stage.'
The barbarians continued to advance, until those who had been opposing them, in ever-increasing numbers, fell back upon the domain of our prince to make a last stand. They were the remnants of the knights and soldiers of every one of the vanquished princes.
Thus it was that one day when the prince was resting, his minister approached him and said: 'We have been unable to prevent the remnants of the defending armies from climbing the walls of the Domain, in their flight. They are now huddled in the vineyards, covered in mud and blood, in the last stages of exhaustion.'
The prince raised his head. 'And what else?' he asked.
'And,' continued the minister, 'they are too exhausted even to eat or to attend to their wounds. They are now lying fast asleep, like dead men, while the enemy masses without.'
'Very well,' said the prince, 'now you have made your report, you may withdraw. Return to me the day after tomorrow, to describe conditions then.'
The minister, though knowing that his master was possessed of wisdom, wondered why the prince did not take some action to defend the domain, but, like a good servant, made his salutation and withdrew.
Two days later he again approached the prince and said: 'Lord of Princeliness I have come as instructed.'
'Give me your report,' answered the prince.
'The exhausted warriors,' said the minister, 'have now slept for two days.'
'And what are they doing?' the prince asked.
'They are now so famished that they are devouring grass, leaves and raw grapes.'
'Very good,' said the prince. 'Return in a further day and give me an account of conditions.'
The next day the minister announced: 'High Presence! The lords, warriors and ordinary people who fled to our domain are now eating the ripe grapes, having restored themselves somewhat.'
'Continue your report tomorrow, at midday,' said his master.
The day after, the minister said, 'The refugees are now selecting the best grapes and eating them'.
'Excellent,' said the prince. 'Now call them to me, and I shall prepare them for the victory against the barbarians, for they are ready. Before this, they were in no condition to struggle, and had to get what nutrition they could from us. If we leave it any later, they will be so sated that they will start to argue among themselves, and will not listen to us. Prepare for victory!'
And that is the tale of the wise prince whose actions nobody understood. When the final battle came, and the barbarians were slaughtered, the victorious army fell out with one another. Returning to their own lands, their historians wrote conflicting accounts of what had passed.
All accounts had this in common: they misunderstood the prince.
Reposted from hermes-press.com
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Chasm / Re: Nietzsche and Nihilism, Metaphysics
« on: April 16, 2012, 08:17:22 AM »While this site gains its modern footing from Nietzsche, its fundamental viewpoint is Platonic monism. That negates nothing in Nietzsche and in fact enhances it. Traditionalism is the next logical step after Nietzsche; Traditionalism as influenced by Germanic Idealism (Kant, Schopenhauer) and Plato is the next step after that.
How is harking back to the past the next logical step after Nietzsche, who, like you say:Quotesaid that god is dead, and that we have killed him; that we are in a time of reevaluation of all values; that we have outgrown our old myths, and needed to invent new ones.
I would argue that people in a scientific world of the 21st century cannot go back to traditionalism, which is essentially a universalisation and abstraction of the common tenents of the worlds' old myths. It will be a sociological impossibility. Like trying to roll a boulder up a hill. If this is possibile traditionalism will have to incorporate more concepts from the physical sciences which is the 'metaphysics' of the 21st century.
Does this site exclude a viewpoint which is, essentially modern, in looking beyond traditional ways of viewing the world?
Hey man. You seem genuinely interested in this stuff, and in its social impacts.
So, please, don't take this the wrong way:
Spend more time studying Tradition.
There is nothing in it that is against natural philosophy / modern science / the empirical method.
There is plenty of room in Tradition for it, and, in fact, Tradition supports and enhances it.
It was actually the teachers within the Tradition and the thinkers inspired by said teachers that gave birth to modern science!

