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Metal / Re: Bill Ward fired by Sharon Osbourne
« on: February 10, 2012, 08:37:47 AM »
I bet Billy wasn't surprised.  He came into popularity in the 70s, where the label was king and legal matters and executive orders ruled the day (if the band wanted to be rich anyway).  Even in the 80s when the labels became weaker due to the growing independent labels, bands from the 70s, like Tony Iommi would, still let the labels push them around because they still had that mentality. 

Anyway, I'll pick a side.  That woman has essentially ruined the career of all those men for the last 10 years artistically, but they have all become very wealthy because of it.  Bill has earned a large income from all the rereleases, box sets and comeback tours up til this point, and will continue to make a strong living on royalties, and this new album is going to be shit.  Maybe it's better he is not  a part of it, just as it is good that Bon Scott never has to have his name on all those deals with Wal-Mart that AC/DC makes nowadays, making him the only member who is NOT on a Highway to Hell.

Interzone / Re: George Washington Carver
« on: February 07, 2012, 08:04:04 PM »
I was going to take issue with the peanut butter bashing.  Anyone who works out and needs quick protein knows it's a worthy friend.

Interzone / Re: There are no "Native Americans"
« on: February 07, 2012, 02:39:32 PM »
Oh yeah, and that's definitely why the culture suffered no severe change other than the innovation of stone castles.

Interzone / Re: There are no "Native Americans"
« on: February 07, 2012, 07:40:29 AM »
Or pretty good ones (see Saxons everywhere).

I would say England between 800 and 1500 AD was the most ideal order for a society that Europe had ever scene.  Close enough to nature to still abide by it's rules, but sophisticated enough to transcend bounderies while maintaining a strong code of values.  Before and after the Normans, the case is the same.

Interzone / Re: There are no "Native Americans"
« on: February 06, 2012, 08:45:25 PM »
Look, people move about and new cultures form.  That is very clear and it is a fact of life.  I think the main objective though is to preserve a culture that forms if it is advantagous to raising healthy children, and one that holds real moral value, producing a strong people. 

I will admit my orginal attack against migration has been put in a different light.  My own German roots derive from a mixing of a pastoral people and the sky god worshipping Proto Europeans from the Caucuses. 

I think cultures form frorm regions as much as blood (not to diminish the latter too much though) and the needs of living on that land.  Cultures that enter new regions that differ very much from the region they came from can create damaging results. 

Interzone / Re: Wealth inequality
« on: February 06, 2012, 08:33:14 AM »
It's ridiculous anyway.  When people are sick in this country, they are taken care of.  When they are hungry, they eat.  There is no lack of this going on, so what is it they are complaining about.  Funny how the poor have been subsidized for decades now and there are more people without work or poor than ever.  No one can afford to pay their doctor's bills out of pocket and no one can afford to further their education. 

No one draws that connection, though. 

Maybe there are better ways to help the poor, and that is to help the society in general.

Interzone / Re: There are no "Native Americans"
« on: February 06, 2012, 08:27:43 AM »
Well more or less, this had to be what happened.  If no from Siberia, they would have had to have been seafaring, because with their lack of history in the continent, there is no way they could have originated here. 

But in any case, the term Native American still holds good because they had been here for something like 10,000 years and developed a culture here that was distrurbed and was just as much destroyed in the same way as Europe is being destroyed by the same problem now.

Interzone / Re: Beowulf
« on: February 04, 2012, 03:12:45 PM »
It's been argued that the author was a pagan, but that a Christian monk had, upon translation, edited out the paganism and threw in a bunch of stuff about Christ in its place.  There is nothing to back this up, but who knows.  Maybe calling Grendel the son of Cain, was actually orginally written as son of Loki or something like that.

Interzone / Re: Beowulf
« on: February 02, 2012, 09:44:10 PM »
I agree that Heaney's is the best and most faithful to the original meter of the poem without it being a obstacle.  He is a quality poet for sure.

Interzone / Re: Black History Month
« on: February 02, 2012, 07:18:11 PM »
Since King Tut is apparently a Brit, I think I can back him.

Interzone / Re: Ideal society
« on: February 02, 2012, 06:35:34 PM »
I'm not usually a fan of state funded entertainment, but I consider it a favorable compromise to this particular problem.  I suppose if the leadership were truly aristocratic, the art and entertainment it would produce would be of a decent quality. 

Interzone / Re: Beowulf
« on: February 02, 2012, 12:26:45 PM »
Obviously if it were truly propoganda, it would make Beowulf not look like a foolish king who fights frivolous warfare, but you must step back and look at the bigger pictue.  This poem glorifies a king leaving his land to go fight a battle in another land that is of no concern of his own people and battles with a monster that plagues another kingdom that is too weak to face it on its own.  This is the language of conquest if you look at history.  Caesar justified his conquering of Gaul as claiming that he was attempting to defend weaker tribes from smaller ones when they came to ask for his help. After helping them, he kept the land he defended.  This is the exact way the Saxon's who wrote Beowulf conquered England.  They were supposedly defending the Celts from Barbarians after the Romans left the island to defend their own realm, and then the Saxons proceded to move their families there and dominate the land that they were defending, stealing it from the Celts who came to ask for protection.  Today, the United States uses this same logic to perform preemptive strikes, by claiming that we are liberating one group from another. 

This poem was written during the Mirgration era where Kings justified warfare by backing underdogs.  I think the poem is a representation of that as well as anything else.  Its value is that the pagan structures and values were not yet decayed and it can be used a window of these structures.

Interzone / Re: Beowulf
« on: February 02, 2012, 09:45:53 AM »
I don't think it needs to be read too much into.  It's a story told amongst soldiers about the things soldiers strive for, victory, wealth and fame.  It's probably based on a real person and was composed for that person's pleasue and a hit among his army.  It's major use is understanding what morals were important among the warrier class in relation to a king, but it could be dangerous to look at it in that way exclusively, as this could very well have been propaganda by a monarch to justify warfare that was of no interest to his people, during an age where expansion was beneficial to rulers.  It never reaches anywhere near the height of Homer or Chaucer, but it is a very exciting read when you are looking into Germanic peoples and there are some memorable pieces to it.  

Interzone / Re: Becoming a Priest
« on: February 01, 2012, 08:32:12 PM »
I was kind of thinking this when reading Varg's book (don't laugh), that religoin is not something used to give people morals, but something that develops alongside those morals, at the same time, with back and forth going on.  Things that are done for a certain reason has the reason become forgotten and lost in linguistics, but still manages to preserve the ritual and always appears true because the action is still adventatageous in the eyes of nature. 

1 - Leaving the dead lying around causes disease
2 - We bury the dead to keep this from happening
3 - We lighten the morbidity with a pleasent story about the body passing to another world
4  - Generations of this have us forgetting why we buried them
5 - We still remember the story because poetry is more interesting than science
6 - Burying the dead is still a good idea, so that poetry appears true and sacred

Or something like that.  It's a hand in hand kind of thing.

Interzone / Re: Becoming a Priest
« on: February 01, 2012, 07:50:47 PM »
That extreme Monarchy you refer to is actually what I believe to be the natural order that people fall into without the hands of empire sheephearding people around. 

But I think (and this is just my opinion based on my own reading of history) that you are putting the cart before the horse with the church.  I believe a religion that preaches strong values is useless without those values already being inherent in a population, which is why different peoples practice religion differently depending on how their society is structured.  I think no church can give people values, and that there are only two ways to bring forth values and that is 1) By example of society (which could have a church at its core or else some other value system based on adhering to the laws of nature) or else or 2) DNA, which I am believing in more and more, but for the sake of argument, I'll stick to the former, since that latter is out of our control. 

I think a church is a crutch that might keep ritual and maybe even morality strong, but is also easily used as a tool to make the soul submissive to interests other than the society's own. 

Your original argument (and I hope I am not misrepresenting you, and if so, correct me or disregard this) was that a person in order to do good must submit to something higher than himself.  I'll agree on a couple things about this statement.  I agree when you say some people are better fit to lead than others, but I believe when society is left to a natural order, these people rise to the top on their own, and I also agree that self denial is something very important, but I believe people need to run their own lives and judge their own actions and that a society becomes stronger when it does this.  I agree with Machievelli when he says that societies that are use to making the decisions on their own are better at it, because I have seen it in history, and the opposite as well, where people who have their decisions made for them become stagnant and useless. 

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