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Messages - Jim Necroslaughter

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Interzone / Re: Online Classics.
« on: April 14, 2014, 10:35:35 PM »
Before books people used their minds.  When people rely exclusively on books their minds become feeble.  A feeble mind has no imagination, intuition, or flexibility.  They are slaves.

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Metal / Re: Top tier metal of the last decade (2003 - 2013)
« on: March 27, 2014, 01:27:29 PM »
I had to re-visit Key of Throne because of this thread, and yes, whoa, way better than I remember it!  It's a keeper and they even incorporate that sort of choir/monk humming/murmuring thing, always a favorite technique.

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Metal / Re: Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: February 21, 2014, 06:30:30 PM »
Imposition:  try the Nuclear War Now board.  http://nwnprod.com/forum/

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Interzone / The way things are - The way things ought to be
« on: February 16, 2014, 10:29:15 PM »
As far as reality goes, there is no 'ought' and there is no way things should be.  Reality operates according to unchanging principles.  Let's rightfully acknowledge that.

But now let us talk about people and people-stuff.  There is no 'way' that people 'are.'  People will adapt to their surroundings.  I've seen it too many times to be told otherwise.  Low expectations result in low character, high expectations result in high character.  Challenge someone and they rise to the occasion.  Let someone off the hook because 'that's the way things are,' and they persist in their folly.

It is in this way that I say:  let us be 'unrealistic.'


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Audiofile / Satan (UK)
« on: February 10, 2014, 11:01:20 PM »


Satan - Life Sentence  (2013, SendItz)

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Interzone / Re: Atheism
« on: January 27, 2014, 02:15:35 AM »
The atheist mistakenly assumes that if something is not known or cannot be known theoretically, it is not worthy of belief.  Once again, a belief in only what the individual or collection of individuals think, know, perceive, or feel.  The unknown is not the same as unreal.

I largely agree with your post. I particularly agree with the general point that belief ('faith') is an essential part of being human. It is a source of energy. Despite welcoming the collapse of Xtianity, Nietzsche, for instance, wrote of the utility of belief for driving human mind to higher endeavors.

Yes but it is not *merely* utilitarian.  Belief is utterly inescapable.
 
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However, keep in mind that Atheists, on an underlying level, have their own faith and their own mission. They are driven by belief. You cannot 'know' (in sense of having a 100 per cent certain true belief) that the supernatural does not exist. You are simply driven, if an atheist, by the conviction that physicalism captures the stuff the cosmos.

This is not to say that most of the objective evidence does not point towards a physicalist ontology... but just that it does so probabilistically, and not with 100 per cent certainty.

The premise is simple:  the unknown is not a lesser aspect or lesser part of reality, if anything it is primary.  For every one thing that is known, there are ten things that are unknown.  What you don't know could fill a library.

Yes, the unknown is like an open ocean to an explorer, or a christian village to a Viking.

However, do not conflate the unknown with the known-probably-not-to-exist.

It is one thing, from the point of view of knowledge, to not be 'captured by human minds' because you are yet to be reached - another not to be 'captured by human minds' because you don't exist.

Something that is beyond your grasp you cannot put in a basket, alternatively you can't put what doesn't exist in your basket either.

"known-probably-not to exist"?  That is not very scientific of you.  In any event I like your analogy very much.  Yes, the unknown is like the ocean, and the known is like a tiny little island.  We are utterly surrounded by the unknown and yet we hardly think of it.  If anything, knowledge is the anomaly.  But no one thinks of it like that, do they.

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Interzone / Re: Atheism
« on: January 27, 2014, 02:03:12 AM »
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The unknown is very much a part of reality and an aspect of reality - it is simply not known.


How can any part of reality be said to be "known" or "unknown" independent of anything that might "know" or "not know" it?

This is an unnecessarily complicated way to frame things.  We used to think the sun revolved around the earth, now we know it is the opposite, reality did not change, only knowledge changed.

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The atheist mistakenly assumes that if something is not known or cannot be known theoretically, it is not worthy of belief.

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This is not as accurate as it could be. Theory without observational evidence is not grounds for belief. If observational evidence is present, then it is safe to consider it valid.

That's fine with me, I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt.  Ontologically speaking (I believe Im using that word correctly?) it would be natural to assume that there are things that are true but not known and work that into the equation.

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Once again, a belief in only what the individual or collection of individuals think, know, perceive, or feel.

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Do you know of any religion which did not arise and be communicated through what individuals think, know, perceive, or feel?

Religion is based on belief and works the unknown into the equation.  It does not claim otherwise.  Atheism has nothing to say about the unknown.

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Interzone / Re: Atheism
« on: January 20, 2014, 07:30:43 PM »
Atheism is rebellion against the unknown.  The atheist only believes in human perceptions, observations and knowledge.  However, reality exists beyond what the mind can perceive.  The unknown is very much a part of reality and an aspect of reality - it is simply not known.  Knowledge does not change reality, it only changes how man relates to reality. 

The atheist mistakenly assumes that if something is not known or cannot be known theoretically, it is not worthy of belief.  Once again, a belief in only what the individual or collection of individuals think, know, perceive, or feel.  The unknown is not the same as unreal.

If God and religion are based on belief and not knowledge, then this does not at all mean it is untrue or illogical.  Unknown is not the same as untrue, something can very well be true without being justified by knowledge, to be unjustified by knowledge is not at all to say that something is false.

The premise is simple:  the unknown is not a lesser aspect or lesser part of reality, if anything it is primary.  For every one thing that is known, there are ten things that are unknown.  What you don't know could fill a library.

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Interzone / Re: Which is the Soul, Exists??
« on: December 20, 2013, 10:15:08 PM »
I just wonder how exactly organs would secrete chemicals in the brain based on something like the information gathered from one's surroundings.  Your turn the corner and see danger, a chemical is sent to the brain that says *run away,* all fair enough, but that is not exactly like hitting the cue ball with the pool cue that in turn hits the 8 ball.  There is clearly something at play that is not material/physical.

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The upside: praise from us is worth 100,000x more than from any other site, hence the weird ability DMU has to be a kingmaker.

Too true. Never lose this Brett or we will find you.
The more there is of something the less it is worth, the less there is of something the more it is worth.  Ironclad law of value.

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If anybody wants to upload of any of their favorites, don't let me stop you - Satan, Von, Ildjarn, wink wink nudge nudge saynomore

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Interzone / Re: Which is the Soul, Exists??
« on: December 15, 2013, 04:30:28 PM »
The Packers are not a plurality sir.  A team is a single entity.

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Interzone / Re: Which is the Soul, Exists??
« on: December 15, 2013, 04:17:21 PM »
There is only one Green Bay Packers.  The Green Bay Packers is comprised of Running Backs, Quarterbacks, Lineman, Kickers, Coaches, Medical Staff and a General Manager.  Although they all comprise aspects of the Green Bay Packers, none of them are solely the Green Bay Packers in and of themselves.  If you remove any of these individuals the Green Bay Packers still exists.  There are 0 members from the 1969 Green Bay Packers still on the roster, yet the Green Bay Packers will play today.  So the notion of the Green Bay Packers is not at all produced by any single player, nor even any single team or coach, in any way whatsoever.  That being said, every player, every team, every win does in fact add to the aura and perpetuate the notion of the Green Bay Packers; all of the aspects are important, and all play their role but none of them are bigger than the Green Bay Packers itself.

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Interzone / Re: Which is the Soul, Exists??
« on: December 14, 2013, 04:32:58 PM »
Now you're just talking past me - and you still haven't responded to my point concerning verifiable evidence of chemicals causing changes in mental states/behavior.

Let me ask you:  how are chemicals summoned in the brain when not directly imbibing them?  Eating magic mushrooms and tripping balls is not an explanation for the normal processes of a brain that is not under the influence!

Anyway, if I were to explain the soul, I would go with Plato and say it is the charioteer that drives and controls the horses and the chariot.  It is the aspect of man that is not at the mercy of physical concerns or impulses, it is the very ability to make a decision one way as opposed to the other.

This idea has been out of style for some time. It similar enough to the "homunculus theory". Unfortunately it leads to an infinite regress; if a little man in my mind is deciding everything for me, then what is deciding everything for the little man? Another little man? Who decides for him?

Really?  I never would have thought of conceiving it like that.  The charioteer, horses, and chariot are in one sense separate, yet simultaneously in another sense, unified.  They are unified in that they are all working to win the race, that's the brilliance of the metaphor, so the buck stops with the charioteer.   

In fact you explain the exact problem with chemicals/impulses.  If chemicals are deciding everything for me...don't blame me, blame my chemicals.  My chemicals lord over me and I just follow orders.  I was the victim of my chemicals!

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Metal / Re: Death Metal Underground Weekly Newsletter
« on: December 13, 2013, 10:15:20 PM »
This is a very good idea, just saw it on another msg board, good initiative.

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