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Metal / Re: Das Perfekte Album
« on: July 15, 2012, 07:30:01 AM »
Morbid Angel's first three along with the live album for sure.  After that the lineup and attitude of the band basically changed so the rest of it doesn't count in my book (I enjoy F but it was just Trey having fun and living off the advice of motivational speakers, which shows).

Burzum made it work for three albums, and so did Darkthrone., Vader, Bolthower, Immolation, Black Sabbath, Summoning, Metallica.  Three or four seems to be about the limit for a band whose style has so many riffs in a brief period and lives so fast, although Summoning and maybe Graveland strikes me as an exception in that regard since they don't tour and never got involved in criminal behavior.

Plus the shitty deals these guys were given for writing music that almost never turned into a living makes it hard to believe there's as much quality material as there is, especially given how volatile the labels were.  They usually have to support themselves with other jobs, after all. 

Interzone / Re: Why extrovert socializers are stupid
« on: July 15, 2012, 06:21:54 AM »
I don't know about that, but the people who buy into it need to burn.

The Oscars and everything like it?  It's not like there will ever be a year where they'll go "we didn't have any good actors this time around, so the entire ceremony
has been called off."  It's always on regardless of how stupid and unnecessary the shit they turn out is.  They have their own PR team built
into their operation, so why anyone would take it seriously is beyond me.

Saying that feels unnecessary but it also applies to advertising, prescription drugs, fashion - basically all of pop culture.  Anything lowbrow people can think of to kill time from using or earn money by creating.

Interzone / Re: Why extrovert socializers are stupid
« on: July 15, 2012, 04:22:45 AM »
What drives extroverts is not whether they are right, but if someone will agree with them which actually has nothing to do with being accurate and so it all follows from the preceding article. This is why socialization primarily (including defensive outbursts, emotive protestations, etc.), instead of solitary study or introspection or observation then afterward sometimes bothering to communicate with others, is extroverted contrasted against introverted behaviour.

I  didn't originally see where you were going with this in the first post, but that's an interesting perspective.  

This turned out to be a problem at the place I worked at while they trained me in.  All they wanted was a lot of nodding and smiling, even though their way of doing things didn't make much sense to me.  Luckily I was able to seize a few opportunities to tinker with some ideas alone - failing a few times but learning why it didn't work instead of apologizing to someone for it - and now I'm the most productive guy they have even though I never bothered going through most of their hoops.

At that same job I never bothered pretending to like everyone.  Instead I made genuine connections with a few other good workers, and if I'm in a jam I can count on them to give me a hand and get the job done quickly and correctly because we actually respect each other and enjoy being around one another - we're not just trying to put on a show for others to seem popular,  which some six figure salary guys at this place actually do, strange as it is.

But I know it's possible to be extroverted/outgoing while also managing to be productive and thoughtful (not that anyone denied it, but it was also never brought up), so it would be a mistake to write that quality off entirely.

Metal / Re: Demigod has returned
« on: July 08, 2012, 12:50:53 AM »
I believe them, based on their main songwriter coming back into the fold.

FYI, he wasn't on Shadow Mechanics or that album with the goatse album cover.

That was my initial reaction, and the interview seemed entirely genuine.  My only concerns are:

-They come up with too much material and forget about quality control, or try to stretch an EP into a full length
-Modern production standards suck the life out of their unique sound, assuming they do return to the style of the debut
-The vocals are either far too polished or far too hardcore sounding (the live vocals didn't have much depth)

Of course the above could easily be said about any death metal band attempting a return to its roots.

Metal / Re: Help finish Birth A.D.'s debut album
« on: April 14, 2012, 02:36:01 AM »
Ghoul were very successful with their campaign to get a tour van through kickstarter donations:


It'll be interesting to see how effectively this fundraising tool is used by musicians in the future.

Metal / Re: Metal in 2012
« on: February 15, 2012, 04:00:55 AM »
New Summoning would be nice, if they're up to it.  The following was posted on a fan forum in late 2011:

I exhume this old topic to say that one of the reasons behind the delay is that Silenius had an heart attack. I read it only a few days ago, but it apparently happened this summer. The news was also on a german metal zine called Legacy, who interviewed Protector. I didn't find the issue, but I found this pic of it: http://666kb.com/i/bwfj2xmvxivznzjko.jpg
For the not-german speaking people, the beginning of the interview sounds like this: There was a delay in providing to the zine some news about the duo and about the new album because "the colleague Silenius had an heart attack, and we absolutely don't have to underestimate that kind of health issues [= "there's nothing to joke about"]. Now as in the past the things are going very slowly", and "there are some new riff fragments and deeply elaborated songs, too. But some of the core ideas are still missing".

But I read somewhere that Silenius now feels better, and I think there's nothing more to worry about.


Grave's first two and Massacre's first album and EP are effective rythmnic death metal. I wouldn't call it blockheaded, because simple doesn't necessarily mean that. Other good candidates would be Decrepitaph, Sadistik Exekution's first two, Goatlord, and early Malevolent Creation.

Maybe blockhead was the wrong word.  I just mean that it's driven more by "UMPH!" than composition.  It's beer and pizza metal, where early At the Gates is more along the lines of wine and cheese, if you see what I'm getting at.

Interzone / Re: Topics Missing Around These Parts?
« on: July 17, 2011, 01:07:27 AM »
I don't know, the focus of this forum is rather limited, it rejects the majority of metal and the majority of philosophies / paradigms. More substantial conversation often takes place in the Hessian.org webzine. True back-and-forth discourse pitting the hessian philosophy against other philosophies does not take place because the forum makes it pretty clear if you aren't sympathetic to the hessian philosophy then this isn't the best forum for you - only in a forum with a broader focus can this type of discourse truly take place. Perhaps the forum should be compacted into one single forum instead of various sub-forums, not to give the illusion of activity but to eliminate the illusion of inactivity. Also I think although it can be tempting to make threads about so many things, such as for example the recent thread about tips for recording a new album started by you, in reality I find on most discussion forums most threads (like that one) are more wastes of time than anything else because the information the thread is asking for already exists elsewhere on the internet and it's therefore inefficient to request that people type it up anew; already this forum points to various articles written on DLA and ANUS in many situations, rather than re-stating the views again, which I find is generally a positive quality of this forum. Although I love the discussion forum medium and believe it holds tremendous potential, I believe the potential is largely contingent upon overarching premises and in this forum's case given its focus maybe there is only so much room for it to realistically grow.

On the flip side, if you're not willing to put up with nonstop bullshit you'll probably be chased out of most other music forums.  I think that's why a lot of people end up here - they've seen what goes on at other places.  There's a useful factoid or funny story to be dug up elsewhere, but most of it is just misinformation and emoticons.

I'm guessing that if I were to start a topic about recording music at most other forums, within a few hours there would be 40 posts and most of them would consist of "I used to live next to a recording studio" or "I just realized that the word 'record' is in recording - OMG who loves vinyl?"

Plus most people here seem to be on the same page.  Even mentioning recording at most other forums is pointless because a) prolific posters rarely log off to do anything productive, b) the ones that do log off also have a book report due on A Separate Peace tomorrow, and c) hardly anyone takes the music seriously to begin with.

While certain information is abundant elsewhere, it's also usually bogged down in worthless commentary when expressed in this medium (which also has the unique feature of asking specific questions to familiar users).  That's why I find it makes more sense to discuss mainstream topics on a low post-count board like this than it does at a place with a lot of traffic and a TON of spam, unless of course you aim to troll.

You're right about Beherit, but they also sound amazing.  Come to think of it, the groups in the OP also have an over the top sound than cannot be rivaled.  Maybe that's the difference.

I'll have the check out Blasphemy, but with the name like that - and it must have been early for that reason - I'm sure they're something else.

Interzone / Re: What's Recording a New Album Like? (Tips, ect)
« on: July 16, 2011, 07:52:38 AM »
Easily one of the most helpful posts ever typed on this board.

Interzone / What's Recording a New Album Like? (Tips, ect)
« on: July 16, 2011, 07:28:07 AM »
My roommate recently recorded some music at a professional studio for the first time.  It isn't finished yet because the other guy lives out west, but I did get an earful about how it could have been done more efficiently had he known more about the process. 

Does anyone here have advice to help up and coming musicians make the most of their time in the studio?  I can direct exact questions to my roommate later on, since we won't be speaking until at least later tonight.

Practice is an obvious must.  But what else?  What are some common mistakes metal groups make that can be avoided?

Metal / Great Solo, Ambience-Driven Metal
« on: July 16, 2011, 07:19:59 AM »
This is where Windham Hell really shines.  The riffs definitely take a back seat to the leads:


Just one example among many.  They were definitely on to something.  And it's a shame Leland apparently couldn't find a replacement for Eric.  Moribund suggested another Windham Hell record was all set to go - this was several years ago - but either the recording process never took place, or the guy was flat out lying.  A damn shame at any rate.

It's nothing brilliant, but it gets the job done.  I'm talking about:

Death - Scream Bloody Gore
Grave - Into the Grave
Massacre - From Beyond

I find them to be fun listens.  Nothing special, but useful nontheless.  Cianide probably fits in there as well.  I want to mention Autopsy but they might have just fallen ass-backwards into the stuff of legend, great as they are.

Metal / Re: Is BURZUM Patterned off of Anything?
« on: July 16, 2011, 06:42:27 AM »
Beyond Sanctorum is the earliest I've heard.

EDIT: could you go t he extra mile and copy/paste a link?

Interzone / Topics Missing Around These Parts?
« on: July 16, 2011, 06:25:48 AM »
The title speaks for itself. 

There are a lot of smart people here, but maybe some are too shy to speak up and ask for a new direction of conversation, while others are too bashful to admit they have useful knowledge to spread.

Either way something must be missing given how quiet it gets here.

Mention what you'd like to hear about - or better yet, start a topic if you're knowledgeable - and we'll all benefit.

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