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Metal / Re: Electronic music
« on: May 19, 2007, 12:53:51 AM »
First thing that comes in mind is MZ.412 who introduced the so called black industrial genre. The titles of their albums and songs, the band logo even the album covers bring black metal in mind. The album cover of "Burning The House Of God" for example features the photo of a burning church and one could easily think that this is a black metal album judging from this fact alone:

In the beggining they even adopted black metal imagery (corpse paint etc) that they abandonded in later albums:

It is one of the projects of Henrik Nordvargr Björkk (other projects include Toroidh, Folkstorm, Nordvargr, Goatvargr).

Another example would be "Blood Axis", which is the music project of Michael Moynihan, co-author of "Lords of Chaos: The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground". (Incidentally I just noticed that the cover of this book has the same photo with the one of the MZ.412 album mentioned above).

Finally "Kreuzweg Ost", which is the martial industrial side project of Silenius from Summoning.

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: May 15, 2007, 08:49:11 AM »
Protector: doesn't in Austria, some time ago some kind of elections was won by some neo-nazi guy and his party(i may confuse something here)?
This would tell a lot about people that live there and their beliefs (nostalgia?)...

That would have been Jörg Haider, leader of the far -right Austrian Freedom Party.I don't remember him being openly neonazi, but Protector should probably know better I guess.

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: April 27, 2007, 07:07:33 AM »
I personally mentioned Kreuzweg Ost (apart from the obvious relation that exists with Summoning) because I got the impression that the guys involved with this project decided to show through music their view of things concerning a controversial topic such as the rise and fall of the 3rd Reich and WWII in general is, without caring about any negative reactions thay may get from people that don't actually understand this point of view. I know that Kreuzweg Ost has nothing to do with Nazism or any kind of political ideology in general. But this is obvious to anyone who actually listened to their music and they didn't have to apology to anybody or make any particular statement even if they were accused of being Nazis or supporters of right-wing ideology or whatever. What I'm trying to say is that every intelligent Summoning fan knows what Summoning is about and that it has nothing to do with Nazism. So why write a lengthy apology about the fact that some people used your music in a way that you don't approve and not (as mentioned above) just ask for the videos to be removed (which you have absolutely the right to ask for) and stop there? Apologizing for something that is 100% obvious (that Summoning has nothing to do with Nazism) could make some ignorant people believe that you actually feel guilty for something that you definetely shouldn't feel guilty at all.

PS: Though it doesn't have anything to do with the topic, I'd like to say that concerning the origin of Turks it is the other way around. The first Turks originated in Central Asia (Turkestan) and were a Mongolic Asian tribe. They looked like the way today's people in the former soviet states of Central Asia looke like (straight dark hair, epicanthic fold). Turks later migrated to the west and if there exist today european looking or blonde Turks, it is because they mixed with the european populations of the conquered lands (remember Jannisaries?).

Audiofile / Re: Compilations / Soundtracks / Misc.
« on: April 26, 2007, 10:04:33 PM »
Hellas: The Black Death Anthology (1989-2006)

"Gathering rare and exclusive material from the early days of Greek Black Metal on an official double cd."


1 Kawir - Sin the blazing queen
2 Zephyrous - Hidden away from the sun
3 Rotting christ - The hills of crucifixion
4 Nergal - In the name of nergal
5 Varathron - Necranastasis
6 Death courier - Lunatic messiah
7 Disharmony - Act omega
8 Macabre omen - We won with war
9 Sarcastic terror - Infernal hatred
10 Deviser - Into his unknown
11 Obsecration - Sadness contemplates ones past life
12 Order of the ebon hand - Spirits of the undead
13 Septic flesh - Erebus
14 Twilight - Arising thy horned one htao terces eht
15 Nocternity - Harps of the ancient temples


1 Necromantia - Lord of the abyss
2 Zemial - Sleeping under tartarus
3 Cthonium - Infernals forethought
4 Dreamers Seal - Descent into plutos kingdom
5 Thou Art Lord - In blood we trust
6 Rex Infernus - Dii te ament satan
7 Agatus - Sodomizing bloodshed under a frozen blaze of catachtonian land
8 Nightfall - For my soul when the darkness falls into
9 Horrified - Seperial dominion
10 The One - Untitled
11 Lemegethon - Demonic hellhounds
12 Legion of Doom - Ancient knowledge
13 Mortify - Paroxysm
14 Nocturnal Death - Cries behind the golden walls
15 Sadistic Noise - The crush of heaven

Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: April 26, 2007, 09:55:37 PM »
Judging from his side project, Kreuzweg Ost, which is a martial industrial project and mostly inspired by the rise and fall of the 3rd Reich, I don't think Silenius (the other half of Summoning) shares the same "sensitivities". For sure using samples of WWII German propaganda broadcasts in your music is far from "politically correct". I found an interesting interview of him and Martin Shirenc of Hollenthon (who contributed to the first KWO album) here:


Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: April 24, 2007, 11:44:57 PM »
all those varg vikernes ideology copy-cats thinking that a nation can only survive if it is clean and pure shall take a short look at the ottoman empire that was an extreme multi-cultural nation and lasted 624 years (thats 52 times longer than the third reich:-)

I would have laughed at the above statement but being Greek myself, I can only feel insulted. The Ottoman Empire "an extreme multicultural nation"? Personally I can't use the worlds "culture" and "Ottoman" on the same sentence. Sure, the Turks conquered a lot of different nations but this fact doesn't make the empire "multicultural". Not to mention the oxymoron of the phrase "multicultural nation". Since he mentions "Jannisary" music on another paragraph he should spend some time in order to learn what Jannisaries were: Christian youth from the conquered christian nations that were taken by force at a young age from their families, converted to muslims and brainwashed to become the fiercest warriors of the Ottoman army, eventually becoming slayers of their own people. Quite some cultural achievement I guess. I guess the balkan nations were such ungrateful bastards to revolt constantly against such a paradise of an empire. I'm wondering if his opinions concerning the Ottoman Empire would have been the same if the Turks had managed to conquer Vienna back in 1683.

And what does he have to say about the prominently Graeco-Roman Byzantine Empire which lasted for more than a thousand years, being in constant struggle against Persians, Arabs, Crusaders and Turks?

Metal / Re: "Heavy Classical"
« on: November 21, 2006, 12:42:14 AM »
It doesn't have to be epic in length or use a full orchestra to be "heavy"

Totally agree. The opposite applies too. A big orchestra and/or lengthy compositions are not enough to create something wonderful. (Negative) example (in my opinion): Gustav Mahler.

Metal / Re: "Heavy Classical"
« on: November 16, 2006, 03:45:18 AM »
I'm a huge fan of J.S. Bach but I think he doesn't fit to the description provided here, simply because he is a composer of an older period (baroque). Personally I would add to the composers that were mentioned, the German composer Richard Strauss (no connection to the Austrian Johann Strauss and his silly waltzes). He mainly composed tone poems, among which the most well known is "Also sprach Zarathustra" ("Thus spoke Zarathustra") based on the book of the same name by Friedrich Nietzsche.