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Interzone / Re: Wolves in the Throne Room
« on: November 05, 2007, 02:06:53 AM »
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Oh fuck, you've got to be kidding..  Are they on K Records?  Riot Grrrl black metal?  I cannot stand Olympia; it's even worse than Bellingham...  

I have to admit though that the poser in me is intriegued by the whole concerts in the woods thing.  Do they play in those old mine shafts out by Newcastle and Black Diamond or something?  To my knowledge, there are very few if any real caves in the northwest.  We don't have hardly an limestone bedrock out here.  But still, I'd probably go to a BM show in an old mine shaft, even if the band wasn't very good.


You have quite a bit of magma shaft caves (forgot the technical name for them) which have long since been empty of volcanic activity.  I somehow doubt that a magma shaft would be big enough to hold a concert in, however.

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Interzone / Re: Blut Aus Nord
« on: November 05, 2007, 02:03:23 AM »
Mort is not a good album.  Fathers of the Icy Age and The Work Which Transforms God are both excellent, however, and show the band in two completely different musical eras for them.

The last two, Mort and Odinist, were horrendously boring, however.  Lots of bands mix ambient and metal, BAN did this very well on TWWTG, but Mort was just too repetitive for its own good.  Odinist was even worse.

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Metal / Re: Death metal and jazz
« on: October 15, 2007, 07:48:11 AM »
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Fusion true to both of its roots I can't imagine.


That is because it is impossible, mutually exclusive, and should never even be attempted by anyone with any respect for either genre.  People who attempt to do so are either insulting or embarrassing one or both of the genres.

I for one am tired of any association between jazz and metal that goes beyond mere technique and attempts to go into capturing the mood of both.  This is partially why I am absolutely intolerant of Focus.

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Metal / Re: Are Nile any good?
« on: August 18, 2007, 08:52:14 AM »
I'm afraid you're only underscoring your ignorance there.

I did not refer to THE Spanish scale, I refered to the Spanish scale that alax mentioned in his post, the Harmonic minor (although there is an identical scale that developed in the Middle-East independently of the Harmonic minor, called the Mohammedan scale).

The Hungarian minor is a gypsy scale brought over by Middle-Eastern gypsies.  The fact that the so-called "Arabic scale" has a mode identical to the Hungarian minor is enough to give it away.  There is a scale called "the Byzantine scale," however inaccurate that is.  Probably should have refered to it as the Double Harmonic Minor.

Nile's music is NOT very chromatic for the most part; any chromatic sections are either the result of a natural chromatic part in the scale being used (the Hungarian minor, for instance, has a chromatic section for it's 4th through 6th notes) or due to the band compensating for having instruments ineptly equipped for Arabic music.  Much of the Arabic maqams are microtonal, meaning the band is going to have to go to the nearest note below the proper one and then bend up a quarter-step (or sometimes less, depending on the scale).

I would hope that Nile wouldn't make a musical experience that expresses a sentiment found in the Middle-East; they've completely forgotten all their past mythologies and chosen a terror-driven religion of the Magical Sky Daddy.  I'd rather not have Islamic sentiments spread their way into death metal, would you?

It is rather difficult to capture the feel of ancient beliefs no longer held by anybody, of time-destroyed practices no longer practiced.  The Norse can claim to still have followers, albeit few, but Ra and Isis cannot.  If you don't think they capture the feel of old Middle-Eastern myths then fine, I can respect that.

Varg's "scholarly" understanding of the old Norse ways is highly debatable.  There are individuals in Norse mythology not of the blond-haired-blue-eyed variety that do heroic deeds (there's a certain red-haired fellow I'm thinking of, know him?).  Furthermore, the only other people I've met or heard of besides Varg who put the extreme emphasis on race (as well as racism) in Nordic beliefs are Varg fanboys of a sort nearly as bad as Dragonforce fanboys, so I'm very hesitant to give his views on the matter much weight.  The only matter I've ever completely agreed with him on is Christianity.

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Metal / Re: Are Nile any good?
« on: August 18, 2007, 12:20:45 AM »
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They suck.  Typical "broothurl" death metal, with an Egypt gimmick thrown in.  Avoid.



This is about as stupid as calling the Norse theme of Hlidskjálf a gimmick.  Actually, it's even more retarded---Nile certainly do a hell of a lot more research (or are already more knowledgable about) the various mythologies of the Middle-East than Varg has ever been about Norse mythology, and they do it without inserting hackneyed unscholarly modern interpretations to suit their own point of view (ie, Varg's racial interpretations).

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I agree completely. I gave the first album a listen, and it reminds me of your typical NYDM band with the melodic sensibility of Demigod (on SoSE) and some harmonic minor/phrygian dom. "sprinkled" on as you put it. About 1 or 2 years ago, I obsessed over the last two albums of this band and for some reason didn't enjoy their previous works. However, I now find Nile's earlier albums to be much more interesting, although not as incredibly unique and/or innovative as Nile fanboys would have you believe.



The band uses a hell of a lot more than a Phrygian scale and a Spanish scale; Hungarian Minor, Arabian Minor, Hungarian Major and the Byzantine all make numerous appearances, and the stuff that Karl writes in particular is heavily based in Arabic maqam theory (as well as Turkish makam theory).

To say that the Egyptian aspect of Nile's music is only skin deep is ignorant at best and disingenuous at the worst.  That being said, I am glad that Karl's next solo album appears to have a heavier basis in authentic Middle-Eastern folk and religious music as opposed to a more Westernized ambient-esque take on the scales of the region.  One only has to hear the song "A Most Effective Exorcism Against Azathoth and His emissaries" to see this; African witch-doctor and Voudon chanting, done by both Karl and his friend from the last album; very authentic percussion as well.

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Metal / Re: Electronic music
« on: May 25, 2007, 11:57:58 PM »
Are we including less obviously-electronic music like dark ambient in here too?  I've a good amount of recommendations if so.

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Metal / Re: Virtues of plagiarism in metal
« on: May 09, 2007, 01:22:23 AM »
Yes, all of them.  Look at the seating prices if you want any proof.

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Metal / Re: Serialism in Heavy Metal.
« on: May 07, 2007, 11:38:01 PM »
Spiral Architect are an abomination any way you look at them.  Stay clear.

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Metal / Re: Metal improving in 2007
« on: May 07, 2007, 08:58:08 PM »
I'm looking forward to the new Summoning ep and hopefully a new Darkspace album.  Otherwise, I can't think of anything.

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Metal / Re: Summoning make stand against fascism
« on: May 05, 2007, 09:36:35 PM »
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I have to disagree here. The blues, like rock n roll itself, is an American moneymaking invention that is aesthetic only: it brings nothing new to the music.

The pentatonic was well known in Celtic, Chinese, Indian and German folk music. The 12-bar blues structure was also well known. So was syncopation, although it was rarely applied constantly (German waltz drumming, however, is the origin of jazz). The blues, like rock, is a marketing invention and not a musical one.

I don't want to get into the politics here, but I'd like to inject a note of reality to the music history aspect of it. All of what you've been told has come from an industry that receives massive material reward for claiming exclusivity to certain art forms. Yet these art forms are as unique as the marketing invention of putting yogurt in a disposable, sealed cup -- it's still yogurt.


While I agree that pentatonics date back further than blues, I don't think it would be unreasonable to say that metal musicians knew of pentatonics primarily through their exposure to rock and blues, so even if the roots of metal go back much further there is still some descent from the blues.

Speaking of Ice Ages, I have another question for Protector.  Is there any chance of the Ice Ages debut being re-released?

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Metal / Re: Summoning
« on: May 02, 2007, 07:12:35 AM »
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I don't particularly follow the discussions of Metal listeners, but 'Let Mortal Heroes Sing Your Fame' seems to receive no attention. In my opinion, it's better than 'Stronghold', as there's something a lot more rousing about it. It's catchier, but not in a fleeting pop sense, due to the arrangements, and something more. Are there any interesting/developed thoughts on this album?


I agree, it's far more developed than Stronghold was.  The rockisms are part of the album's accomplishments, I feel.  They managed to make a metal album with a fair amount of rockisms still seem thoroughly epic, and on top of that it expresses the glory of human triumph more than any other album they've made (or any other metal album I can think of, honestly).  A rock-oriented album that promotes the glory of the human spirit rather than negates it all to baseless hedonism is a worthy accomplishment, in my view.

Nevertheless, I was pleased to see the rockisms go with the latest album, even if they also removed most sonic resemblances to metal in the process.

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Metal / Re: ANUS.com attacked by Salvation Army
« on: March 07, 2007, 10:25:59 PM »
Would it be legal to hack the hell out of their site?

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Metal / Re: Cannibal Corpse a ripoff?
« on: March 02, 2007, 06:52:01 AM »
Their music is blank and hollow, so the standard argument used is that they are a hollow imitation of death metal.  They essentially created "generic death metal."

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Metal / Re: What's next and who's doin it?
« on: December 12, 2006, 02:40:06 AM »
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and to say to steer to classical is  snobbish isn't thought out very well, after all metal takes a huge amount of classical ideas already and the morals and ideology behind certain genres of metal are almost parallel as those of certain periods/composers of classical music.

Classical can be snobbish, but here we don't bother with the works from Hyden who offers no music to question the nature of reality other then to reinforce the illusion of reality that humans collectively share, we would listen to Bach or Brahms or Grieg instead. To say to add more classical ideas is snobbish is a completely uneducated thought



Just a thought, but in my experience classical music isn't snobbish so much as a lot of its fans are snobbish.  I'm talking about the "academic elite" here.  Cocktail-toting, tuxedo-sporting balding men type of people.

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Metal / Re: Peter Jackson dropped from "The Hobbit&qu
« on: December 12, 2006, 02:32:33 AM »
Yes, this is somewhat sad news.  If they don't get Ian McKellen (sp) to play Gandalf, I won't bother with it.

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