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Metal / Re: Gaahl Interview
« on: October 06, 2007, 05:35:12 PM »
He now has an official mys pace


funny how a man who supposedly lives so isolated from society, who does not even have running water, has a my space account..

I wouldn't believe a lot of that talk, but in any case, this page is probably run by someone else.

Metal / Re: Why Metal?
« on: October 06, 2007, 05:33:09 PM »

I've seen this argument before. It's the idea that the art itself carries no meaning. Of course, it's easily disproved. If the meaning is injected by the listener, how come we have a shortage of geniuses praising KoRn and Dethklok?

My post was deleted, but I'm going to ask it again: You're assuming there is no shortage of geniuses praising any other metal.

Metal / Re: The future of music is giving it away
« on: October 04, 2007, 04:19:20 PM »

I never said anyting about recording labels or publishers. Sure go and ask me and I would let you know I have a big beef with em, and the retailers who put a 30% mark up on all their stock. But that is not what I am/was saying.
And what is the difference to a band releasing ten albums on a label and burning out and doing ten albums from their bedroom and burning out? I dont think the down hill pattern has anything to do with not giving their music away for free; I dont see the logic to this pattern in relation to this idea.
"get another job and use the income to pay for recording?" so you expect musicians to pay for the recording so you can get it given to you for free?

Take Atheist for example. They released their third album under pressure from the label, and it was garbage. If they had done it on their own accord, probably it would've taken a few more years, had fewer reach, but been a work of art like their previous bands. Probably got more money too, as they could keep every dime they make off each CD, not just a minute percentage.

And yes, I expect musicians to pay for their own recordings, that's how it's done by bands who don't have labels FYI. Hard work makes art more genuine, as opposed to releasing junk knowing that you're going to get paid by the label at the end of the day regardless. It's hard to think of a band that got signed to a label after first recording demos that were paid for by another label, i.e. the bands paid for those themselves. We might have never discovered some great bands if they didn't want to make that sacrifice.

After that, it's their choice whether to give it away free or to let fans decide whether or not to pay for it, or let the label steal most of the money, but it's stupid to expect people to keep paying for junk, hence the reason bands like Slayer keep saying their next album will sound like Reign in Blood in order to fool people into buying them.

You're missing the point, the purpose of using your own money to make music is so that only the people who are genuinely into it will do so (and hopefully only those who can actually do some intelligent work). We have too many people trying to make a fast buck by churning out shitty metal to satisfy the labels demanding for more shitty metal to satisfy the fans caused by previous shitty metal, etc.

Interzone / Re: Origin and purpose of the universe?
« on: October 04, 2007, 04:11:42 PM »
Too bad I really wanted to hear about about the origin of universe.

It would be best to check the Bible.

Metal / Re: The future of music is giving it away
« on: October 04, 2007, 11:31:47 AM »
Giving away music wont ever work. It could be used as a promotion stunt or a gimmick... especially by an established pop group who have (almost) all the money they would ever want....
But it would kill the industry. Who would pay to have an album recorded if it was going to be given away? Audio engineers wont do the recording for free. And dont try the counter argument of home/amature recordings a.k.a Black Metal; dont get me wrong I am a big fan of crusty BM, but other genres would suffer. Classical and other music that demand well produced and highly skilled engineering would degrade in quality. Also, there would not be the funds to aquire quality equipment such as processors and mikes. For some genres and musicians it is great... but giving away music for the future of music in general? It would kill it off.

Ever thought you could get another job and use the income to pay for recording? That way, you're not subject to deadlines of recording labels, which is the reason behind the downfall of most great bands: they have to put out too much material in too little time to be truly original. You could, instead, take your time and record good music, even if you're not releasing an album a year (before you know it, you've released 10 albums and then you're burnt out and history). Ever noticed a pattern where the first few albums are great and it's all downhill from there?

Interzone / Re: Why is Necrophagist bad?
« on: October 04, 2007, 07:25:38 AM »
Oh no, not again.  If you're too lazy to search a thread that is on the front page of the metal forum, you deserve a free banning.  :P

Metal / Re: Academic recognition of metal possible
« on: October 03, 2007, 07:21:16 AM »
Already sent the first 2 Morbid Angel releases, and my spare copy of Deicide - Legion.

Metal / Re: Neoclassical music gains popularity, arrests
« on: October 02, 2007, 05:54:20 PM »
The songs included Swedish death metal band Opeth

::) Anyway, isn't the opinion of this board that she should be arrested just because she listened to Opeth in the first place? Or is she now a hero much like Rachael "I-love-Pantera" Barton or hard rock albums that represent heavy metal's undying popularity in the consumer market? It could be that more people want heavier music and they will buy it for decades, or the more likely scenario that they are buying into (downloading) what's popular and cool in the "angry" genre of music, without really giving a damn about the music itself.

Interzone / Re: Life cycle of stars
« on: October 02, 2007, 05:45:57 PM »
Dying stars are not reaching outward. They have hit the limits of their expansion, and now all they have is their gravity, which makes them fall inward. The gravity gradually increases until they become black holes that eat all matter and light around them.

Where did you get this from? I can't take something seriously if it starts off with a fallacy. Stars expand as they grow old. As their core runs out of hydrogen and then helium, the core contacts and the outer layers expand, cool, and become less bright. This is a red giant or a red super giant (depending on the initial mass of the star). It will eventually collapse and explode.

I'm sure the OP knew this. Which means this post should be taken to mean the exact opposite of what it says ;) i.e.- don't give a damn about b4b if you don't have to.

Interzone / Re: Non-meaningless social activities
« on: October 02, 2007, 05:42:15 PM »

But even if all those activities lead to alcohol, that in itself isn't a problem. People who abuse alcohol do so because they are escaping reality. If you are satisfied with who you are and what you do with yourself, you will more than likely not become wasted because you are satisfied with reality. There is a difference between having a relaxing buzz and vomiting at the end of the night.

Having a beer or two with friends is a great way to relax, especially if you are listening to some great music, and the group as a whole can analyze said music. This is only one example among many more where a beer or two can enhance an experience. Other drugs, in moderation, can do the same.

Yes I don't disagree. I was referring to those who abuse it to the point of passing out/throwing up, then complaining about a hangover the next day and wondering why they drank, then going back to the same thing a day later.

Interzone / Re: Non-meaningless social activities
« on: October 02, 2007, 05:19:51 PM »
All the activities you've mentioned eventually involve alcohol. But it's different in different countries around the world. I find the American college populace disgusting, where they think they're achieving a mighty big deal 'cos they got drunk on beer last night and fucked some girl. There are other places in the world where you could be boozing on whiskey at age 13, get bored with it by the time you're 18, and be involving yourself in meaningful social activity (without so much booze) while American college kids are still losing their virginity (alcohol and sex-wise). Perhaps removing all these restrictions that make substance use seem so "cool" will do the trick.

Interzone / Re: Stupid people
« on: October 02, 2007, 03:00:33 PM »

How can you talk like this? Or how can he answer this way? I mean, we will never found the evidence of the existence of God. I hope that's no news for you.

To me, God is similar to "nothing" or perhaps "emptyness" (at least it is my image of "it") but it is a very deep God. It is wonder, it is both life and death, it is love, it is beyond, it's all those unanswered questions regrouped as one; God. Important also; what generated the beauty of nature (currently being destroyed) is also a part of it. Call me christian or whatever, but I feel that this force, this unknown mystery is driving me.

I use "it" to describe God not "he". I can't stand those who still think this God is "someone". I know it may not be the case for you (many good people on ANUS), but I wanted to make the thing clear.

I suggest that you read some real christian writings such as Kierkegaard or books about him (complicated author) and it might give you another point of view on Christianity (Althought it didn't change my point of view on CHRISTIANS). This is the reason why I'll never say I am Christian. I like the great theologist/philosophers that studied God but I can't stand Christians and any respectable Priests (Pastor, ...) are much too rare now.

One of the greatest mistakes in Christianity is to impose its value on people, while it should be the other way around. The people should come to admire God, but still... Who will really understand God.

For now, God is dead, but "Man is religious and will be religious again" and by religion I mean spirituality and most importantly philosophy. What's the value of such things in our society? None. The remains of spirituality today are stupid beliefs imposed by ignorant societies. Such thing doesn't even deserve being called spirituality.

Anyone interested in the subject should read "Does God Exist"


a very interesting debate between the leading theist and atheist philosophers of the late 20th century, one of whom (Anthony Flew) in recent years started expressing theist views.

Interzone / Re: Games for the metal community.
« on: October 02, 2007, 05:28:44 AM »
Personally, games have never interested me, though I've tried my hands at Half life, NFS, etc. I don't think it's a waste of time though, depending on what you learn from it, unless you're like some people I know that spend around 12 hours a day playing world of warcraft, and the other 12 asleep.

Metal / Re: The future of music is giving it away
« on: October 01, 2007, 05:35:46 AM »
I simply don't think people will value something given away for free as opposed to something you buy. Seems to reduce the quality of it somehow.

Interzone / Re: The last minority
« on: September 30, 2007, 04:33:18 PM »
What is born for bannings purpose here? No one buys into his crusade, or cares what he has to say. Why does he post here?

Like you once said, he's probably some elaborate troll created for the amusement of the admins, like that X-tian Holocaust surely had to be ;)

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