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Interzone / Re: A little thought experiment for y'all.
« on: January 09, 2011, 06:00:40 AM »
The main theme of humanity is that at least 90% of the people 90% of the time are and have always been engaged in unproductive, stupid, destructive or pointless behavior. A few rise above. That's what we live for.

How can you have a "healthy" society when most people are worthless, and those of value usually don't call the shots?

Interzone / Re: Praising Murderers
« on: January 09, 2011, 05:25:07 AM »
Everybody who kills people is a coward.

Metal / Re: Black/Death Metal Deaths
« on: January 08, 2011, 05:51:14 PM »
Gotta agree with the above comment. That's probably the most fitting death for an Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement moron that I've ever heard.

The dumbfucks didn't even market that shit to hell and back.  Mayhem were smart enough to pimp out Dead's corpse picture (granted, I know Dark of Black Hearts is a bootleg, but I'm quite sure that pic made its rounds beforehand).

Drop the NSBM and up with the Kentucky-Fried NBSM.  It's a real moneymaker.

Metal / Re: Atheist
« on: January 08, 2011, 05:47:59 PM »
I don't really have anything insightful to add except that when I first heard Atheist, I thought they were fucking terrible.  The album, of course, was Elements.

Thankfully I found this snobby ass site and I was corrected regarding the proper Atheist listening procedures.

Interzone / Re: A little thought experiment for y'all.
« on: January 07, 2011, 09:48:59 AM »
Plenty of traditional societies were far more healthy than the current culture is.  Quite a few weren't.  Certainly the monarchies of early modern Europe were fucking disasters, but then, they were the product of spent aristocratic societies holding on to the last vestiges of power by grasping at new technologies.  It is unfortunate that these cultures represent the last experience that the West had with monarchy and aristocratic government, as it obscures the essential nature of these forms of organization during healthy stages of development.

Which ones were healthy?

Interzone / Re: A little thought experiment for y'all.
« on: January 07, 2011, 07:47:59 AM »
Then you're arguing against a straw man.  I haven't seen anyone here suggest that there has ever been an example of a perfectly functioning society, or one in which all considerations but merit were swept aside.  So there's no such thing as Utopia.  We know.  Everyone knows.  To suggest, as you seem to be, that this means we should just give up and accept the status quo is classic illustration of the fallacy of false choice, though I suppose it might score you some internet points.

The point is that these societies weren't good, amazing, healthy, fundamentally different than the "now," or worth fixating upon.

Interzone / Re: A little thought experiment for y'all.
« on: January 07, 2011, 07:37:04 AM »
But how does your question illustrate this in any meaningful way?  It's just strikes me as an invitation to feel bad for people at the bottom of the social totem pole because, OMG, what if that were you?!!  The value of a "traditional" society has never been a guarantee that we would reap the benefits of sitting atop the social status heap, but that "traditional" societies are organized for productive living in a more sane, rational manner.  Now, you're free to dispute that point, but know you're not disputing it by asking people to imagine how shitty it would be if they were serfs.

I don't give a shit about people who are naturally losers, and I think I already said that.

Jewish Christ, the point (among others) is that there NEVER has been a society that's truly ever functioned on the basis of merit and worth.  I mean, I'm taking it for granted that the people here are all above average in intellect and ability (even though they like to entertain pretentious bullshit) so the idea is that if one was placed in the "scrape feces off the streets" "caste" for completely asinine reasons not related to, um, "genetic quality" they'd be less heartfelt of "the good old days."

"Tradional societies" never really had the "sane, rational manner" you describe.  Think of society today -- it's truly not that much different than the societies of the past except for some cosmetic transience.  The whole tradition shit is nonsense, people looking towards the past and seeing something that wasn't there.

As fucked as modern society is, the capitalist-egalitarian mindset of social darwinism is hilariously the most functional of all, theoretically speaking only -- no longer is some fatass inbred King sitting on a throne ruling people he's never met, or is some priest in the center of the village praising God while pimping whores afterhours. Though, all that's been replaced with by more of the same -- some faux-aristocracy of balding losers wearing business suits, or Oprahs or TV evangelists, so really, whaddya expect.

I could go on but, as you can see, I'm already losing focus.

Interzone / Re: A little thought experiment for y'all.
« on: January 07, 2011, 07:05:09 AM »
So what, then, is the point, if not just a silly emotive appeal to, "How would YOU feel?"

I don't think I phrased it like that at all -- though I was trying to illuminate that people aren't so objective as they like to think they are.

Society always has and will be bullshit.  That's mostly the point, though, the point doesn't end there.

Interzone / Re: Praising Murderers
« on: January 07, 2011, 07:03:35 AM »
What do you think of the celebration of some assassins - columbine, jeff weise, that finn, the asian (altough I don't think he was praised so much).

I praise them for sending a wake-up call, and for being right about a lot of things, but mostly I have compassion. It's usually a waste. The Asian dude had an awesome kill count but wasn't as clearly an ideological dissident. Pekka-Eric Auvinen and Jeff Weisse were the most clearly onto something.

Jeff Weise didn't really impress me either, he clearly didn't really have a coherent idealogy.  Kid just had problems -- he did grow up on a reservation, right?  He should've just chilled, found a better dealer, and stopped dressing up like some horned animal.

Pekka was clearly ubermensch.  Shame he had to waste himself on "terrorism."

Cho was fucking nuts, but holy shit, again, that kill count with 2 pistols (one being a .22) is pretty magnificent.  Then again, wild animals have better instincts than college weenies.

Metal / Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
« on: January 06, 2011, 04:14:25 PM »
I am so confident about winning the sled dog race, that I have sold all of my furniture so that I can have more practice space. With the money I win from the sled race, I will buy new furniture. I have never seen wiener dogs in an alaskan sled race before, but because of the early-on master training I am letting them have the opportunity to endure, I think my chances are at a solid 110%.

I think it your are pretty serious for your sled dog race that you sold your furniture for space but it is good that you are confident about it. I hope you win too so you can buy a newer furniture's for your home because we know it makes the house complete to live in. Anyways you can make furniture's for yourself if you like because with the right tools and materials it is easy to make one.

Holy fucking God, the spam bots are becoming more and more intelligent.

If they namedropped Burzum or Julius Evola, I don't think anybody would even realize.

Interzone / Re: Study shows realities of mate selection
« on: January 06, 2011, 04:11:08 PM »
I'm drinking milk.  This makes me attractive to the opposite sex.

DO NOT QUESTION THIS, FOR YOU WILL BE BURNED AND DIED.  Listening to Daft Punk helps, too.


Interzone / Re: A little thought experiment for y'all.
« on: January 06, 2011, 04:05:06 PM »
I don't really see the point to the OP's question, which strikes me more as a passive-aggressive appeal to fear than a legitimate inquiry.

* has nothing to contribute *

Hrrm, yes, yes, passive aggressive.  Hmm hmmm.  Yes.

Interzone / Re: A little thought experiment for y'all.
« on: January 06, 2011, 04:02:43 PM »
Then why did so many allow themselves to become slaves to enjoy a life in the mines?

I dunno.  Why do so many intelligent people support failed ideals?

How about you ask them?  My question still stands.

Interzone / Re: Criticisms of Jewish culture
« on: January 06, 2011, 04:01:48 PM »
Yeah, my decagonal wheels work.  I mean, that's a design which shouldn't be improved upon, right there.

They got spinners on them?

Interzone / Re: Diversity is genocide
« on: January 06, 2011, 02:04:28 PM »
You seem to value nurture more than nature. If you look at it from a naturalist perspective those people aren't on par with us so we can't expect the same sanity from them that we possess. Do you really believe that if we leave Islamic countries alone and allow them to become even more powerful there will suddenly magically be peace on earth? Why do you expect that? It's fraudulent humanist rhetoric if you ask me.

I should have been more clear, by "leave them alone" I meant stop giving them a hard time in terms of like invading them militarily, having a negative agenda towards them, having policies against them as 'economic sanctions', etc. But we would also have various relationships with them such as economic, so we wouldn't be isolating ourselves from them.

I understood what you meant the first time, if that's any consolation to you.

Trade is always the best way of maintaining peace -- especially moreso with our post-industrial economies.

The situation is probably much more complex than what Umbrage makes it out to be.  The big problem is Israel and the Islamic nations in the Middle East seem to be in some sort of dark age.  I saw we trade with them and slowly instill the best of western values into them; conning the mentally retarded into becoming suicide bombers may both be jihad and fucking hilarious, but it's not noble behavior.

This topic doesn't yet need another Israel/Jew related argument, but part of the "extremist" faction of ME muslims's anger with the west is because of the US meddling on Israel's behalf in addition to the US using political maneuvering to artificially lower the price of oil.  Though the neoconservatives insist that "they" hate our culture -- and that's true, yet dumbed-down for demagoguery -- it's retarded to lump a diverse area like the middle east into one singular ethnic and cultural identity.

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