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Interzone / Re: Is democracy really the problem?
« on: January 07, 2008, 10:30:09 AM »
Why the sudden retreat into binary oppositions?  As sages from Plato to Machiavelli have noted, the most successful state organizations have mixed constitutions that blend elements of democratic, monarchist, and aristocratic organization.  Sparta, Rome, the early Germanic societies, England - all of these cultures prospered by developing flexible systems of government that emphasized the strengths of their component elements, while compensating for their weaknesses.

Sparta, Rome, and early the Germanics had constitutions? Please explain.

I generally see a constitution (at least in the modern sense) simply as a codified bureaucracy, which has no place in a spiritually healthy society.

But I also agree that the binary and absolutist options being discussed are not really plausible in reality, but more correspond to certain political "elements" or "tendencies" which can be found in varying quantities throughout societies. For example, I would not label a society with an electoral process (ex: nobility electing kings as in ancient Rome and Germania) by any means as "democratic." A truly "democratic" society comes as a result of a general adherence to the purely quantitative principle, of which materialism and individualism are facets.

Obviously it is more important to firstly generate a strong nobility rather than ridding ourselves of democracy. To implement the latter at this point merely would seem to transfer political power from the hands of "the people" to the hands of the business class. I believe this was the perplexity raised by the initial poster. The problem is obvious to us because while it is evident that we do not currently live in a "true" democracy, we nonetheless see things becoming ever the more degenerated. In answer to the original question I would say that ultimately democracy is not the problem, but degraded values. I prefer to understand it largely as a symptom rather than a cause.

Interzone / Re: Is democracy really the problem?
« on: January 06, 2008, 10:28:12 PM »
If you are noble, what makes me think your son or grandson will be?


What about your top general?


Monarchy is an even less viable option than democracy.

I don't really see any reasons to support this notion. Firstly understand that in order to have a healthy society, Tradition (of which proper cultural values are an important part) must be reimplemented into the mainstream. As aside, this is necessary to avoid a totalitarian government in which everyone is monitored and told what exactly to do all the time. Keep in mind that social degeneration follows a retrograde movement from the top to the bottom; after the monarchy becomes corrupted, the "merchant class" or "bourgeoisie" takes power (capitalism), after which the "working class" or "proletariat" takes power (communism).

There is at least a potential for intelligent leadership in a monarchy, whereas a democracy is necessarily by definition of the common man, a rule by the stupid and mediocre. In the so-called "corporate oligarchy" that we more or less have today, it is rule by the selfish and ignoble. If we can't have a rule by the noble and intelligent (monarchy), I would rather be ruled by no one (anarchy) than by the mob (democracy).

I am reminded of the words of Linkola:

"Any dictatorship would be better than modern democracy. There cannot be so incompetent dictator, that he would show more stupidity than a majority of the people."

Interzone / Re: Is democracy really the problem?
« on: January 06, 2008, 08:31:40 PM »
You put way too much faith in humanity.

Not true. It's largely because of my lack of "faith in humanity" that I criticize democracy in the first place. However, as I believe I said earlier in this thread, I understand democracy to simply be a natural effect of a much more universal cause.

If you'd like, I could even cite for you real-life occurrences of people with both nobility of character and intelligence not found in Tolkien, fairytales, or the Bible.

Ignore metal r.i.p.; he's an internet bully.

I know. He and I go a ways back.  ;)

Interzone / Re: Is democracy really the problem?
« on: January 06, 2008, 10:48:26 AM »
those virtues are only dependable in Tolkien, fairytales and the Bible

Or history...

Or Plato...

Or Nietzsche...

Interzone / Re: Is democracy really the problem?
« on: January 05, 2008, 03:41:18 PM »
The ideal ruler must have both intelligence and noble character. With the former and not the latter, you have an exploitative member of the bourgeoisie. With the latter and not the former, an honest turnip-picker.

One who has not fully mastered themselves can never hope to fully master others. Instead of being ruled by honor and a sense of duty, he is ruled by greed and material wealth.

Interzone / Re: Is democracy really the problem?
« on: January 01, 2008, 06:37:26 PM »

Democracy can only exist in an already spiritually degenerated society. It emerges out of the loss of contact with the transcendent. This results in the decadence of the aristocracy and the perversion of the principles of the state.  As a result of losing its transcendental core, the state derives its legitimacy from, instead of eternal values, the irrational and collectivistic will of the masses.

Exactly. Democracy is a natural consequence of materialistic, quantitative society.

Interzone / Re: Proof of Survival After Death
« on: November 29, 2007, 08:25:39 PM »
The only way to conquer death is to realize the transient nature and non-existence of the subjective "I." Once one has eliminated spiritual craving and agitation, one has successfully transcended the limitations present in the categories of both "life" and "death."

When most people think about "life after death" they think about a continued existence of the subjective "I," which is obviously ridiculous. This type of notion is present largely in popular forms of Christianity and counterfeits of eastern doctrines, particularly that of "reincarnation."

Interzone / Re: Corpse Grinder rewrites Nietzsche
« on: November 29, 2007, 07:40:30 PM »
I was actually going to post this but it looks like someone beat me to it. ;)

Well anyway, let me be the first to congratulate George on demonstrating the life of a modern day pop star:

1) Perform mindless retard music.
2) Spend the rest of your time playing pointless computer games.

Also, perhaps it was only my imagination, but did anyone else detect in him a suspiciously Neanderthal-esque phenotype? Just a thought.

He honestly reminds me of what I would imagine an extremely foul-mouthed 10-year-old with fetal alcohol syndrome would sound like. If anyone here found the patience to actually sit down and watch this moron rant about nothing for seven and a half minutes, I am impressed.

The "Dethklok" shirt really puts the icing on the cake...

Metal / Re: Classic bands still reliable
« on: August 07, 2007, 07:51:56 PM »
I saw Demoncy live a few months ago. It was decent, although none of the people there (especially the younger kids) seemed interested whatsoever in them. Needless to say, they picked up their equipment and left in a hurry. :-/

My main problem with going to live shows (even the classic bands that I love) is that they are so heavily populated by "cool guy" hipsters who seem to possess a very low to mediocre amount of intelligence or knowledge ("vacuum-heads" as Varg put it).

Metal / Re: Metalheads and Media
« on: August 06, 2007, 08:14:47 AM »

It seems as though something can still be positive even if it is contained within a largely negative medium (Hollywood). In fact, we all apparently agree that this is the case with metal music: healthy, traditional ideas and classical structures that use modern instruments as a vehicle for expression. The same can essentially be said for movies. Even though I contend that 99% of movies produced in Hollywood are complete garbage, there still remains that rouge 1% that manages to be both aesthetically pleasing as well as ideologically compelling.

Now, this all rests on the assumption that something can be "better" simply by way of comparison, but I think there is some inherent value to be found in "trolling the media," or placing strong, healthy values in front of modern people who typically go to the movies for some mindless entertainment that reinforces unrealistic, degenerate values (ex. individualism).

In this light, I found "300" to be extremely moving. Here we find a movie that is by no means "historically accurate," but like ancient myths and romantic literature alike, it elucidates timeless values. It was unbelievably refreshing to see a movie that so unapologetically promoted strength (both mental and physical), hierarchy, discipline, elitism, loyalty, honor, courage, and self-sacrifice. It demonstrated the importance of eugenics and how quality is superior to quantity.

Also, "300" made an interesting analysis of the fundamental nature of egalitarianism: when the deformity named Ephialtes learns from Leonidas that he cannot serve in the Spartan army, he throws a fit and betrays his countrymen (leading the Persians to the hidden goat path), ushering in their defeat. I was amazed at how much this reminded me of Nietzsche's "Tarantula" argument, that egalitarianism stems from a type of Crowd Revenge committed by the inferior individuals who, refusing to accept their position in life, selfishly bring everyone who is superior down to their level.

Something that Xerxes said to Ephialtes struck me as well:

"You will find that I am kind. For unlike the cruel Leonidas, who demanded that you stand, I require only that you kneel." (Modern Society 101?)

Anyway, I can clearly see why so many reviews marked 300 as "racist, homophobic, fascist, xenophobic" etc. Any movie that dares to uphold traditional values with sincerity to an audience that has been indoctrinated by modern thinking is sure to get a similar response.

Just some food for thought.

Here is the website for the organization that was responsible for the infamous "Spartan workout." I found their ideas quite interesting: