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Interzone / Re: inherited worship
« on: October 23, 2007, 03:57:05 PM »
A (Judaism): All that matters is the quality of the French toast, so get good bread, measure the egg and nutmeg, and cook for five minutes on medium heat.

Please, could you explain about this one, born for banning?

Interzone / Re: Jazz and the essence of metal
« on: October 22, 2007, 02:06:35 PM »

This is not a quality argument. Individualism is not inherent to each individual.

Jazz expresses spontaneity, huh? You have low fucking standards for your art. Jazz denies structure because it's incompetent at it, but structure is what communicates something unique to each piece.

Metal has it, classical has it, and some electronic music has it. I prefer that to every piece being a variation on the same old never-ending jam.

To the idiot who said that jazz is about feeling: what a pretentious retard you are. All music is about feeling, and has feeling. You're just being a pretentious fucktard so you can feel how different you are. I have news for you: stupidity and self-delusion aren't unique or different. You failed.

You make me to remember when I talk with (very) professional orchestra musicians that admire jazz for the passion and interest it requires on each interpretation, because unfortunately, it's usual they get bored  with the
exact same structure of the same old works, played millions of times. Don't get me wrong, I love classical more than jazz, but to define it as a "never-ending jam" simply, makes me doubt honestly about your actual knowing about music, wich I thought firstly it was vast.

About you: it's understable that you try to raise above the anusian crowd, insulting is your mean to.

Isn't bad to insult, it's a waste of time.

Interzone / Re: Hair
« on: October 20, 2007, 10:50:09 PM »
I like to see it as a constructive flaming.

Even the hair is a good pretext  to bring discussions from another threads.

Interzone / Re: Jazz and the essence of metal
« on: October 20, 2007, 10:40:01 PM »

It sounded like you implied that the art is given meaning because it expresses the individual's emotions, I don't know if that's exactly what you meant but if it is, jazz has no will towards transcendence and is entirely individualistic, which is not true for metal or classical music.

Your will to trascend yourself, beggins, well, in you.

Tell me then, if you're sure that jazz musicians, at least the great, lack of that will.

Interzone / Re: Jazz and the essence of metal
« on: October 20, 2007, 09:01:49 PM »
Beethoven is the individual behind Beethoven's Ninth.  ;)

Where is the relationship with the selfishness of modern society?

Interzone / Re: Jazz and the essence of metal
« on: October 20, 2007, 07:39:33 AM »
I see no one bothered to respond to Vorago...it seems to me that where jazz fails is not in its expression, but in its lack of structure.  Jazz is a random sequence of emotions, and while these may be beatiful in themselves, the fact that they are part of a random sequence means they have no contextual meaning.  In metal emotions are put in context of a logical, structured narrative allowing them to contribute to a whole that is more than the sum of its parts.  Jazz has alot of cool 'parts' but no unifying whole which would allow it to fully articulate an idea.

If you can't find the person (style) behind that sum of parts, you will never find the context. If there's no context, you can say then that Duke Ellington and John Coltrane sound exactly the same.

You can hear birdsongs in the violins of Vivaldi's Spring.

Can someone tell me a solid reason, why it couldn't be possible in jazz?

I found jazz cold once too, until I started to express with it my own momentary narrative.

Interzone / Re: Hair
« on: October 19, 2007, 10:25:16 PM »
Chasm: Talk and Relax.

What do you think the chasm is for if we already have a serious metal forum?

Relax, or leave.

It doesn't matter how much posed blackmetal grimmness has been ridiculized, still happens.

Interzone / Re: Jazz and the essence of metal
« on: October 19, 2007, 10:18:24 PM »
Metal, Jazz and Classical are my favorite genres of music because they show either a lot of musicianship or verve and vivacity, and sometimes both. I always thought the people of ANUS were forgetting jazz.

I agree completely.

I too once liked jazz. Then I learned to think like a philosopher. Now to me it is litter by the side of the freeway, a rusted car in the parking lot of an abandoned factory, the speech of a politician in wartime. .

Jazz is momentary, but also communicative through imagination, and that differs it from disposable entertainment.

It's trascende lies on it's spontaneous ephemerality. You would have to live it as musician rather that thinking it like a philosopher.

Interzone / Re: How do you deal with "normals"?
« on: October 19, 2007, 03:43:38 AM »

Judging from your post, you are anything but 'normal'.

Like Apocalyptic Raves said, please explain.

Basic: most people here, according what you can read,  find pointless to scold common people, because anyhow they will never understand their own idiocy.

I can assume then, these options: you're frustated would like to yell idiot on everyone but you don't have the balls, or you point stupidity on those you think are able to notice it.

Interzone / Re: How do you deal with "normals"?
« on: October 18, 2007, 02:09:34 PM »
I have noticed that almost everyone here in the forum, don't insult deliverately "normal" or "common" people on real life.

Thus, if someone here calls you idiot, we have two choices:

- That person is a repressed kid that can't express in real life.

- That person appreciate your intelligence.

Interzone / Re: slam death
« on: October 17, 2007, 07:28:59 AM »

Interzone / Re: How do you deal with "normals"?
« on: October 16, 2007, 05:19:52 PM »
Of course that Hessian doesn't mean "not normal".
Of course everyone is normal to his own parameters.
It is just a way of speech.

Interzone / Re: How do you deal with "normals"?
« on: October 16, 2007, 04:54:56 PM »
Talking about normality, comes to my mind also something called "common sense".

I'd like to live on a sane herd where actually common sense is sensible, I wonder if sarcasm isn't something selfish to achieve it.

Metal / Re: Death metal and jazz
« on: October 16, 2007, 04:34:39 PM »
The important thing about theory isn't really to imitate common movements, but to learn how to organize sounds without imitating as possible.

Interzone / How do you deal with "normals"?
« on: October 15, 2007, 12:53:21 PM »
On this forum, some people call you stupid retard for less than dissagre wheter an album is trascendental or not.

But, on real life, what's your degree of tolerance (or intolerance)? Towards people close to you whom you inevitably have to deal with, that likes MTV, reality shows, fast food, etc.

Do you tell them always the truths, and how?

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