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Interzone / Be a real "internet person"
« on: May 02, 2009, 02:43:45 PM »
Step 1:

Wait for something to post something positive.

Step 2:

Invent or use common canards to make it look stupid.

Step 3:

Revel in how elite you are; you're so pure you don't do anything but discuss ideas on the internet

Step 4:

Wait for your inaction to doom you personally, and your society.

Interzone / Awesome metal voyeurism
« on: April 19, 2009, 04:35:39 PM »

If you click this link, it tells you who's on the forum and what page they last viewed.

It's an interesting voyeurism to see what people are downloading from Audiofile...

Interzone / Literature that reads like metal sounds
« on: April 16, 2009, 06:51:20 AM »
The most metal books ever:

* Journey to the End of the Night, Louis-Ferdinand Celine
* The Possibility of an Island, Michel Houellebecq
* The Sun Also Rises, Ernest Hemingway
* Naked Lunch, William S. Burroughs
* White Noise, Don Delillo
* Heart of Darkness, Joseph Conrad
* American Psycho, Bret Easton Ellis
* The Bonfire of the Vanities, Tom Wolfe
* Moby-Dick, Herman Melville
* The Story of the Eye, Georges Bataille
* Brave New World, Aldous Huxley

These books are metal in spirit and topic, and should keep you reading for awhile. If you haven't read all of them, you might consider it, since most of this list is essential for current cultural literacy anyway. Fiction only.

Interzone / The old ethics crumble
« on: April 13, 2009, 01:21:08 AM »
So what if you could do a head transplant with a healthy brain onto a healthy body?

People will sell you their kids for $100,000 and you can use their bodies. Kind of neat. Unethical, well -- they say that now. But when the money flows, it's going to be another story.

What about the link between genetics and intelligence or worse, the link between evolution and morality?

Life is more complicated than Christian morality and its secular godless counterpart, liberal progressive humanism/revolutionary thought, can address.

Black metal's response was not to do what seemed linearly right or profitable, but to do what is beautiful... to shoot for the highest star and celebrate death, tragedy and horror as much as life and light.

Seems balanced to me. You take the negative in hand up front, and have no surprises and skeletons in the closet that way.

Metal / Rudra
« on: March 28, 2009, 02:06:39 PM »
I think this band is highly underrated. Even if they are Indian Jews (and one is half-Irish), their music is quite good, sort of like a more rock n rolly collision between Cadaver and Obituary.

Interzone / Growing up without growing up
« on: February 25, 2009, 05:43:22 PM »
It seems to me metal addresses this need.

"Growing up" as we know it in modern times means accepting a lot of stuff as unchanging, giving up on meaning beyond the material, dedicating yourself to a life of rote.

What if growing up instead meant becoming realistic, so that you could see how the world works and use that to make sense of what you must do?

Metal does this through the allegory of fantasy. Battle, natural selection, disease, death and hunting of demons are all metal topics. Each one emphasizes a metaphor for reality: struggle, purging of the parasitic, and doing what is required to assert positive dominance.

If we can grow up by accepting literal reality, we can do what we need to in order to survive without it dominating us, and without taking on that hopelessness of those who "grew up" by reducing their hopes for life to material demands.

Metal may be a truer maturity than most ever discover in adulthood.

Interzone / It's cool to be out of touch
« on: February 25, 2009, 05:15:41 PM »
Our society has a mania for remotely connecting to the herd.

  • 24 hour news, blackberries, email, chat, cell phones that people are constantly on without saying anything important, and so on.
  • More importantly, they're always trying to tell you what is real and what is cool. They come up with some survey that takes one factor out of a million and compares it after some irrelevant experiment, and then tell you that definitively the two are causally related. Advertising, friends, social groups and media talking heads all tell you what's cool or hip to believe, and they imply that if you're not hip and cool you're regressive and ignorant.
  • Then there's stuff that people do to feel in touch and cool. Watch TV and movies. Play video games. Read popular books. Check out the latest magazines. Be on mySpace.

I think there's a value in disconnecting from it all and finding real value in actual utility.

Does this object bring you transcendent joy? Then why waste the time... an Xbox 360 is a paltry comparison to a stable mind.

Does this activity make you feel more powerful? Or are you just feeling... in touch... and now you've got people around you to tell you you're cool, so you never grow up and develop self-esteem on your own.

Hours on movies, video games, TV, etc.

Throw it all out.

I'm not saying "turn off the TV, read a book." I'm saying back away from all of it. Herd-activities are senseless. Do something constructive, creative -or- just enjoy silence in your mind, heart and ears. From that comes the will to know yourself, thus to like yourself, thus to know what to do that makes a full life instead of just a filled-with-crap one.

Junk the plastic activities. Live whole.

Interzone / What metal tshirt is this hipster wearing?
« on: February 15, 2009, 06:54:59 AM »

Pop chav on stage wearing shirt

I do not recognize this tshirt logo. Can anyone help? Probably a Brokeback Island band.

Interzone / On a metal hunt...
« on: January 23, 2009, 08:59:08 PM »
Looking for newer stuff that's good.

Anyone know of anything that's missing from Audiofile, but good, that needs exploring (and uploading)?

Interzone / How to get ANUS publically accepted
« on: January 16, 2009, 02:16:27 PM »
As most of you may know, I wander around the net looking for metal people with whom to connect. I find some interesting ones.

ANUS faces an uphill battle in that in order to influence metal itself, it needs to be bigger and more powerful and have more people visit it. The problem is that, like ancient people, people here believe in plainly speaking the truth, but those who we'd like to have among us are accustomed to "social reality," where people first say something to please others and only secondarily care if it has truth value.

But if we care about getting truth established, we need to learn to speak this language.

Here's the dialogue:


Quote from: Chaosmönger
Quote from: Metal Abortion
I doubt they've done anything to you. Are you just in violent disagreement? It seems like it goes farther than that with you. WHy?

For the reasons already stated on the forum.  I understand metal is very much appreciated by A.N.U.S., but I have seen the members berate others over the years for differring opinions and that doesn't sit well with me, including Prozak.  I've been on the internet since '96 - '97 and have witnessed a lot of the trolling and propaganda that comes from that social club.

For example, within the last month's time, a person from A.N.U.S. trolled this very forum just to inform everyone that someone began a thread who hates the Braveboard's members.  Maturity at its finest.

Rising above mediocrity is one thing, but when one has to kick others in order to have the appearance of standing taller, that irks me.


Quote from: Chaosmönger
No, I'm not attempting to kick others but rather put them in their place.  I appreciate differring opinions, but the entire "bad metal and bad thinking" idea doesn't sit well with me, either.  As I've stated elsewhere, raising one's opinion to the level of Universal Law is pointless where personal preference is concerned.  There is no way to prove through scientific method what is "good" and what is "bad".  It's all opinions and nothing more.

And no, I have not read that book.

Quote from: Metal Abortion
Isn't that what you're attempting to do? They dislike some things, and like others, and I don't think assuming that one forum thread represents the view of all ANUS members is accurate.

Come try us out. There are differing opinions here and all are welcome. What is disliked is bad metal and bad thinking, which probably deserves a good kick in the pants.

I grant you that some of us have been too aggressive about this in the past, but we're doing our best to fix that, and to keep the forum members who do this under control.


Thank you for being honest. Of all the things that could save humanity from itself, honesty is the one. Have you read the book "Radical Honesty" by Brad Blanton?

...some good points raised here. I hope this individual will come join us, but it's hard for others to come here, because they'll get negative feedback from their peer groups on other forums, and most people use the internet and metal to socialize primarily. But people should read this with an open mind and see what each of us can do to make ANUS more accessible without losing its truthfulness.

Interzone / Violating social taboos
« on: January 02, 2009, 10:43:49 AM »
This whole society is a conspiracy to avoid facing reality. It favors the weak, like an easy job that you hate but it's so easy why not stay.

I like shattering its taboos, speaking the unpopular truth, violating its obsolete social norms, throwing away the bad and holding up the good.

I'm looking for more clear ways to establish:


1. The relationship between Romanticist art and heavy metal
2. The relationship between classical composition (ring composition, narrative composition, motifs) and heavy metal
3. The post-human side of the metal perspective


1. The biological basis of race, ethnicity, gender and individual differences
2. The historical pattern of civilization decline and how it applies to us
3. The relationship between ugly, meaningless surroundings and neurosis


1. That healthy, smart people are rarely a source of problems
2. That having lower standards always exempts us from effort, so most like it
3. That the average person's pretense is humility

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« on: December 31, 2008, 10:17:11 AM »
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Interzone / Class conflict in metal
« on: December 30, 2008, 07:56:30 PM »
This issue has many sides, and I'm not sure what I think about it.

In general, it seems that upper-middle-class people look down on heavy metal as being for yahoos and blue-collar workers.

The middle class seems accepting of it, but then there's conflict between the very metal suburban middle class and the more urban punks -- although probably about half of them are suburban kids who are just pretending.

Within metal, some music appeals to one group over others, and the creators vary widely. At the Gates came from an upper middle class background, as did Sepultura.

I wonder how much of the misunderstandings of a deliberate nature come from the passive and gnarled nature of this conflict.

Metal / SLAYER release full "Psychopathy Red" song
« on: December 27, 2008, 08:03:04 AM »
Revolver: What keeps SLAYER together at this point?

Tom: We just… we do what we do, and we're fans of the band. We know what we can get away with and what we can't. Because we're such big fans of what we do, we can step back and say, "Hmm, I wouldn't like that. That wouldn't be cool," and the other guys can go, "Yeah, you're right." Or we can hear something we like and go, "Wow, that's awesome!" That's basically how we look at things. That's how we approach what we do as a band, so it's probably why we've been doing what we do as long as we have. It's just natural.


Metal / MORBID ANGEL trying to return to FFF energy levels
« on: December 27, 2008, 07:58:55 AM »
"We played the new song 'Nevemore' [see video below] on the last tour and that kind of shows where our heads are at," he said. "I'd say it's like an assemblage of all sorts of stuff from the catalog and some new influences. I listen to a lot of hardcore [techno] music now — the fuckin' serious, artistic stuff, not that crap you hear at the clubs. That stuff has impact and it's really extreme. Even if there's no guitar in it or no real drums, the energy coming out of the speakers is amazing."

When asked who's going to be producing the album and what label it will be on, Azagthoth replied, "All I can say is, when it's ready, it's going to be extreme and outside the box. And, hopefully, the songs will inspire people to look deeper inside themselves for 'the stuff' and to tap that potential that we as human beings have."


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