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Interzone / Deep Ecology is bullshit
« on: March 29, 2014, 05:47:14 AM »
Sums up the argument quite well:

Edit: Some introductory remarks, courtesy of a young Neoreactionary:

positions on environmentalism+hard green+conservationism?

Systemic short time-preference leading to disaster is definitely a thing, so, while the environmentalists' particular concerns may or may not be well-founded, the mechanism underlying them definitely merits great concern. If global warming isn't true, there will eventually be something like it that is.

Conservationism is a difficult problem. There will always be people like Kaczynski who want to go 'back to nature', and I don't see the harm in keeping around some place for them if possible -- but we've already run out of frontier and we really haven't figured out what to do about that. (There's a related problem: even if we had frontier, it wouldn't be a viable escape method, given the shift away from farming. This will be ameliorated somewhat by the rise of tech jobs that can be done from anywhere with an internet connection, but only somewhat -- and once jobs start to run out and basic income takes over, most people will be pretty much reduced to serfdom as far as exit goes.)

As for hard green: primitivism is ridiculous bullshit, and not just because it's an impossibly unstable strategy unless the entire world does it. Linkola's vision for humanity is one that reduces its entire existence to a massive act of masturbation. To hell with all that.


Interzone / Beowulf
« on: February 02, 2012, 08:58:08 AM »
A summary: The background of Beowulf is endless tribal warfare driven by unbridled vengeance, blood lust, and avarice. As a cure to the epidemic violence, morality is fabricated with ligaments such as reciprocity, kinship, and peace-weaving, though all prove to be illusory. In the foreground of this amoral battleground stands Beowulf, the good king who fights fantastical embodiments of these aforementioned vices despite the fact that his fate is to be defeated in the end.

It is a great wonder
how Almighty God in His magnificence
favours our race with rank and scope
and the gift of wisdom; His sway is wide.
Sometimes He allows the mind of a man
of distinguished birth to follow his bent,
grants him fulfilment and felicity on earth
and forts to command in his own country.
He permits him to lord it in many lands
until the man in his unthinkingness
forgets that it will ever end for him.
He indulges his desires; illness and old age
mean nothing to him; his mind is untroubled
by envy or malice or the thought of enemies
with their hate-honed swords. The whole world
conforms to his will, he is kept from the worst
until an element of overweening
enters him and takes hold
while the soul's guard, its sentry, drowses,
grown too distracted. A killer stalks him,
An archer who draws a deadly bow.

An absolute gem of ancient literature, I'm surprised that it isn't cited more often here. It's a handy reference for those interested in what it means to be a warrior, and how this is distinguished from being a brute.

For every one of us, living in this world means
waiting for our end. Let whoever can
win glory before death. When a warrior is gone,
that will be his best and only bulwark.

Sometimes it seems like they is a very low moral bar by which men are measured, but this is often an insight into the greater motives as opposed to specific actions.

So ought a kinsman act,
instead of plotting and planning in secret
to bring people to grief, or conspiring to arrange
the death of comrades.

Like most any old / good text, it requires a bit of decrypting in order to understand what is being implied. I'm interested to hear how others here have deciphered its meaning, or any general thoughts.

For those who haven't read it, here's an online translation: http://www.heorot.dk/beowulf-rede-text.html. I'd recommend the Heaney translation, but I've only been able to find it as a scrbd doc: http://www.scribd.com/doc/20757289/Beowulf-a-New-Verse-Translation-Seamus-Heaney

Interzone / Nihilism as a method of observation
« on: October 25, 2011, 01:15:37 PM »
A tempting reason to adopt a particular worldview is the expectation of it being able to function as a sort of problem solving device. Once we are able to find symbolic clues as to how variables should be assigned, we plug them into the equations that this worldview provides to us and voilà! A few simple computations and an answer is given, often in the form of a short aphorism that can be used to solve whichever mystery life has thrown at us.

For example, I often hear Christians declaring that a separation from Jesus is the definitive diagnosis of a flawed individual or society. Their equation is a quite simple one because it involves a universal constant (our inherent need for salvation) that ensures that the same answer be given back every time: redemption from said flaws can only be found through the acceptance of Jesus as Lord of their life.

This is a pitfall that one must be wary of in all walks of life. Any worldview that approaches life with preordained conclusions is destined to fail. There will inevitable come a situation in which the equations don’t offer a logical evaluation to the issue at hand. The adherents of said equations become confused as to why their answer isn’t working. They respond by either abandoning their current worldview and searching for a new one that is better adapted to this obstacle they have encountered, or they cling on to them and hope that what happened was a “glitch” in reality that they need not be accountable for. Neither response works towards something that is of greater value: a clear and “dispassionate” observation of our self and the world which contains it.

Quote from:  Jiddu Krishnamurti
We do not know how to look at a problem dispassionately. We are not capable of it, unfortunately, because we want a result from the problem, we want an answer, we are looking to an end; or we try to translate the problem according to our pleasure or pain; or we have an answer already on how to deal with the problem. Therefore we approach a problem, which is always new, with the old pattern. The challenge is always the new, but our response is always the old; and our difficulty is to meet the challenge adequately, that is fully.


Even with the long hours we may devote to the study of subjects such as eternal truths, the direction of our society, the origins of modern decay and the forging of healthy alternatives, we mustn’t fall into the habit of trying to translate these ideas into handy dandy equations that can provide simple resolutions to every little conflict and decision we must face in our day to day life.

Interzone / Infiltrating Humanism
« on: September 29, 2011, 09:33:18 AM »
I think that adherents of even the most flawed ideologies must reorient themselves in times of decay by reexamining their values in order to better understand their actual implications. One realization that may come about through this process is that overvaluing a single component of a large system results in it's own undoing.

I stumbled upon an advert for a local humanist society the other day, and was somewhat surprised by it's content. Here are a few of the discussion topics it listed:

Quote from: FLIER
Cognitive biases: How can we make major decisions in life and in the world when our minds have such subtle biases?

Transhumanism: Should we control our own evolution?

Popuation control: We evolved for life on a small scale. How can we live together on a large one?

Species-ism: Should we look out for all sentient life, even to our own detriment?

Anyone else noticing this trend? Seems like humanists are catching onto the fact that putting humans first works for the detriment of the greater whole, humanity included.

Metal / Hessian Shopping Guide
« on: September 27, 2011, 03:11:02 PM »
Since we have discussed the merits of maintaining a physical music collection, I think it would be helpful to identifying the best venues of purchasing said products. Though amazon.com is quite convenient, it is essentially the internet's Walmart and detracts sales from a preferential source: the local record shop.

This thread can be used as a reference for travelling Hessians who wish seek out music stores in the lands they wander, particularly those with a considerable metal / classical / ambient collection.

I will do some searching to find those that have already been referenced and update this post with what I find.

Posting the name and general location of the store is sufficient. Web address would be helpful too, if available.

 - Black Raven Records (Victoria, BC)

 - Resurrection Records (London)

 - Neseblod Records (Oslo)

 - Aquarius (San Francisco, CA)
 - Aron's Records (Los Angeles, CA)
 - Bionic (Huntington Beach, CA)
 - Bleecker Bob's (Melrose, CA)
 - Dark Realm (Downey, CA)
 - Generation Records (NYC, NY)
 - The Great Escape (Nashville, TN)
 - Green Hell (Sherman Oaks, CA)
 - Hog Wild (San Antonio, TX)
 - Hospital Productions (New York, NY)
 - Impulse Music (Chicago, IL)
 - Nuclear War Now (Redwood City, CA)
 - Reckless Records (Chicago, IL)
 - Rhino Records (Claremont, CA)
 - Rock Fantasy (Middletown, NY)
 - Sound Exchange (Houston, TX)
 - Soundwaves (Houston, TX)
 - Vinal Edge (Houston, TX)
 - Vintage Vinyl (Fords, NJ)

Worldwide Mailorder
 - Transcendental Creations (Canada)
 - Hell's Headbangers (USA)