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Metal / The Live Experience
« on: March 08, 2014, 09:06:08 PM »
For several reasons, chiefly my location and the idea of a live environment had no appeal, I have never attended a show. In the 90s there was a mentality that the opportunity to see favorite bands would always be there, should I change my mind.

The environment no longer daunts me (yeah, I was a wuss), and he number of quality bands will continue to decline. On top of this, a live experience is something I've come to imagine is necessary.

Most, if not all of you, have had these experiences. What suggestions  would you give to someone who will be making a long dive and.possibly only doing this once. Which worthwhile bands are still out.there, touring the US?

Mortem have played in LA a couple times in recent years.  I wonder how good they are live. All things to consider, there is a lot of Googling and review reading to do if this is to be undertaken.

Metal / A request: "Proto-underground" recommendations?
« on: March 02, 2014, 03:40:07 AM »
According to a recent post, the bands Bathory, Celtic Frost, Sepultura and Sarcofago are considered proto-underground.  This was defined by one poster as "more than speed metal but not quite death/black metal".

What are some worthwhile band or albums to check out for listeners whose favorite bands include all of the (in some cases only early work) aforementioned artists?

Metal / Ainulindale
« on: August 30, 2012, 11:57:57 PM »
The Silmarillion, by JRR Tolkien


(The Music of the Ainur)
There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called Ilúvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made. And he spoke to them, propounding to them themes of music; and they sang before him, and he was glad. But for a long while they sang only each alone, or but few together, while the rest hearkened; for each comprehended only that part of me mind of Ilúvatar from which he came, and in the understanding of their brethren they grew but slowly. Yet ever as they listened they came to deeper understanding, and increased in unison and harmony.

And it came to pass that Ilúvatar called together all the Ainur and declared to them a mighty theme, unfolding to them things greater and more wonderful than he had yet revealed; and the glory of its beginning and the splendour of its end amazed the Ainur, so that they bowed before Ilúvatar and were silent.
Then Ilúvatar said to them: 'Of the theme that I have declared to you, I will now that ye make in harmony together a Great Music. And since I have kindled you with the Flame Imperishable, ye shall show forth your powers in adorning this theme, each with his own thoughts and devices, if he will. But I win sit and hearken, and be glad that through you great beauty has been wakened into song.'

Then the voices of the Ainur, like unto harps and lutes, and pipes and trumpets, and viols and organs, and like unto countless choirs singing with words, began to fashion the theme of Ilúvatar to a great music; and a sound arose of endless interchanging melodies woven in harmony that passed beyond hearing into the depths and into the heights, and the places of the dwelling of Ilúvatar were filled to overflowing, and the music and the echo of the music went out into the Void, and it was not void. Never since have the Ainur made any music like to this music, though it has been said that a greater still shall be made before Ilúvatar by the choirs of the Ainur and the Children of Ilúvatar after the end of days. Then the themes of Ilúvatar shall be played aright, and take Being in the moment of their utterance, for all shall then understand fully his intent in their part, and each shall know the comprehension of each, and Ilúvatar shall give to their thoughts the secret fire, being well pleased.

But now Ilúvatar sat and hearkened, and for a great while it seemed good to him, for in the music there were no flaws. But as the theme progressed, it came into the heart of Melkor to interweave matters of his own imagining that were not in accord with the theme of Ilúvatar, for he sought therein to increase the power and glory of the part assigned to himself. To Melkor among the Ainur had been given the greatest gifts of power and knowledge, and he had a share in all the gifts of his brethren. He had gone often alone into the void places seeking the Imperishable Flame; for desire grew hot within him to bring into Being things of his own, and it seemed to him that Ilúvatar took no thought for the Void, and he was impatient of its emptiness. Yet he found not the Fire, for it is with Ilúvatar. But being alone he had begun to conceive thoughts of his own unlike those of his brethren.

Some of these thoughts he now wove into his music, and straightway discord arose about him, and many that sang nigh him grew despondent, and their thought was disturbed and their music faltered; but some began to attune their music to his rather than to the thought which they had at first. Then the discord of Melkor spread ever wider, and the melodies which had been heard before foundered in a sea of turbulent sound. But Ilúvatar sat and hearkened until it seemed that about his throne there was a raging storm, as of dark waters that made war one upon another in an endless wrath that would not be assuaged.

Then Ilúvatar arose, and the Ainur perceived that he smiled; and he lifted up his left hand, and a new theme began amid the storm, like and yet unlike to the former theme, and it gathered power and had new beauty. But the discord of Melkor rose in uproar and contended with it, and again there was a war of sound more violent than before, until many of the Ainur were dismayed and sang no longer, and Melkor had the mastery. Then again Ilúvatar arose, and the Ainur perceived that his countenance was stern; and he lifted up his right hand, and behold! a third theme grew amid the confusion, and it was unlike the others. For it seemed at first soft and sweet, a mere rippling of gentle sounds in delicate melodies; but it could not be quenched, and it took to itself power and profundity. And it seemed at last that there were two musics progressing at one time before the seat of Ilúvatar, and they were utterly at variance. The one was deep and wide and beautiful, but slow and blended with an immeasurable sorrow, from which its beauty chiefly came. The other had now achieved a unity of its own; but it was loud, and vain, and endlessly repeated; and it had little harmony, but rather a clamorous unison as of many trumpets braying upon a few notes. And it essayed to drown the other music by the violence of its voice, but it seemed that its most triumphant notes were taken by the other and woven into its own solemn pattern.

In the midst of this strife, whereat the halls of Ilúvatar shook and a tremor ran out into the silences yet unmoved, Ilúvatar arose a third time, and his face was terrible to behold. Then he raised up both his hands, and in one chord, deeper than the Abyss, higher than the Firmament, piercing as the light of the eye of Ilúvatar, the Music ceased.

Has a decent attempt at the Ainulindale ever been recorded? Symphonic Black Metal comes to mind when reading about the third theme. I'm curious if any Tolkien readers are reminded of the Ainulindale by any albums or songs, be they metal it classical. Is extreme metal the only kind of music capable of conveying the greatest beauty and destruction at once together, as two necessary parts of a whole?

Does a mind that can see our civilization is doomed, is aware of his own ignorance, and can form his own opinions about everything,  necessarily have a higher IQ than the minds who appear to be blind to reality, and are stuck on political correctness?

I did not used to think so. I've recently decided it would be interesting to learn more about this. Does anyone know of any articles or studies on the relation between IQ score and worldview? Or IQ and anything other than scholastic aptitude for that matter.

Isn't there a consensus here that 120 would be a good cut off point? This raises the question of why. What is it about 120 that makes a significant difference? Why not 110, or 130? Is 120 the point at which a mind is generally capable of understanding those beliefs that you guys have with regards to how the world should be? Are people with average IQ only capable of going along with intelligent policy in a mindless follower sense?

Is depression and difficulty adapting to modern society more prevalent among those of higher intelligence?

If someone suffers depression and is unable to be productive, isn't it possible that in a dramatically different society he might thrive and reach new levels of greatness?

Isn't modern society insane, and adapting to it without being torn in two is a challenge for many? And have we reached a point in our evolution as a species where ability to remain sane in the face of an insane civilization is among our most valuable traits to pass on? Where once it may have been brute strength or strategic thinking, the ability to socialize in clans... now it is the ability to adapt to insanity? And if so, is this trait one that is only useful for several generations? How does the fact of our rapidly changing lifestyles effect our course of evolution in the long run? On the one hand, things are changing so quickly that evolution cannot keep up, or adaptions are quickly rendered absolete before they have fully taken root. We essentially created a monkey-wrench in evolution. On the other, evolution is what it is; whoever comes out alive, regardless of how or why, and regardless of technology's role in artificially effecting it, are the best.