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Chasm / Question pertaining to "Objectivism" and Machiavellian pragmatism
« on: November 19, 2012, 04:51:50 PM »
The Objectivist dogma seems to suggest that all must be done for the 'self' and 'my consciousness'.
Combining this with Machiavelli's pragmatism (or using it as a way to get what you want) seems to be the height of egotistical thinking. Or, is Machiavelli no longer pragmatic in this scenario because it is applied with regards to a 'self-serving' morality?
Is the problem ultimately the self based philosophy of Obj.? Or even broader: is Objectivism just an 'excuse' to apply stuff for one's own gain?
This may seem rather obvious, but I'm trying to grab a bit of advice on the issue- because I don't see it as difficult for some person stuffed with themselves to go ahead and abuse Machiavelli's terminology like this: "I am a prince. I am not constrained by morality. I will do anything and everything to get what I want."
The prince always just struck me as what is realistically needed to manage a country, but not some term to be applied to self-bloated folks. Or am I walking a dangerous line here unawares?
Combining this with Machiavelli's pragmatism (or using it as a way to get what you want) seems to be the height of egotistical thinking. Or, is Machiavelli no longer pragmatic in this scenario because it is applied with regards to a 'self-serving' morality?
Is the problem ultimately the self based philosophy of Obj.? Or even broader: is Objectivism just an 'excuse' to apply stuff for one's own gain?
This may seem rather obvious, but I'm trying to grab a bit of advice on the issue- because I don't see it as difficult for some person stuffed with themselves to go ahead and abuse Machiavelli's terminology like this: "I am a prince. I am not constrained by morality. I will do anything and everything to get what I want."
The prince always just struck me as what is realistically needed to manage a country, but not some term to be applied to self-bloated folks. Or am I walking a dangerous line here unawares?
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Chasm / Gustave Le Bon & crowd psychology
« on: February 13, 2012, 01:24:52 AM »
In my history class in school, we're reading a work published in 1896 which rather accurately mirrors ANUS's sentiments on crowds- especially as they appear in the age of modernity.
I have a link to the PDF file so check it out if interested: www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsocserv.mcmaster.ca%2Fecon%2Fugcm%2F3ll3%2Flebon%2FCrowds.pdf&ei=YMA1T9neLoKL2AXHzsH3Aw&usg=AFQjCNGqdFCEszVf8rmFosfq8-bGnvx-dA&sig2=J6Xl1Y8pJRt5-08hI3XAiw
I have a link to the PDF file so check it out if interested: www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsocserv.mcmaster.ca%2Fecon%2Fugcm%2F3ll3%2Flebon%2FCrowds.pdf&ei=YMA1T9neLoKL2AXHzsH3Aw&usg=AFQjCNGqdFCEszVf8rmFosfq8-bGnvx-dA&sig2=J6Xl1Y8pJRt5-08hI3XAiw
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Metal / Trophic levels in metal?
« on: December 18, 2010, 05:13:44 PM »
Trophic levels in metal riffing
Let’s just cut right to the chase. Metal riffing is usually most successful when there is a large transfer of energy from one riff to another, as this is how the song communicates. Multiple riffs or layered riffs in the best metal often manage to achieve complex intertwining tension trade-offs, whether it be the battering complexity of tracks like “Fall From Grace” or poignant riffing of “My Journey to the Stars”.
Melody, rhythm, and just about everything play into this structuring of music.
Trophic levels seem to be a good metaphor for this:
-A-
---B---
-----C-----
-------D-------
(Losing energy as you travel up the food chain)
Something like that. Much like how trophic levels have certain amounts of energy being transferred from one member in the food change to the next, riffs have that power as well. The main difference is that riffs are not locked into certain energy transfers, but rather by manipulating this, we can see varied results.
For example:
If we take a band that has very high net energy transfer, we get something like this.
-------A-------
-------B-------
-------C-------
-------D-------
(energy is transferred totally from level to level; sturdy structure technique can fail if not enough energy spread throughout. Unlike later FAIL in that it has a large amount of energy that maintains interest.)
In this case, we have a song that transfers all energy from one riff to the next. This tradeoff creates an intense song, maintaining power throughout.
Now let’s take something more complex:
-------A-------
-----B-----
--C--
----A----
(repetition of A riff later on is given more poignancy by putting in two riffs which help magnify its later recurrence.)
Now, we begin with a riff, before cycling into a riff with a distinct lack of power in comparison to the first (C), but this riff paves the way for the more powerful riff following it, and to cap it off, the initial riff is repeated, creating a sense of importance.
This structure would be a “journey” as ANUS puts it, as the same riff is used at both the end and beginning, but the last one is more important due to interaction in between. (Mind you that there can definitely be more than 3 riffs, this is just an example.)
Now for ambient, it’s different:
-----
---- ----
------- --------
---------- A ----------
------- -------
---- ----
-----
(Different in that the idea is "framed" inside the music, as stated somewhere else on forum)
Now these are the ways you can FAIL.
-A-
-B-
-C-
-D-
-E-
-F-
(Loads of riffs, but there is no journey or real kinetic friction, so something like Necrophagist could be likened to this, “riff buffet”. NO difference in energy levels, and very little to start with)
--A (It's probably C in disguise actually)--
--B--
-C-
(metalcore, AKA caveman structure. Very little variance, and the small jump in energy from C to B is pretty pathetic anyway)
Metal is interesting in that it can use both the ambient and riff like structure to great effect.
Let me know what you think, what can I fix, I know I ignored some things. Is this an oversimplification?
Let’s just cut right to the chase. Metal riffing is usually most successful when there is a large transfer of energy from one riff to another, as this is how the song communicates. Multiple riffs or layered riffs in the best metal often manage to achieve complex intertwining tension trade-offs, whether it be the battering complexity of tracks like “Fall From Grace” or poignant riffing of “My Journey to the Stars”.
Melody, rhythm, and just about everything play into this structuring of music.
Trophic levels seem to be a good metaphor for this:
-A-
---B---
-----C-----
-------D-------
(Losing energy as you travel up the food chain)
Something like that. Much like how trophic levels have certain amounts of energy being transferred from one member in the food change to the next, riffs have that power as well. The main difference is that riffs are not locked into certain energy transfers, but rather by manipulating this, we can see varied results.
For example:
If we take a band that has very high net energy transfer, we get something like this.
-------A-------
-------B-------
-------C-------
-------D-------
(energy is transferred totally from level to level; sturdy structure technique can fail if not enough energy spread throughout. Unlike later FAIL in that it has a large amount of energy that maintains interest.)
In this case, we have a song that transfers all energy from one riff to the next. This tradeoff creates an intense song, maintaining power throughout.
Now let’s take something more complex:
-------A-------
-----B-----
--C--
----A----
(repetition of A riff later on is given more poignancy by putting in two riffs which help magnify its later recurrence.)
Now, we begin with a riff, before cycling into a riff with a distinct lack of power in comparison to the first (C), but this riff paves the way for the more powerful riff following it, and to cap it off, the initial riff is repeated, creating a sense of importance.
This structure would be a “journey” as ANUS puts it, as the same riff is used at both the end and beginning, but the last one is more important due to interaction in between. (Mind you that there can definitely be more than 3 riffs, this is just an example.)
Now for ambient, it’s different:
-----
---- ----
------- --------
---------- A ----------
------- -------
---- ----
-----
(Different in that the idea is "framed" inside the music, as stated somewhere else on forum)
Now these are the ways you can FAIL.
-A-
-B-
-C-
-D-
-E-
-F-
(Loads of riffs, but there is no journey or real kinetic friction, so something like Necrophagist could be likened to this, “riff buffet”. NO difference in energy levels, and very little to start with)
--A (It's probably C in disguise actually)--
--B--
-C-
(metalcore, AKA caveman structure. Very little variance, and the small jump in energy from C to B is pretty pathetic anyway)
Metal is interesting in that it can use both the ambient and riff like structure to great effect.
Let me know what you think, what can I fix, I know I ignored some things. Is this an oversimplification?
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Metal / Morta Skuld - Dying Remains
« on: August 11, 2010, 12:32:16 PM »
I just listened to this yesterday, and yes it's been released a while ago, but I haven't heard much about it on this forum. I found the record to be a pretty interesting stab at riff structuring. Aesthetically, it seems to be derived from old Gorguts, Cannibal Corpse in some areas, and something else I can't put my finger on. From what I hear, the band uses heavy handed riffs, and then juxtaposes them with a moribund, but more atmospheric solo, before plunging back into the destruction once more. It's really satisfying death metal.
So, I ask the experienced members hear for opinions. I'm making some headway in metal listening, and feel that I am more qualified now to present my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meMZ-Smq95c&feature=related
So, I ask the experienced members hear for opinions. I'm making some headway in metal listening, and feel that I am more qualified now to present my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meMZ-Smq95c&feature=related
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Metal / Improving Metal
« on: January 17, 2010, 03:03:08 PM »
Look, I haven't listened to metal as long as many others here have, but I feel this is necessary.
I hear in certain threads "A synthesis of styles already established would be good". Let's really push in this direction. Let's combine styles, research into existing ones and pull out individual motions and generate something fresh.
Maybe even longer metal masterpieces, funtioning in the same way a classical piece does? Maybe a synthesis of metal and classical structures?
I may be totally unoriginal, but here is a thread dedicated to improving metal. (Maybe this thread has already been posted, but I couldn't find one like it after checking).
I hear in certain threads "A synthesis of styles already established would be good". Let's really push in this direction. Let's combine styles, research into existing ones and pull out individual motions and generate something fresh.
Maybe even longer metal masterpieces, funtioning in the same way a classical piece does? Maybe a synthesis of metal and classical structures?
I may be totally unoriginal, but here is a thread dedicated to improving metal. (Maybe this thread has already been posted, but I couldn't find one like it after checking).
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Metal / dISEMBOWELMENT
« on: December 27, 2009, 01:39:55 PM »
This band is old news and all, but "Transcendence into the Peripheral" is currently one of my favorite albums. I feel that it is on par with "The Rack" (then again, I only listened to The Rack about two times).
When speaking to other metalheads about this album, they tell me it is extremely boring and one-dimensional. I usually respond with something like: "Just listen to the first track, it is a landmark in ambient doom-death".
Maybe they think it is boring because they listen to about only 2 minutes of all the "heavy" songs. Anyway, opinions?
When speaking to other metalheads about this album, they tell me it is extremely boring and one-dimensional. I usually respond with something like: "Just listen to the first track, it is a landmark in ambient doom-death".
Maybe they think it is boring because they listen to about only 2 minutes of all the "heavy" songs. Anyway, opinions?
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