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Interzone / Hipsterism Defined in Under Three Minutes
« on: August 25, 2010, 07:32:51 AM »

Funny how this was done about twenty years ago. People never change, do they...?

Metal / Re: Ronnie James Dio Dead
« on: May 16, 2010, 11:44:45 PM »
to RJD's credit, everything he did after joining Sabbath eclipsed the entirety of Ozzy and his reality TV family
Dio shits over everything Ozzy EVER did.

Hail to the God!

Metal / Re: Bands worth hearing thread
« on: May 08, 2010, 12:45:29 PM »
Acrostichon - great old-school death from the Netherlands.

Interzone / Re: The ethical life
« on: May 05, 2010, 09:24:51 PM »
- Support that party that can tell selfish people NO -- the right-wing. Ignore the left. They're insane
Wait, what?

How did Stalin, Mao and Kim Il-sung care for the selfish people?! The whole idea of socialism is that the state is going to crush every individual aspiration in the name of something bigger than the self - no liberty, no human rights, no individuals - and it's off to Gulag with the hipsters, idiots and low-productive people. Not to mention that commies were the ones who did the biggest depopulation ever in human history - 100 million dead in the camps and another 30 million killed in the wars, revolutions, etc., which is why it's essential that murderous dictatorships established, especially in those overpopulated third world countries.

Vote totalitarian.

Metal / Re: Hessian Attire
« on: April 21, 2010, 11:13:36 PM »
I didn't "quote" him. Nor do I associate with his philosophy. I just posted the video, because it illustrates the contrast between dressing like a normal man and dressing "the way you feel" or according to whatever subculture.

Metal / Re: Hessian Attire
« on: April 21, 2010, 10:30:10 PM »
You either dress according to the dress code of the society you live in or you end up living in the van, telling people how, "Y'know, man, hessianism is, like, important and we should crush all infidels while listening to old Darkthrone... By the way, that new Garnier shampoo is soooo good, it makes wonders for my hair!"

I see you guys talk about social status. Well, dressing properly is part of rising in the hierarchy. How many long-haired lawyers do you know? How many presidents wear Slayer shirts? How many [real] scientists do you know doing the "warlike" thing?

Don't mind the talk, just notice the difference between the two:


Which one are you going to trust?

Remember: Individual is nothing, society is everything. Childish games like "being metal" should be crushed. "Dressing up the way you feel" should be crushed.

the worlds greatest pick-up artist has long hair, eyeliner, and combat boots (by the way, I didn't mention combat boots).
Fuck him, he's a moron! The simple fact he spends most of his time picking chicks up should tell you a lot about him.

Metal / Re: Bands worth hearing thread
« on: April 20, 2010, 01:33:51 PM »
Abhoth are, unlike Uncanny, a very generic Swedish death outfit.
It depends on what you've listened to. "Forever to be Vanished There In" is quite good.

Metal / Re: Bands worth hearing thread
« on: April 20, 2010, 11:57:17 AM »
House of Usher. Uncanny. Abhoth. Megaslaughter. Necrony.

Metal / Have Incantation sold out?
« on: April 18, 2010, 09:45:26 AM »
How have Incantation sold out?!

Metal / Contemporary classical: dead or just stinky?
« on: April 11, 2010, 04:30:11 AM »
are considered to be self-evident

All this rubbish about 'proof' needs to stop, this isn't an academic journal and the idea of this forum is to form a consensus.
No, it's a forum that at least claims to be nihilist. And part of the definition of nihilism is no blind faith and no belief in things which may sound very nice (e.g. humanism, Christianity) but their assertions are fallacious and aren't backed up by any real data (e.g. equality, love of thy neighbour).

If you're looking for consensus and arguments which need no proof, join a religious cult.

All semantic issues aside, the core of the argument here is that conservatories haven't produced any significant music over the last 100 years.
What are your criteria for significance? Popular? Innovative? Influential? Most complex? Reflecting the spirit of our time?

Metal / Contemporary classical: dead or just stinky?
« on: April 11, 2010, 02:37:57 AM »
And you would be equally hard-pressed to find anyone outside the academic music clubhouse who has been meaningfully influenced by John Cage.
Noise music, industrial, electronic, ambient - all taking very big influence from the likes of Cage and Stockhausen. Does Tangerine Dream ring a bell?

And since when is influence on the general public a criterion, by the way? Michael Jackson probably influenced modern culture more than Bach and Mozart - so what? You're failing to make a distinction between high and low culture.

Metal / Re: Appreciating Metal Vocals
« on: February 28, 2010, 09:34:41 AM »
Music is noise used a certain way.
No, music possesses certain qualities, such as melody and harmony. Noise does not.

Growling definitely can (and does) contribute. If  you think Beyond the Veil would sound better with any "normal" sort of singing, you are insane. If you think The Key of Throne's vocals are mere growling, you are insane.
So what are they? Does it take specialized training and natural talent to do it? Also, if singing has no place in the composition, why include it in the first place? If normal singing does not fit the music, you don't need to try and shove ANY kind of singing in it. Does "The Art of Fugue" need vocals?

If you think there has ever been any instrument made that can even come close to the level of harmonic complexity available in the human voice, you are insane.
...and by "harmonic complexity" you mean belching, imitating a frog or shouting?

I think the problem here is that you're failing to appreciate music for its objective qualities and instead focus on what sounds "cool", "otherworldly" or "interesting". It's the riffs that are important and how they work together, everything else is a distraction like how deep X's growls are or how Y runs over the toms into the blast beat.

Metal / Re: Appreciating Metal Vocals
« on: February 28, 2010, 05:33:24 AM »
I don't understand how someone can listen to albums like Arise!, Profanatitas De Domonatia, Nespithe, The Key of Throne, Farmakon, or Beyond the Veil and think metal would be better off as instrumental music.
Because growling is noise, not music. Sure, it contributes to the atmosphere in a way, but most of the bands could achieve that atmosphere without the screaming, by music solely. And the ones that couldn't, don't deserve to exist anyway. Vocals, just as drums (which, also non-musical, create the rhythmic core of the composition, instead of leaving that to the actual music), should be abandoned, if metal is to reach new heights. "Harsh music" should not imply "noise".

Metal / Re: Appreciating Metal Vocals
« on: February 26, 2010, 11:56:39 PM »
The sooner metal goes 100% instrumental, the better. Guttural/screaming vocals are mostly a distraction from the music, and distraction for the musicians too - since they think in terms of verse-chorus, and they have to fit the structure of the music to the structure of the lyrics, instead of completely freeing themselves from the bondage of the pop/rock song format.

Metal / Re: True origins of death metal
« on: September 29, 2009, 11:36:31 AM »
This would be the easiest way to explain it:

Motorhead invented dirty raw metalpunk.

Venom played Motorhead on speed ===> speed metal.

Slayer copied Venom and British Punk and Heavy Metal, but instead of rocking and rolling, they concentrated more on the evil atmosphere and building up better songs with more riffs ===> Show No Mercy ===> Satanic Speed Metal/Proto-Death.

This would influence Possessed and Sepultura, as evidenced in Bestial Devastation and the Death Metal demo - basically, an uglier, faster and more chaotic version of Show no Mercy.

Slayer's Hell Awaits was the first real death metal album. Possessed still had a lot of Speed metal going on in Seven Churches, while Hell Awaits has it all - long majestic narrative compositions, grotesque atonal riffs and a haunting atmosphere. Even lyrics about necrophilia and crypts and death and stuff...

Meanwhile, in Switzerland Hellhammer drew heavy influence from british punk and NWOBHM and crafted their own brand of primitve metal - heavy, monotonous riffs, resonating like in a church or a cathedral, leaving a feeling of horror and emptiness and, well... DEATH. This style fully developed on the first Celtic Frost EP and To Mega Therion. While not 100% death metal, Hellhammer/Celtic Frost were the second most important thing in the early underground, right after Slayer.

By the way, the Exploited are a poser band, no one ever took them seriously.

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