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Interzone / Re: Deathmetal.org?
« on: July 19, 2011, 04:30:04 AM »
By the way, I've always wondered, why in the world does DeathMetal.org link down on the right-hand sidebar to the websites Peacedogman, BNR metal pages and Metaleros?

Loyalty. They keep hoping the metaleros dude will post more stuff, BNR is a better resource than metal-archives, and Peacedogman is where one of the writers sometimes writes.

Actually it's even more simple: old school link exchange. You link us, we link you, within reasonable limits of relevance.

I admit the links to non-active sites are somewhat embarrassing, but I thought the old existing content might be interesting to people anyway.

I rarely surf around the net these days or read any new websites so good people are free to send in their recommendations for links to add/remove by the usual channel - the dm.org contact page (or Youtube page, Facebook page, what have you...).

Metal / Re: Bands worth hearing thread
« on: November 28, 2010, 03:45:02 AM »
One would think so since they half invented the style of generic norsecore black metal. The rest of these bands (except Dark Tranquility, and I've never heard of Sigrblot so I couldn't say for them) are all norsecore / orthodox black metal as well.

An interesting case in fact for exploring the importance of concept and idea versus technique in black metal: the same bunch of people rotate in these bands while "orthodoxically" utilizing the same technique, but miraculously Sigrblot's "Blodsband", an album similar on surface but opened to a wider strain of Faustian/European ideas than mere "satanism" (in other words, actually having something to say) is probably the most artistically successful Swedish black metal album of the decade.

As for the rest of the list, I can agree that Funeral Mist's debut isn't bad as such, but also not a whole lot better than "Secrets of the Black Arts" and other earlier Swedish albums with similar intent but more textural (less fragmented) production style. If you want consistency, check out early Marduk which is satanic death metal, or early Dark Tranquillity which is At the Gates lite.

Metal / Re: Bands worth hearing thread
« on: November 23, 2010, 12:14:29 AM »
I've heard much about Zemial (the Greek one), what's a good work of theirs to start out with?

Zemial is one of the very rare examples of bands which to my ears have simply kept getting better.

"For the Glory of Ur" and the rest of the cult classics had their primitive attraction, but it is the epic metal slab "In Monumentum" which continues to have my undivided, gasping attention still four years after the release. I'd nominate it the Greek album of the decade, yes, even above such pleasures as "Graves of the Archangels" and "The Horned Made Flesh". Envisioned as a tribute to the passing of Quorthon, the pounding sagas explore all the necessary "Under the Sign of the Black Mark" and "Twilight of the Gods" quotes with pride and grace but go even further back to Manowar and expressive FX drenched long guitar leads of 70's progressive hard rock. Try it!

Metal / Re: Mexican Metal
« on: October 18, 2010, 03:13:01 PM »
Deathmetal.Org has risen from its wrathful vigil to deliver a hammering blow of metallic devastation dedicated to those who arose from the decadent and torn lands of Mexico to perform a musical triumph of the will.

Noe of Guttural Records put us in touch with some of the bravest music-magicians of the Mexican heritage, namely Death Metal pioneer Joel Alanis of Mortuary, Unique Mayan Black Metal priest Marco Ek Balaam of Xibalba, Satan’s servitor Demogorgon of Avzhia and necromantic maniac Eduardo, formerly of Shub Niggurath and Tormentor, now of Necroccultus. What our discussions and severe mental indulgement in cryptic Mexican materials yielded is now for all to see, in blasphemous contempt for the weak sanity of human minds faced with this mystery: evilness and darkness prevails.

Under a Toltec Moon – Memories on Mexican Metal by Devamitra, ObscuraHessian, Pearson and Xavier (incl. introduction by Vijay Prozak)

Spread like a virus, in order for all the posers to be crushed by the irrelevance of their own existence!

Metal / Re: DMDS- good, important or both?
« on: August 15, 2010, 10:15:51 AM »
From the funereal-exegetical aesthetics to the dissonant riffs and ambient drumming it's easy to be convinced that it's important for the sound, style and composition of practically all Nordic black metal since. Even though "A Blaze in the Northern Sky" and others beat it by release date, much of the raw song material had been heard, as showcased in the more chaotic "Live in Leipzig" and the general terror campaign that was Mayhem's live performance in the Dead era. But looking at those recordings and "Deathcrush" likewise, "De Mysteriis..." wouldn't have needed to be good. Oystein wouldn't have needed to have performed tighter than ever, nor would Hellhammer have needed to record that blasting to symphonic proportions in the Grieg concert hall, nor would have Varg needed to recompose the sublime bass parts nor would Snorre's input in recycled weird-as-fuck Thorns riffs or lyrical art have been obligatory. Yet, there were all these touches, last but not least Attila's ridiculously malignant voices which have nothing to do with the fact that Mayhem was already important and wouldn't have needed to outdo themselves on this album.

So, I'd say both good and important, with no necessary causal relationship one way or the other.

Interzone / Re: Facebook for metal?
« on: August 15, 2010, 09:58:35 AM »
For all who have been waiting for this to happen - click away!

DeathMetal.Org Fan Page
DeathMetal.Org Group

Metal / Re: Pure Metal and ANUS
« on: August 13, 2010, 03:23:37 AM »
This discussion is a bit of a microcosm of what caused the death of metal.

We have lots of "knowledge" but there's very little excitement of discovery about anything. It's like that Lustmord song "it is the night of the demon... it is the night of the demon... it is the night of the demon..." ad infinitum. Why everything happened, from Judas Priest to thrash to black metal, was the same fucking maniacs wanting to explore the horizons and to see a new take on this barbaric-romantic spirit, which hails lawlessness and natural order, as the Romantics did, as Nietzsche did, as most of us (I hope) do. I bet there hasn't been any inclination on anyone's part here to actually go to listen to the Manowar record, or the Darkthrone record, or the punks, and to see for himself whether the other debater had a point or not. That is when metal culture, metal underground and metal forums historically speaking failed. When there was no slightest interest any longer to listen what the other person liked and recommended. There was only "power metallers" with the a priori decision to hate anything with non-melodic vocals, the black metal fans in reverse, etc. And you can trust no-one, or anybody's taste.

Most people don't like metal anymore (not sure if I can blame them!) but they like the thought of liking metal. But that thought needs to be encased into ever more stale and artificial margins, creating revisionist metal definitions and subgenres where they used to not exist. It gets apocalyptic at times.

Metal / Re: Darkthrone's Death Metal
« on: August 12, 2010, 11:07:54 PM »
Starting with the last two demos before the full length ("Cromlech" and "Thulcandra"), moving foward with "Soulside Journey" and ending with a later release of "Goatlord," methinks that these efforts are aborted gems that aren't revisited (probably by the band too...) frequently.

Influenced by later reputation, many reviews are subject to revisionism. Back in the day, "Soulside Journey" was massively popular / note also the very favorable review on ANUS. See also the comments by contemporaries here.

Their sophomore, "A Blaze in the Northern Sky", was by many considered a mishap and took time to sink in. Still, from our distance it's probably easy to spot the musical similarities as well. One could even say that the "retro-action" which culminates in their latest albums, was started then, by emphasizing Celtic Frost '85 and Bathory '85 riffs over psychedelic horror.

Metal / Re: Ethnic metal
« on: August 11, 2010, 02:03:04 PM »
Zpoan Vtenz was interesting for sure and like side band Poccolus got lots of praise from generally trustworthy reviewers, but there was something in there that left me hanging, like the album had been patchworked from separate pieces of Burzum-esque black metal, folk and progressive keyboard music. And yes, I know it's the same weirdness I tend to argue FOR in regards to Isengard's "Vinterskugge". Personal preference favors Skyforger ("Kauja Pie Saules"), Nokturnal Mortum ("Nechrist"), Temnozor ("Folkstorm of the Azure Nights") and Metsatöll ("Hiiekoda"), admittedly more blatant takes on the concept in every way. How come the Celts (Cruachan's "Tuatha Na Gael", Skyclad's "Prince of the Poverty Line", Ragnarok's "Domgeorn"...) weren't mentioned yet?

Metal / Re: Ethnic metal
« on: August 10, 2010, 12:41:50 AM »
Nay, scourge. It was Nesecreta, referenced here. Funny now to see a Heidenlarm review speak favorably of flutes in metal...

I don't know if I'm the troll or the trolled, but my impression was that Heidenlarm's "feature reviews" ("Originally from "Goreganic Vegetable" zine"???) concern imagined and invented releases.

Metal / Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
« on: August 08, 2010, 11:26:06 PM »
I definitely did enjoy "Forest Poetry" right away, having purchased it in the 90's on a Summoning member's recommendation.
Further evidence of metal's substance having a common thread even among styles that appear different on the surface, perhaps?

True. Yet, it's not such a stretch if you remember Summoning's demos and the debut, which leads us to another interesting point - the progression from "Beheritian" sounds to a more gothic (in the proper sense) one was very elegant and natural, incorporating elements from previous work but shifting the emphasis. One can say this about Graveland as well. So either (a) a good musician can recognize and use the strengths of each substyle alike, or (b) the discipline, subtlety and raw power utilized in creating effective primal/barbaric black metal is invaluable also for the later epic/symphonic grandeur, which gets botched by musicians such as Therion who think more heavy metal.

Metal / Re: Bands that you've changed your mind about.
« on: August 08, 2010, 02:32:08 PM »
Ildjarn too, should be an obvious one... did anyone like his music instantly(referring to the metal stuff of course)?

I definitely did enjoy "Forest Poetry" right away, having purchased it in the 90's on a Summoning member's recommendation.

I've hardly experienced any radical mind shifts, but I used to be somewhat frigid (despite liking a song here and there) towards Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Manilla Road and Fates Warning whereas now they make my top lists.

In '96-'98 bands such as Dissection, Tiamat, Therion, Cradle of Filth and Satyricon got heavy rotation and I wouldn't say I have turned against those best albums by them, but they certainly don't ignite excitement or passion anymore.

I used to like Nargaroth and Velvet Cacoon before I learnt about the scenester bullshit these people are involved in. I still can see what I liked in their music, but they're not good enough to warrant any interest in such cheap, commercial scams.

Metal / Re: Post-INRI Sarcofago
« on: August 04, 2010, 04:17:46 AM »
"The Laws of Scourge" is their best post-"INRI" effort. I like "Rotting" but it's obviously stumbling, an attempt towards a more dramatic black metal take for which they do not have the necessary subtlety. For the next album they went into a technical, drier, rhythmic Kreator-ian speed/death metal with themes of paranoia and disease, essentially a bit dated for its time which is the only reason I can see for this aggressive and sharp work being ignored. Say it had been released around the time of "Schizophrenia" or "Beneath the Remains"... it might have been another thing altogether.

Metal / Re: Bands worth hearing thread
« on: August 03, 2010, 11:13:50 PM »
I'm wondering what the general consensus on some bands are since I've had them in my digital collection for a while now and used to be into them to a lesser/greater degree, but after throwing a lot of rubbish out and rediscovering the classic/death black, I'd love to know what is worth checking out again.

If I were you, I'd delete them all, simply to be free of the baggage. Go for something totally different, study a bit of music theory, play some instrument... none of us have a long enough lifetime to systematically go through all metal there is, classic or not. What you need to discover is the few important ideas that tie the music to the philosophy, and your personal decisions in life, whether or not they serve a consensus. The only real consensus is Will, the continual one.

Interzone / Re: The supernatural: real or crap
« on: July 20, 2010, 04:33:06 AM »
Devamitra, you seem to have researched those subjects, to what conclusion did you come: Can magic or other supernatural things alter the physical world?

By the very definition, these words refer to "unexplainable" phenomena men believe to have personally experienced or happened elsewhere; philosophically it hardly alters the subject if we accept the postulate that a rational explanation could be deducted for these deeds or events; it suffices that currently they are "unexplainable".

Consider for a moment finding yourself in possession of real power, not a conjurer's trick. The capacity to harm enemies, to heal the sick, to control the climate (hello mr. Browning) would instantly, irrevocably, place you apart from mankind. Only by seclusion, even hiding, would you have a moment of peace. Could you ever be free from the notion that even your closest friends are merely trying to use you? Could you repel the doctors and the scientists and the businessmen, for whom you would be a rare prize object? And most importantly of all, how would you cope with events such as death, sickness, accidents and decay near or far, knowing that you could have reversed the process at any point?

Everything can be altered, and we are surrounded by a strange, cold, uncharted cosmos. But people looking for shortcuts, or answers to their problems, or a more meaningful life, hardly find them in the mazes of esoteric mind-science.

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