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Metal / Interesting interviews
« on: December 19, 2010, 12:06:01 AM »

Interzone / Re: How to kill your soul
« on: November 27, 2010, 05:55:19 PM »
What is the bad in doing any of these? I can't imagine any benefit in rejecting joy and awe from one's life. If you want to fix problems you can't be bitter about them. Bitterness is what kills the soul, not hope.

I'm inclined to agree. I just think the implication that we should find joy in everything including gridlock traffic isn't quite right, even though we can do nothing to change that.

He who binds to himself to joy
Does the winged life destroy;
But he who kisses the joy as it flies
Lives in Eternity's sunrise.
-William Blake.

Interzone / Re: Agorá
« on: November 27, 2010, 05:42:37 AM »
I am more from the "everything that happens, happens for a reason" camp on this issue. In order for christianity to spread, the seeds of decadance had to have already existed in Rome, in other words, they were corrupted with pity, and so they became Christian, not the other way around. That's why I wouldn't feel much sympathy for Europe today if they fall under the influence of Islam. Either they will learn to preserve their tradition, strength and culture or they will be taken over by more virile tradtions. Either way nature will have taken its course.

Also that heathens were tolerant of other religions, while Christianity was not - you could only worship one particular God and anyone who didn't was wrong. Now in Europe it's much the same - secular societies are meant to be tolerant of Islam while it is not tolerant in return.

Interzone / Re: Good popular music
« on: November 27, 2010, 03:36:02 AM »
I would expect the incredibly lucid and intellectually active members of this forum to withhold judgment until they had experience of the object to be judged!  We all agree that anything abhorrently mainstream is bad (most "pop" falls into this category).  The question here is what "mainstream" is good.  Also, DragonForce is the best Metal band ever, don't diss them.

If it's true what you said earlier - that pop is music for entertainment and not art, then I'm not sure anyone one can say what is good or bad. I like Bob Dylan's music more than any other pop songwriter, but that's all I can say - it might be bad for all I know! If I'm seeking entertainment, then what's good is what entertains me. That's very different from metal.

Metal / Re: The spirit of black metal
« on: November 27, 2010, 01:40:51 AM »
Sure, but this is the same story as to why Satanism is a favoured topic, even though many do not actually believe in a personified devil: it clearly positions them as anti-christian. Similarly, declaring yourself evil is setting yourself in direct opposition to those who adhere to the good / evil duality (and believe one should be on the 'good' side of the fence), in a manner that leaves no room for any other interpretation.

I don't think Christians are much concerned with the act and whether it is good or evil, it's the acceptance of Christ and his forgiveness. If you do things because they are evil you're thinking like a Christian.

Interzone / Re: Enthusiasm for sports
« on: November 27, 2010, 01:24:49 AM »
Except deer-killing once had a purpose outside of competition, and in history the spectators of all these events have always been the lowest of the plebians. Since when is something a good activity because "The Romans did it"? There's a reason you always see masses of working-class and not senior judges or heart surgeons at spectator sports.

Interzone / Re: Good popular music
« on: November 27, 2010, 01:21:02 AM »
Hail Cargest! I'm starting to worry with your latest string of posts praising Dragonforce and now house music...

The floodgates are wide open with this thread. I'm expecting to see Take That mentioned at some stage.

Interzone / Re: Collapse News Desk
« on: November 25, 2010, 04:33:34 AM »
Gene test criticized for discriminating against young athletes:


What's next, worries that school tests will discriminate against university applicants?

Interzone / Re: Enthusiasm for sports
« on: November 23, 2010, 08:58:10 PM »
One thing that pisses me off: people who refer to their favorite sports team as "we".

One thing that should be a standard in all sports - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFcMtIHD-Gw

Hockey is practically the only large scale professional sport I can watch, and that's because as of yet it has not been pussified or too commercialized.

Rugby.  Still, there are a lot of moronic wankers.  Rugby nowadays isn't anything like Rugby back in the '90s.

What the hell happened to discipline? Oh yeah that's right - it's more masculine to lose all self control and throw punches getting your team penalized, instead of controlling your anger and ego which is for wimps.

This is the reason I don't watch sport. Absolutely no respect for the players.    

Metal / Re: Metal in thirty years time
« on: November 19, 2010, 09:50:28 AM »
Yes that's true. What I was trying to say is that metal has diversified in style but it remains about the same thing, thematically and musically (downbeat riffs). It has a central doctrine which has held since Black Sabbath. You could possibly say the same for punk, but I don't think rock.

Metal / Re: Metal in thirty years time
« on: November 18, 2010, 11:55:22 PM »
Has any popular music genre since the 60s had greater longevity than metal? I'm not sure. I can't think of any other type of popular music that has remained the same in sound, while metal has remained relatively the same in sound and spirit since 1970. It seems that rock music (as in rock 'n roll) changed dramatically with each decade. Dylan -> Rush -> The Cure -> Nirvana

Interzone / Re: Modern Man: Fucking Weak
« on: November 18, 2010, 04:30:16 AM »
People are missing the point of this.  Technology has progressed to a point where it thinks for us.  The brain, though not a muscle, will wither without appropriate use, and will grow stronger with use.

Which is great news for those <120 IQs formerly headed for the ovens in that other genocide thread.

Interzone / Re: Modern Man: Fucking Weak
« on: November 18, 2010, 12:41:57 AM »
That's a good thing, isn't it? There's a limit to what we can know. Would you suggest that a scientist has brain atrophy because he doesn't understand the plumbing in his lab, or how to craft one of his glass test-tubes?

Interzone / Re: Hipsters as affirmation of social Darwinism
« on: November 15, 2010, 09:17:41 PM »
What good comes of criticizing the ontological nature of hipsters, or anyone else? When's the last time someone changed upon hearing such an argument? It certainly hasn't decreased the incidence of tattooed, streched ear, indie shirt-wearers around my area.

Interzone / Re: Modern Man: Fucking Weak
« on: November 15, 2010, 04:31:50 AM »

MOTORHEAD's Lemmy: "I couldn't possibly do my job if I didn't smoke and drink."

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