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Metal / Re: Improvised versus planned music
« on: November 09, 2006, 01:21:09 AM »
improvisation does not work for much of metal, because the genre relies so heavily on precise arrangements and a general feeling of constricting "tightness."  that said, there have been many guitar solos in metal over the years which are both improvised and worthy of camparison to the jazz tradition.

to say that improv "sucks" or that it automatically leads to jam-band bullshit like dave matthews is to paint with way too broad a brush.  what the hippie jam-bands do is to solo over repetitive riffs in the middle of a structured song for ridiculously extended periods of time.   when masterful jazz musicians improvise, they can either alter the parameters of a given piece to create interesting juxtapositions or interplay, or they can just weave the piece from whole cloth.  either way, they're composing on the fly, and that's something.

not that i'm expecting anybody on this board to just start listening to improvised music...

Metal / Re: Towards Hessian Culture
« on: August 11, 2006, 08:50:32 PM »
good points lupus.  in this way, i think the guy who runs this thing might be on the right track by looking for a broader name and meaning for this particular subculture, maybe without most of the current negative implications.  still, you're talking about a small group which isn't going to have much of an effect on the mainstream metal machine (ozzfest, dimmu borgir, etc).  the most you can hope for is a popular underground front, like crust punks or something.  still, it would be interesting to see what we can think of once we get out of this material trap.

Metal / Re: Towards Hessian Culture
« on: August 10, 2006, 10:18:19 PM »
self-alienation doesn't just mean that you don't have a copy of michael jackson's "thriller."  it also means seperation from mainstream media, people who subscribe to mainstream ideologies, and divergence from mainstream attitudes towards decency, drug use, economics, etc.  

some would argue that people who follow underground music are just searching for a culture that resonates with their personal values.  it may be a chicken-or-the-egg argument, but i would counter that underground music is simply a microcosm of the larger music world, utilizes a very similar promotional machine, and many of the same methods of merketing coercion, and is only custom-tailored to suit the aesthetic leanings of it's designated audience/demographic.  

the methods are simple: take a handfull of marginally related bands, lump them together in a magazine article which paints it out to be the crest of some new musical zeitgeist, promote and advertise, exploit, repeat.  black metal is a good, sort-of recent example.  

for me, the point is simple.  most followers of obscure music are still consumed by a very mainstream activity: living vicariously through products.

Metal / Re: Towards Hessian Culture
« on: August 10, 2006, 12:39:15 AM »
there's some quite contradictory forces going on here.  metal culture, as i've seen it, is based on two divergent drives:

1.  self-alienation, by distancing one's self aesthetically and ideologically from "mainstream" culture, eventually spiralling into a bizarro world where proponents of similar musics will isolate themselves from one another in debate over largely superficial and manufactured ideals.

2.  desire for community, where the metal people congregate to celebrate their chosen music forms.  but this drive, mixed with the first principle of self-alienation, causes those present to fracture into tiny, comfortable cells where communication only occurs with those who are intimately known, and actual interaction between the artist & audience or even amongst the audience itself is minimized.

this dichotomy has created some worthwhile music, since the artists often do not percieve any intended audience for their work, so they take a "fuck it, i'll do whatever i want" attitude.  but most artists and fans succumb to the desire for friends and end up copying one of the hundreds of bands regarded as ideals of whatever the chosen offshoot sub-subgenre is on display this week.

with the added taint of hardcore in metal (all social context; no aesthetic value), most individuals have found the fool's gold of unearned popularity and disciplined uniformity (they call it "unity") to be irresistable.  at this point, i still believe in the value of the established metal classics, and i still hold out hope that good metal is still being made somewhere out there, but the culture of metal itself in relation to the outside world is corrupt; just another lifestyle marketing niche to be exploited.  even the most willfully obscure metal snob is part of a demographic thousands strong, and as such is equally faceless.

Metal / Re: Celtic Frost tour
« on: July 15, 2006, 03:43:19 AM »
cryptopsy is kind of...cheap?  a circus act?

Metal / Re: Celtic Frost tour
« on: July 11, 2006, 10:42:12 PM »
at first i was not so interested in the new one, but after a few listens (and checking out that CRUSHING live shit you somehow don't like), i can see where they're going, and i really like it.  yeah, so doom isn't the trendy new shit right now, so what?  they're kings, they can do what they want, and they do it damn well.

Interzone / Re: Poor poetry in metal
« on: June 18, 2006, 02:48:40 PM »
there's no way metal bands are going to sing in iambic pentameter and shit like that.  it just won't happen, because it's a) gay and b) not cool to write riffs that follow that rhythm.

Metal / Re: Technical Black Metal?
« on: May 25, 2006, 09:55:10 PM »
yeah, averse sefira and absu are the ones that come to mind with the technicality.  i think to say that primitive BM is "technical" simply because it uses a technique is too broad a use of the term.  by extension, all music would be "technical" under that definition.  

the meaning i would give to that term is a situation where the assorted techniques (trem picking, sweep picking, arpeggios, hammer-ons) carry the body of the song, as opposed to the melody or underlying harmony.  it really is a more perjorative term, and one that doesn't really jive with black metal.

Metal / Re: Decentralizing Metal
« on: May 21, 2006, 03:42:41 PM »
the internet is going to do several things.  here's a few:

1.  No more "stars."  in a fractured genre like metal, which lends itself so easily to overspecialization, the chances of any one band being plucked out of the fray and made into household names will be greatly decreased.  sure, some of them may do things like gather 50k friends on myspace, but that doesn't make you a star.

2.  No more Big Money.  this may not be a big deal since even veteran underground bands make little or no money already, but for the select few who love to tour it might spell trouble.  from what i've gathered, folks will still buy a CD from a band they like at their show, but ordering from a label or distro is going the way of the dodo.  to keep things going, most bands and labels will have to move from an album-based model to a general merchandise sort of program.  i've already seen people making an active effort to focus more on t-shirts and other merch.

3.  More prolific artists.  Using the internet as the main platform for your music will allow musicians to "release" music at a much faster rate than labels would ever allow, since there will be little investment of dollars required.  For some this may mean that certain bedroom artists will "release" every crap note they've ever played, but for genuine artists it could mean a faster period of gestation and development.  in the 70's it was not uncommon for a band to release two full-lengths in a year.  it might be interesting if the pendulum swings back in that direction.

Metal / Re: Rammstein´s mexican web page with radio
« on: May 20, 2006, 08:48:28 PM »
fuck you.

Metal / Re: Lost aspects of Hessian culture?
« on: May 20, 2006, 03:13:21 PM »
yeah, shows can be fun, but they can also be intolerably lame.   and you never know until you're there, so you can't ask for your $8 back.

here's a thought: why is it that whenever somebody says that their life consists mainly of loafing about in solitude (my dream in life), or sitting in front of a computer (we're all guilty of this), somebody has to interject that it's unhealthy or imbalanced?  

what's up with this notion that human interaction has inherent value?  my belief is that certain people and relationships have value, which brings substance and weight to your interactions with them.  but as for the rest of the world, i could care less.  why would i want to interact with people whom i share no interests, who might as well be from different worlds than me?

we all spend a lot of time in front of computers these days.  they're like the new TV, but arguably better.  that said, this guy is hardly living in Walden-type isolation.  so what gives?

not trying to attack or anything, just interested in what people would have to say about this matter.

Metal / Re: Learning to make music and play the guitar
« on: May 01, 2006, 06:39:52 PM »
i'm surprised nobody has mentioned the "guitar grimoire" to you.  it has comprehensive diagrams of EVERY known scale and chord, which is great even though BM only uses a few of them.  and it looks cool!

you should be able to get it at any big bookstore (borders, barnes and noble, etc).

Metal / Re: Metalheads as multiculture
« on: April 26, 2006, 01:02:49 PM »
point taken, i just listed those things because dude was wondering what the hell metalheads could do, as if we're invalids or something.

Metal / Re: Darkthrone already recording...
« on: April 25, 2006, 11:56:34 PM »
wow.  i'm glad roadrunner hasn't done anything worth a damn since the late 90's.

Metal / Re: Metalheads as multiculture
« on: April 25, 2006, 11:41:22 PM »
some things that metalheads could do if they could get off their asses:

1.  fight censorship

2.  fight media monopolies

3.  fight environmental devestation

4.  fight homogenization of youth culture

just to name a few.  i realize that this would politicize metal in ways that some folks wouldn't want, but maybe the time has come.

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