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Metal / Re: Best METAL releases of 2016
« on: November 30, 2016, 11:56:50 AM »
TARNKAPPE - Winterwaker !

That's a good way of putting it, voddy. Summing is on a whole other level than most bands in more than one respect.
(Hi aquarius, nice to see you here again!)  :)

Metal / Re: Folk Metal
« on: March 05, 2016, 12:40:02 AM »
Thanks for the exposition voddy. I haven't heard any of those bands - except for one or two songs by Finntroll played to me by a friend some 10-15 years ago - so I'm not in a position to criticize or salute them really. What I can say is that I stay firm to my thesis that most folk metal is not very good metal or folk music! This convinction stems from earlier hearings of bands like Storm, Moonsorrow, etc. The genres just doesn't mix well when all you do is bring folkish melodies into a (often heavy) metal context. When you take - whether they are authentical recorded melodies or pastiches of folk material - to spice up your average metal it just sounds... too jolly and faux maybee? Many older folk musics often feature a vast emotional span encoded in melodies that on the surface sounds simple, but works tremendously well in their original context thanks to other factors like song structure, performances, timbre and whatnot. Almost all of this tends to get lost in folk metal. Or it's just that I haven't discovered the better groups  :)

I could go on about the so-called viking metal, but I guess noone's reading this anyway...

Metal / Re: Folk Metal
« on: February 12, 2016, 12:28:09 AM »
On topic... I can't really think of any good folk metal at this moment. The term leaves a somewhat sugary, but bad taste in my mouth. What kind of bands did you have in mind, voddy?

Metal / Re: Folk Metal
« on: February 12, 2016, 12:25:30 AM »
While I'm not that well versed in folk music, my impression is that some similarities between black metal and folkish music can be observed. For example in some folk music - I'm mostly at home with swedish folk music since, well I'm swedish - there is a lot of repetition on certain melodies or chunks of musical information that gradually metamorphose, in some cases without the listener being aware of it, depending on his/hers attentiveness and sensibility. The changes could be in the melodies themselves or their context, or both. The same could be said about some better black metal, could it not?

Metal / Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
« on: January 04, 2016, 04:53:50 AM »
Now, I have only listened to it once, so it's a bit too early to give a fair grounded opinion. I can also hear the ATG inspiration and I'm quite sure some bits and pieces of the demo songs pop up on later releases. I read somewhere that Brolycke thought the demo was altogether bad and immature, etc. - I don't think it's that bad for a demo! Either the drummer has some serious trouble keeping the pace, or else he's into some sort of loose-playing style. It's kind of cool really. Must be the same drummer they had on Finis Malorum.

Metal / Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
« on: January 01, 2016, 03:32:26 AM »
Then I'll better check it out. Thanks!

Metal / ASGARD To A Golden Age
« on: December 24, 2015, 12:54:00 AM »
This hard to find album has recently been reissued, so I picked it up and found it to be a fine take on old scanddeath (or something in that direction). Any thoughts on this? And how about the rest of their output?

Metal / Re: Pestilence - spheres
« on: December 24, 2015, 12:46:49 AM »
Good points, I always felt there was something less "brave" about this album compared to their earlier stuff even if Spheres is supposed to be more experimental/progressive. And the new age lyrics...

Metal / Re: Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
« on: December 24, 2015, 12:42:23 AM »
Anyone familiar with their 1993 demo Sedes Imporium? I never hear any talk about this release.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: May 06, 2015, 04:15:02 AM »

An 'orange cover' sounds as though you might be thinking of that Tangram album, which was basically just a big cheese fest for moog enthusiasts after the band almost entirely lost every shred of creative potential; plus momentum flounders that ever there was.

Needless to say, do give them another chance. I would say the starting point for newcomers from a metal background would undoubtedly be their earlier material, mid 70s and earlier but most definitely starting with Phaedra.


Hey aquarius, did you ever hear the Logos 1982 live album? It's kind of orange... I found it cheap at a record store some time ago, and it's actually not totally worthless (for being 80s TD)! It's drips of cheese at the end but side one plus beginning of side two has some nice moments. The beginning of side two is even a bit sinister.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: March 09, 2015, 09:16:16 AM »
Oh, I forgot one point in my latest rant. I guess one thing that would separate music from noise is not just timbre and melody, etc. but structure. It might sound ridicolous, but this came like a revelation for me when exploring ambient music. The same could of course be said of death metal or whatever kind of mudical genre.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: March 09, 2015, 09:07:32 AM »
Also, I've gone through some Maeror Tri material, and while I probably haven't absorbed that much of it, I understand what you (aquarius) mentioned about the loss of the causual appeal of musical experiance in the case of ambient and drone music. It might be of benefit to question what can be classified as music and - the counterpart -noise. I'm sure this has already been done be theorists and/or critics, but I don't have a clue where to start, really.

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: March 06, 2015, 01:10:49 AM »
I saw that the Coil-album is now up in the audiofile section, thanks. I'm familiar with BEHERIT, especially Drawing Down The Moon and Electric Doom Synthesis, but not with the Shamaani stuff. I'll try to squeeze that one into my weekly playlist as well.

Regarding the accidental discovery of droning techniques, it seems like the pioneers of electronic ambient music had a high degree of inventivness when it came to trying out new techniques and ways of composition. Judging from the liner notes to TD's Virgin records they used a LOT of equipment, but when they couldn't get what they wanted out of existing musical tools, they created them themselves (atleast that's what I've gathered from the album sleeves) to suit their needs and visions.

Getting back to the original post (I wonder if the topic creator is still around, guess not). Listening to Phaedra in the last couple of weeks has just strenghtened my opinion that it isn't at all whimsical or easy listening. Like other ambient stuff from Brian Eno to this day, this kind of music fits the needs of different listeners (well, I couldn't think of another way to express this stance). If you are receptive to Phaedra, it WILL bring out all kinds of reactions/visions. It is absolutely obscure at some moments, but it is also evocative and majestic.
Arguments pro or against this stance are welcome!

Metal / Re: Tangerine Dream
« on: March 02, 2015, 06:11:50 AM »
I've been trying to find the Coil album. Is it the one where they call themselves TIME MACHINES as well? It's from 1998.

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