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Metal / Re: Hessian.org revived!
« on: February 02, 2011, 11:58:23 PM »
We've got some new contributors on board, and a site template overhaul undergoing presently to update the graphics and layout.  I would recommend as TheWaters did, patience.  The 4th issue is going to be rather extensive.

Metal / Re: Into Oblivion
« on: December 19, 2010, 01:56:08 AM »
Anyone interested in getting a physical copy of the album can contact either X, Kaveh, or myself.

Interzone / Re: Are we freaks? Are they freaks?
« on: November 29, 2010, 04:34:18 AM »
The general populace of any era has never been a reasoning bunch. I don't think either side of the coin are necessarily "freaks"; there have been and always will be people like you, Conservationist, who see straight through the facade of whatever social memes are present while most of the general population is hobbling around accomplishing not much of anything, being pushed around (or, in our case, inundated) by their superiors in one way or another.

Thinking that modern society is so much different than any other time in human history as far as what's happening socially goes is a farce. The biggest difference is that we're much more destructive now than ever, but that won't go unpunished.

There's truth to that, but that's perhaps as well an oversimplification.  The intensity and omnipresence of stimuli that exist in this day and age to reduce everything to abstraction is unparalleled for one.  I don't think you can argue the sense of unreality present in life today has ever been mirrored in history so far.  What other age could have birth post-modernism and absurdism?  And while the general populace has been to varying degrees always where it is, in other ages they were less in number, and were given a particular place within a hierarchy that made sure their strengths were used, and their weaknesses minimized.  This is not the case in this day and age.  Our civilization, unlike others before it, has no direction save gratification of short term pleasure and desires (a consequence of being ruled by the stomach of society, so to speak).  Purely materialistic, in all senses of the word.

Metal / Re: Hessian.org revived!
« on: November 29, 2010, 04:24:20 AM »
4th issue impending, this week.

Interzone / Re: ANUS projects
« on: November 29, 2010, 04:18:30 AM »
I have to second on haethen's post.  I've also met some of my closest friends networking on the ANUS forums, or through a common found interest in related ideas outside the context of the site.  Surprisingly, I've been recently meeting quite a few people in Toronto and southern Ontario who read the site.  I think that the propagating of ideas that ANUS has done till this point is more valuable than any restructuring of the site to still happen, because it has so far manifested itself in real world connections.

Interzone / Re: [META] Activities of our users
« on: October 22, 2010, 12:25:03 AM »
Helmholtz, do you have a link to any recordings of yours?

That riff with the second solo is, on reflection, Black Metal "technique" within a Death Metal progression (which can be heard as "pure Death Metal" in the following riff).  I can't seem to shake the Black Metal from my music - everything I write seems to be subtly tainted by it.  Still, I'm generally pleased with this piece of work, and on where I've brought it to now, since that second version.  It's shaping up to be pretty epic.

Yep, you commented on them once: http://www.myspace.com/IntoOblivionTO


I guess we both seem to have a combination in approaches between death metal and black metal.  I just sensed that Morbid Angel and At the Gates were huge influences here, likewise in my own work.  Also, ignore the first album, haha.  It's alot more hit and miss than the present material.

Interzone / Re: [META] Activities of our users
« on: October 22, 2010, 12:13:28 AM »
I usually use a TASCAM 4-track (much warmer sound when recording, which suits my usual "Sun Metal" quite well), but, here at University, I have to use my laptop, for the time being, which explains the tinny sound of the guitars - I'm doing what I can to balance it using the EQs on my recording software, but it's still not ideal.

Just about to upload a new version of Breaching the Walls of Sylph to EweTube.  Expect multiple time signature changes for dramatic effect and inter-riff-referencing.  Solos are the same, rhythm section has been rerecorded and elongated (twofold, if not more).

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wArqqeYwUrY

Hahah, either we have exactly the same bloody influences, or you`ve been plagiarizing me!

Seriously though, that`s actually quite impressive.  Plenty of potential, and certainly with some more work this could be something mighty indeed.  The second solo sounds the more relevant of the two, and I couldn`t help thinking ``CALL OF THE WINTERMOOOOONNN!!!!`` during it, haha.

Interzone / Re: Social Order Without Unnecessary Restraint
« on: October 08, 2010, 01:14:19 AM »
And why is this person allowed to spam all the time?

Either the mods find him amusing, or he is one of the mods.

Interzone / Re: Against Traditionalism
« on: October 07, 2010, 10:06:27 AM »
Traditionalism, in the sense of which we are speaking here, is in direct conflict with conservatism. Some call it Perennialism, so there can be no need to preserve anything, since the source of ancient teachings is supra-human and not subject to corruption. The original Buddhism did not, for instance, seek to preserve the Vedic teachings (even though it considered them true), but to achieve the unconditioned state through adequate and effective means.

I've just been reading hessian.org and found that one of the authors opposed the ways of jazz and metal performance, based on Evola's judgement that jazz performance is telluric. While it's true that Evola passed that judgement, many modern readers find it hard to accept Evola enjoying jazz. The author (Helmholtz) also compared metal performance (especially headbanging) to the practices of Sufi Dervishes. This is completely false. Sufi techniques are complex, detailed and effective, while headbanging can be effective only in a shamanic (degenerated) sense. Evola enjoyed jazz, which is also degenerated and shamanic, but from a distance. It's just about how you handle what's available to you. I guess somebody could be enlightened enough to develop a headbanging technique that would be as effective and ascetic as Buddhism or Sufism, but I have yet to see that.

Well, I noted a resemblance between the two practices, mainly aesthetic.  Specifically, there is an element present in metal that is definitely far removed from any humanity in jazz, which was the essence of the wider point I was attempting to catch.  Bear in mind as well, what I'm attempting more to do here is pick up on subconscious or unconscious elements of more elevated forms present in metal, which can perhaps over time evolve into still more rigorous reflections of a higher wisdom.

Interzone / Re: Against Traditionalism
« on: October 02, 2010, 05:39:06 PM »
Wait, when did we start talking about Schopenhauer?  Unless you are positing him as representing the main themes of traditionalism.

Absolutely YES to the second. I'm not going to pre-judge you or your ideas: I simply don't know them. Yet. But I will pre-judge every single person currently living on this planet who is NOT a member of this forum and "their" ideas (if they can be called "ideas"...)

An affirmation like "Schopenhauer, to me, represents the main themes of traditionalism" would seem out of place at first glance. But think about it. He is/was the only person on this planet that took traditionalism to its most absurd forms possible. Part of this, if not all of it, is what made him VERY FUNNY. At least to someone like Friedrich Nietzsche, who completely understood Schopenhauer's point (but did not necessarily agree with it).

Ehhh, there`s one distinction you do need to make.  Traditional teaching did not claim that the Objective/Absolute, etc. was unknowable, which is a claim Schopenhauer makes, thus, the nature of his extreme pessimism.  I do agree there's alot of hilarity in Schopenhauer.

I would however, be wary of attributing to traditionalism "the will to live" as opposed to "the will to power".  If anything, traditionalism is not about maintaining existence, but transcending it, gaining a more complete and thorough understanding of it, and self-mastery.  Is there a higher power than self-mastery?

Interzone / Re: Against Traditionalism
« on: October 02, 2010, 05:16:56 PM »
You might do well to read a bit deeper into it than that.  Evola's point was simply an extension of the Will to Power/Happiness as Power/Overcoming to a point where that power (one might say the highest) also includes mastery over the Self.  The Kybalion is not the only Hermetic text, and was a summary of earlier works anyways; I only mentioned it because he did indeed write about that practice as well.  In honesty, I don't find Nietzsche and Evola all that opposed, nor definitions here exactly at odds with each other.

There is a fundamental difference between Nietzsche's concept of the Will to Power and Schopenhauer's concept of the Will to Live. One could argue that what Death Metal and Black Metal so strongly emphasize is a Will to Die that parallels Schopenhauer's Will to Live. Actualy, the Will to Die would/could be the same thing as the Will to Live.

But with Nietzche's Will to Power, every idea that Schopehauer wanted to get across the table changes. First of all, Schopenhauer was Lamarckian. He did not get to see the Rise of Darwin.
Second of all, Schopenhauer (due to his mix of Platonism, Kantism, Buddhism, and Hinduism) believed that minerals were -actualy alive and sentient beings-. This shouldn't fucking shock anyone: "Animals, Plants, and Minerals", anyone? Remember that Darwin wasn't even born at the time of Arthur Schopenhauer: the most advanced biological studies were those of Lamarck. And Lamarck was also a biological vitalist.

Nietzsche's concept of the Will to Power is closer to what Heidegger tried to do within Nazi Germany: a military coup.

Wait, when did we start talking about Schopenhauer?  Unless you are positing him as representing the main themes of traditionalism.

Interzone / Re: Against Traditionalism
« on: October 02, 2010, 04:21:25 PM »
Hermeticism? You mean like the Kybalion? You can imagine I have absolutely no soft spot for such contemporary french literary rubbish...

The trascendentality of aristocracy was already discussed by Nietzsche as aristocratic, or Dionisian morals, as opposed to slave morality. He also opposes slave religions to aristocratic or Dionisian religions. "Religiosness" would be a better term, as it evokes an idea similar to that of "morality".

In other words, aristocratic values, being strongly anachronic, are as "trascendental" (or anachronicaly inmanent, if you preffer) as any other value system that pretends itself metaphysical.

You might do well to read a bit deeper into it than that.  Evola's point was simply an extension of the Will to Power/Happiness as Power/Overcoming to a point where that power (one might say the highest) also includes mastery over the Self.  The Kybalion is not the only Hermetic text, and was a summary of earlier works anyways; I only mentioned it because he did indeed write about that practice as well.  In honesty, I don't find Nietzsche and Evola all that opposed, nor definitions here exactly at odds with each other.

I just mean that if Evola heavily discusses his experiences in a book the focus of which is enlightenment, then if it is not conveyed how enlightenment is reached through these experiences, then the experiences are hollow insofar as is concerned the focus and purpose of said book.

Haha, actually you got it backwards.  He discusses methods of attainment, but wahn's argument is that his writing itself reflects an academic study rather than true knowledge and experience of these states.

Metal / Re: Audiences hate modern classical music
« on: October 02, 2010, 03:25:49 PM »
When ecstatic individuals begin singing atonal hymns of joy, you can tell me that collections of notes have no inherent qualities.

I'm not making that claim, but this site has used this argument to defend death metal, or at least that the qualities of particular sounds are insignificant.

Anyway, the more important point is that all the criticisms that have been made of atonal music are reducible to "it doesn't sound nice", with irrelevant philosophical points and historical misinformation grafted to it.  I for one think that it is unwise to make absolutist statements about something that one does not understand, personally I reserve my opinions for subjects on which I am well educated.

"Death metal uses tremolo strummed power chords in phrasal riffs, creating an internal dialogue of melody to project a narrative which takes us from a starting point through internal conflict to an ending radically removed from the start. This often complex music relies heavily on chromatic scales and solos that resemble sonic sculpture more than a reliance on scales or harmony, and use "modal stripes" or repeated interval patterns (such as a half interval followed by a whole) to maintain a mood. Inherently structuralist, death metal can be recognized by its "post-human" perspective, seeing the world through biology, history, warfare and mythology instead of the "I/me/mine" viewpoint of a modern society."

I don't see anything in there that gives credence to that, but please, if you can find a contradicting statement, I'd be interested to see it.

I'm quite familiar with atonal music.  I've heard a good deal of the stuff, as I previously stated.  I do think it's interesting that prior to the 20th century, no one endeavored to make music that was not in some sense ear-pleasing.  It's based on that, that I make the claim that it's incredibly abstract and theoretical music.


Yep, we're just all unenlightened folk, us non-atonal fellows.

Interzone / Re: Bible Quotes
« on: October 02, 2010, 03:07:18 PM »
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 holds that a woman must not touch a man's genitals in the midst of a fight:
When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

What's awesomely hilarious about that, is the fact that this scenario had enough precedent to merit being put in a nation's holy book.  Oh, those Jews.

Metal / Re: Audiences hate modern classical music
« on: October 02, 2010, 02:55:58 PM »
Actually the structures of the Webern variations are fairly easy to follow.  Seems to me like people aren't willing to put their bias aside for the sake of rational discussion, either that or they are simply not intelligent enough to understand the music.

Also I find it hypocritical to say the least, that the advocates of the form of nihilism which would deny that any sound or collection of sounds has inherent qualities would criticize a fundamentally structuralist music on the grounds that it uses "unnatural" collections of frequencies.  If people bothered to contemplate the implications of their arguments they wouldn't overlook such contradictions.

Good modernist music is like death metal without romanticism, which is really just a trace of humanism anyway.

Death metal isn't that romanticist, and romanticism is only humanistic when it is individualistic.  I think people need to remember that romantic heroes were not in fact models for general humanity, but supposed to be essentially god-like beings who claimed exceptional rights to what is forbidden, as a result of their superior nature.

When ecstatic individuals begin spontaneously singing atonal hymns of joy, you can tell me that collections of notes have no inherent qualities.

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