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Interzone / Defining God
« on: March 26, 2013, 10:23:28 AM »
People like Dawkins and Dennet sell huge quantities of books and seats at lecture halls by combatting what I think we can all say is a pretty weak form of the notion of "God" (the "big man in the sky").  However, many of those who are called upon to rebut their claims treat similarly weak interpretations (e.g. modern folk interpretations of the Abrahamic God), thus "New Atheism" is still seen as a viable platform by many.  The only way this anti-religious dogma can be quelled, as far as I see it, is by looking closely at what we mean when we say "God", and what is actually meant by the instigators of spiritual disciplines when they use similar terms.  I'll be treating the Christian God, since that's the one we, predominantly Westerners, have grown up with.

The BMS idea is pretty popular amongst exoteric (casual or fanatical) Christians, because it's a nice and easy story to comprehend: a man bigger than the universe got bored and made everything the way he wanted it, then made a small version of himself to make different things.  The big guy doesn't live here, but somewhere really really high up, and has an evil child under the earth.  Evil comes about when the little man forgets the big man and listens to the evil child.  Clearly this is dumb, I don't think it needs all that much exploring.

A more esoteric notion is that God is some fundamental force that creates and controls the spatiotemporal universe according to its own essential qualities (an idea found in a large amount of monastic literature).  It is not a "person" in the way that you or I are individual "people", but both contains and suffuses all people.  It's something like a "pinnacle of existence", a collection of ideal qualities, whence all lesser entities (such as ourselves) originate - the Form of the Good, as Plato would call it.  It is perfect, and so its expressions - love, laughter, happiness, bliss - are also perfect, though imperfect forms of them - fear, crying, sadness, discomfort - are also to be encountered in this world.  Don't worry, though: it's all part of the bigger plan, and it all works out in the end!  Evil is only perceived by imperfect people; the perfect God sees no such thing in the dramas that unfold on this planet, as he is all-loving (meaning even the bad bits are loved).  We all end up diffusing into this originating force at the "end of time", if that actually happens (death?).

Now, that's a much more agreeable notion of God, though it still has some holes, and is also really quite difficult for the uninitiated to understand (hence the downfall of religion over the ages).  I'd like to propose an even more esoteric understanding of God that is nevertheless simple enough to be understood by anyone: God is the one who's watching.  God is the one observing everything through everything.  When there is sight through your eyes, it is not the person who sees, but God who is seeing; indeed, when you think of yourself as that person, it is not the person considering itself to be itself, but God who is aware of the idea of an "ego".  When there is pain, it is God who is aware of the pain, and when there is joy, it is God who is aware of the joy.  At the most fundamental level, when I say "I", I mean "God": the feeling of being alive, of existing, is what is fundamental to "me", for if I didn't exist, who am "I"?

When scrutinised, this can be seen to be a refined form of the previous notion: all phenomena occur in God, and all phenomena grow out of God; however, God itself is not a phenomenon to be perceived, because it is the one perceiving (thus we can call it "noumenon").  It has no qualities of its own - no shape, size, odour, colour, thoughts, feelings, dispositions, or anything - for it is that which is aware of qualities.  How could it make anything out if it was something itself?  All things would be blurred by its own qualities, and yet the variety of the universe is perceived unhindered.

And now, notice how our definition has progressed: the common modern interpretation is obviously faulty, the older esoteric understanding pretty but overly complicated.  Where are we now?  Right back at the beginning: "in principio verbum est, et apud verbum deum, et deus verbum est"; "before all else ('in principle') is the Word, and with the Word is God, and God is the Word" [John 1:1].  Or this: "the Kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be perceived... but I tell you, the Kingdom of God is within you" [Luke 17:21].  The New Testament itself contains this streamlined notion of God, though so many are blind to it (as prophesied).  We have come full circle: what grew out of wisdom became knowledge, and knowledge dwindled to ignorance, whence wisdom was born again, as per the cycle of the ages.

I don't write much about Metal, at the moment, since I'm not listening to so much.  My writings are focused primarily on philosophy/theology, Tradition, "mysticism", psychedelics, and similar (the confines of the human experience, in short).

I honestly don't think there's all that much more that can be said about Metal: it is an instantiation of that essential quality of Man that strives towards, rather than away from, the Unknown, the Sublime, Reality, etc.  Thematically - in its spirit - it is a continuation of the perennial philosophy ("what is is"), though many bands have fucked up that expression with their own "opinions", man.  The best ones - e.g. Sabbath, Maiden, Morbid Angel, Burzum - if not actively recognising this influence (though Trey and, to a lesser extent, Varg do), at least manage to translate their experiences and interests into the same holistic context.

Sabbath = "yeah that's nice but what about this?", Maiden = "I'm killing for Glory!", MA = "PRAISE THE OLD ONES, DIE BEFORE YOU DIE", Burzum = "time to wake up from this shitty dream...".

Interzone / Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
« on: March 25, 2013, 09:36:26 AM »
First tenet of Hessiandom:

Act so that you have the least possible negative impact upon the world.

In the meantime, our critics have done -- well, what exactly? There are a number of spinoff sites created angrily by people who had objections to one or more of our honesty policies. All have failed or become assimilated into the same old stuff.

I support much of what this site stands for, but dislike many aspects of the direction it's gone in: the esotericism is lost; much of what is being spewed forth on the blog is sub-par crap that wouldn't have been tolerated before the push to "reach a larger audience" (which almost certainly requires new content, granted).  I'd like to say that not all of the groups/sites that have branched off from here have "failed" or "become assimilated into the same old stuff", unless "the same old stuff" is code for "examining the heart of Metal, its principles and message".  There is much in the works in many places on the web.

Amusingly, one of the biggest successes of the offshoots - hessian.org, and the Hessian Zine - was assimilated into deathmetal.org.  How ironic, man!

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Interzone / Re: Squawk!
« on: March 24, 2013, 01:29:48 PM »
Easiest way to see the "future" is to watch what's happening now; the future won't happen any other time.

It's amusing how well people function without context, compared to how badly they function with it.  Ideology is a hindrance: people become too caught up in "what ifs" and "if onlys" to be able to reconcile their desires with "what is".  Even more so, notions of "self" are a hindrance: people become too caught up in "I ought blah" or "why me" to be able to act appropriately in a situation.

The one which always gets me is the line that goes something like "yeah, I can be a bit of a dick sometimes".  Why?  Why are you doing that to yourself and others?  It's the thought alone that legitimises itself.  There is nothing fundamentally "bad", "evil", or "dickish" in the world, but for humans believing that they are such and subsequently acting out those beliefs.  Karma's only a bitch if you sew shitty seeds; if attitude precedes action, then fix your attitude before complaining about how you're crap (usually done in a manner which suggests that it's not only permissible, but even expected of one to be crap.  Kali Yuga, eh?  What will those crazy iron age people get up to next?).

Interzone / Re: Value versus Socialization.
« on: March 24, 2013, 12:02:04 PM »
In my experience, "socialisation" is the activity whereby ideas and experiences are shared between humans.  If I hold a party, or meet people at the pub, we invariably begin talking about the things which can only be talked around (i.e. reality), allowing for a number of people to have doors that were once closed opened.  Inspiring interest in worlds beyond that of the individual ego is the greatest fruit of human interaction, though there are innumerable pitfalls around this (e.g. hipster "knowledge battles", social power games, and, of course, objectification of others [esp. other sex, though also "enemies", "idiots", etc.]).

Interzone / Re: Spiritual awareness in the thick of society
« on: March 24, 2013, 11:56:03 AM »
I think Buddha would have said, straight off the bat, "Who is this 'I', who is believed to harbor no such deeper emotions?".

There is no path to enlightenment; you are already enlightened.  That's the unkept secret that causes people to laugh upon its discovery ("realisation").

Interzone / Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
« on: March 24, 2013, 05:41:34 AM »
Oh and Cargest - sleeping, exercising, and thinking help to preserve one's self. I hope you still do those!  :P

Nope, haven't done them for a while - my body sleeps and exercises, and my mind is aware of thoughts, but I'm pretty comfortable just casually observing the whole process ; )

If the denizens of this forum managed to reproduce prodigiously over the next few years, World Crumple would be avoided for quite some time, if not altogether diverted.  There are enough intelligent people here that our spawn would be able to take the US and China with common sense and Metal.

Interzone / Re: Authority.
« on: March 23, 2013, 07:59:19 AM »
truly spiritual teaching loses its significance when people are physically seperated

Another instance of someone speaking without understanding!

Surely you're aware that the majority of spiritual teachers followed today are dead, yes?  Spirituality is that which extends beyond any physical life: devotees of Ramana Maharshi still learn from him through reflection on his character (jiva), as do the followers of Hazrat Inayat Kahn, or Mother Teresa (not to mention Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, etc.).  One of the most famous and well-loved teachers is Shiva, who hasn't been amongst the people for however many millenia!  What about the Guru Granth Sahib of Sikhism, which isn't even a person, but a book?  This statement you've made would illegitemise Bhakti yoga, which is the basis of most religion (devotion to the unattainable).

When you have a good grasp of what is, it is clear that you are teaching yourself, one manifestation to another.  There is nothing that is not known, as there is nothing that does not appear within you.  It may appear to some things within you that there are other things than they which hold knowledge that they do not, but this is a mere appearence.

This one has learnt more from the dead than from the living, and has come to know its true nature with no teacher other than the World itself.  If that teaching should choose to come in the form of an internet post, why deny it on the basis of form alone?  That is unenlightened behaviour ; )

Interzone / Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
« on: March 23, 2013, 07:46:25 AM »
When one is not geared towards self-preservation, or preservation of any kind, the world ceases to hold threats, and holds only wonders.  This is the natural state of man!

Why do you need to preserve yourself?  Firstly, what is so important about any organism that it ought continue?  Only the ego, the distinct sense of "I" as this one manifestation, considers itself necessary to existence (for it knows nothing other than itself).  Secondly, what have you ever truly done to preserve yourself?  Was it not always the "external world" that provided for you?  Your energy comes from the Sun, your body from the Earth, your breath from the Skies and your blood from the Seas: it is these forces that sustain you.  You will return to Death when the stars are right.  Don't strive to survive; it'll happen for as long as it needs to.  Enjoy this moment, or you'll miss this experience.

Interzone / Re: What 'thinking' actually is...
« on: March 23, 2013, 07:29:30 AM »
No, I think you've done a good job of distinguishing between mind-as-self (ego) and mind-as-tool (normal).  It's not that I would consider the mind and the ego to be the same, but that the mind has learnt to refer to itself as "I" quite a bit.  It's slowly remembering that it isn't me!

Interzone / Re: Humility. What is it?
« on: March 22, 2013, 11:36:22 AM »
Easy way to be humble: forget everything.  Leave it all behind; you can only enter heaven as naked as you were the day you left.

Mr. Zombie, you might relieve yourself by realising that the only thing associating yourself with the past is your mind - what are you right now?  If you are aware of there having been error, then you've transcended that fault.

Interzone / Re: What 'thinking' actually is...
« on: March 22, 2013, 11:21:19 AM »
Unless, of course, you are so certain of your ability to improvise and problem-solve, that plans become wasteful of time.

My mind considers it a problem that I appear to be capable of this.  No planning means it doesn't get used as much.  Is this really a problem?  Assuredly, there's no such thing as "problem" unless you think there is!  Even my mind knows that my mind is amusingly dumb, though good at what it does.

Interzone / Re: Mystical Thinking.
« on: March 22, 2013, 11:05:35 AM »
Amusing that the results of mysticism vs. thinking are the opposite of what one might expect: facing Truth as it is yields laughter and enjoyment (Truth helps you along in life); constructing fantasies yields depression and madness (Truth beats the shit out of your mind).

Interzone / Re: 'Uber-Man': A primer in how to be one.
« on: March 22, 2013, 10:58:35 AM »
Funnily enough, a thought along similar lines came to me a few days ago.

If animals have the capacity for awareness but not the depth of focus of men, and men the capacity for attention but not the degree of awareness of the animal, then the overman is the one who is both aware and attentive; he is awake.  You don't need anything else - no thought or feeling, no ideals, no concepts.  Being wholly in the environment in which you find yourself is sufficient to be able to function appropriately in that environment; there is no true distinction between self and environment, thus, being none other than it, action will be yielded as required.

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