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Metal / Re: Best Black Metal Album of 2010 Nominations
« on: December 14, 2010, 06:35:56 PM »
I was similarly skeptical of Ekpyrosis when I first heard it. There are some songs in there that did sound as though they were simply coming up with stuff at random. But, when I listened to Mournful Sunset of the Forsaken a couple of times, I changed my mind.


Metal / Re: Important metal from 2010
« on: December 12, 2010, 08:40:22 PM »
Open to all metal, and really, anything good.

1. Divine Eve - Vengeful and Obstinate. Great onrushing doom.
2. Avzhia - In My Domains. This is great, like Graveland and Sorcier des Glaces in a Southern style.
3. Malevolent Creation - Unreleased 1987 CD. Three tracks of awesome speed metal like Forbidden, Artillery, Helstar and Exodus.

I'm sure I overlooked something.

What do you make of Setherials Ekpyrosis? (to be myopic)

Metal / Re: Important metal from 2010
« on: December 12, 2010, 08:39:03 PM »
Everywhere I go people copy what I do. I think its a curse.

Metal / Re: Best Black Metal Album of 2010 Nominations
« on: December 12, 2010, 11:04:10 AM »
Out of the ones I've heard so far, only Profanatica has made a great one. I'll be listening to Inquisition's as well, and I'm sure it will be good, but probably not anything more than that. Fantastic cover, though.

That being said, I don't really think of "best of the year" type categories. Which results in me not listening to any particular year's many releases until two or three years down the road. Best of the relevant period, sure - out of post-2000 black metal, for example, Avzhia's sophomore easily beats everything else. Engram comes in at second, followed closely by Oath Bound, Ildjarn-Nidhogg, Tetragrammatical Astygmata, and Belial Arisen. There were several other good ones, but those are the few I could consider calling actual classics, unless I'm forgetting one or two others(in which case they're probably not that classic anyway).

Thanks for the links.

I know debating music is one of those things but Profanatica - to my mind -  doesnt really do anything besides trying to shock. Inquisition have come up with some interesting riffs and their songs develop in a way i havent heard before. Ashia's In My Domain uses keyboards very well, though slightly repetative. I associat them with a more melodic stream that is breaking off of the 90s stuff like Blut Aus Nord. Idjarn is in a world of this own but I still find his ambient stuff better than his metal (not to discredit the latter). Oath Bound is a good album but Summoning arent doing anything they havent done before. Not to descridit them for this but I am personally interested in bands that are doing thigns differently at the moment. Ill  listen to you r other suggestions later, but I highly recommend Setherials Ekpyrosis to people looking for black metal that is avant garde (to use a term that gets thrown around too often) (though their llyrics arent particaly noteworthy, unfortunately)

Metal / Best Black Metal Album of 2010 Nominations
« on: December 11, 2010, 05:07:10 PM »
Nomination: Setherial, Ekpyrosis.

Interzone / Re: German Politician Declares Multiculturalism a Failure
« on: October 17, 2010, 03:59:07 PM »
Im wondering whether this public debate, with which I completely agree, in some way or another legitimizes the Nationaist Part (NPD).

Unfortauntely, I cant see any real solutions to the proble. Sure,you can twake immigration policy, but your still left with breeding turks in the country and there is nothing the government can really do to counteract this.

Interzone / Re: Collapse News Desk
« on: October 17, 2010, 12:42:57 PM »
It might sound trite but lack of spending has real implications in economic theory. And although speculating about individuals who don't spent might sound insignificant, microeconomis is after all about individual consumer behavior. But yeah, personally, I m not much of  a spender either. Must be something wrong with economics.

Interzone / Re: Collapse News Desk
« on: October 16, 2010, 11:48:30 PM »

The “bad news” is that “peak oil” marks the beginning of the end of capitalism and market politics because many decades of declining “net energy” [1] will result in many decades of declining economic activity. And since capitalism can’t run backwards, a new method of distributing goods and services must be found. The “good news” is that our “market system” is fantastically inefficient! Americans could be wasting something like two billion tonnes (metric tons) of oil equivalent energy per year!!

      In order to avoid anarchy, rebellion, civil war and global nuclear conflict, Americans must force a fundamental change in our political environment. We can keep the same political structures and people, but we must totally eliminate corporate-special interests from our political environment. A careful review of the progressive assault on laissez faire constitutionalism and neoclassical economics, from the 1880s through the 1930s, explains how this can be done legally and without violence. These early progressives showed how we can save our country. All that is lacking now is the political will. I call this adjustment of our political environment “America 2.0.”

      The reason that America 2.0 is so important and should be implemented as the first in a series of many political reforms is because it’s “constitutional politics” (politics that changes politics). The modification that I am proposing would fundamentally alter the nature of politics in America.

      To achieve America 2.0, we must first separate and isolate our political system from our economic system so that government can begin to actually address and solve societal problems rather than merely catering to corporate interests. The second step is to retire most working American citizens with an annuity sufficient for health and happiness, as government begins to eliminate the current enormous waste of vital resources by delivering goods and services directly. This would allow most adults to stay at home with their families but still receive the goods and services they need to enjoy life.

      America 2.0 is based on the biological principle that organisms respond to environmental cues. If one changes an organism’s environmental cues, then one also changes an organism’s behavior. If the voting public and political decision-makers only receive cues designed to mitigate our crisis, then all choices they make will be aimed at mitigating that crisis. This is an extremely simple way to implement a science-based government.

      After America 2.0 has been implemented, all the choices made by elected officials will be, by best calculations, “good” for the public. Officials will decide among a selection of public “goods.” Corporations will become the public servants that they were before 1860


Interzone / Re: Collapse News Desk
« on: October 16, 2010, 11:43:13 PM »

Japan, Once Dynamic, Is Disheartened by Decline

Economists are pointing to Japan, which has been trapped in low growth and deflation, as a dark vision of the future for the West.


Interzone / Collapse News Desk
« on: October 16, 2010, 11:41:27 PM »
There are many events unfolding today that suggest the West will collapse or has already started to slowly. Virtually all the infrastructure we've built up since the Second World War is largel based on oil. which the International Energy Agency says will peak around 2020. Socioety has furthermore institutionalizesits own destruction. The Private Sector, that part of economy which makes most of the influential and destructive decisions is entirely based around increasing short term profit for stakeholders (in fact, its required by Anglo American law). CEOs - besides laudable initiatives by organizations such the World Business Council for Environment and Development - do not have a choice here. Our institutions furthermore lack democratic accountability and the ability to distribute resourfces responsibly (I know this is a controversial point here but like it or not, if you want industrial society to persist you have to bembrace democracy IMO). There is not one single political leader in OECD countries who is stepping up to the plate on climate change. In fact, the OECD doesnt even have a study group on the issue and those bodies that do deal with the issue are largely staffed by economists. The rest you all know: growin populations, poor countries embracing the Western industrial model and growing, habitat loss, resource scarcity, nuclear weapon proliferation, climate change etc etc etc.

I am starting this thread to encourage people to post individual news articles that in some way or another deal with Collapse. I am looking for an internet forum where intelligent people study this issue as it unfolds and I thought anus would hopefully be the place. So, post news articles, websites, books and thoughts dealing with Collapse on this thread. I am hoping this will be a long term project.

Interzone / Re: Economics
« on: October 08, 2010, 05:54:33 PM »
What interests me about economics is its relationship to philosophy and how certain economic systems are arguably ossifications of certain philosophies. For instance, elitism is a philosophical concept. However, it takes place, in society, economically, when the means of production are owned by private interests (Capitalism) that then seek to maximize their profit by minimizing wages and specializing labor.
That said, I found two things particularly interesting in what Ive read on the subject. The first is the historical fact that the Medieval Christian church was opposed to those forms of capitalism extant at the time, due to its “deification” of money (presumably instead of God).  This goes to the core of my thinking on the market economies which makes capitalism function. Namely, that it is a way of replacing previously religious or philosophical valuations of things with money. This, to my mind, has the implication that society can no longer function rationally, since markets do the make the decisions. When politicians let the market regulate itself, they are accepting the net decisions of consumers acting in self interest.  In the case of environmental policy, this is not a self reflexive decision but the end results of some sort of consumer voting process. Indeed, entire movements have arisen (the Tea Party) which view politics, in contrast to markets, as essentially anti democratic. My response, however, would be that markets are irrational. They are not the result of debate (dialectic) but of mostly individual whims that are products of advertising, peer pressure, individualism / feeling better than other people etc. The rational self interested person is not rational when they buy a car, but they are indeed self interested.  Markets therefore do not simply fail when externalities are ignored because including these would make a firm less competitive, but markets themlseves only exist today because philosophy has failed to provide us with alternate answers. In medieval times, there would have been clear prescriptions about something being sacred and why, today supply and demand would meet to produce a price. These are two fundamentally different forms of valuation and the latter is to my mind clearly inferior to the former. This is probably also the reason why, in many traditional societies, the merchant class (in the case of India, the Sudra) was often marginalized in favor of the priestly caste (the Brahman). Indeed, this shift in the way we valuate is so fundamental that I would argue that the person raised in a capitalist society is a different person than the one who isn’t.
The second point that struck me at in reading on Capitalism was that the opening of the American frontier and the trade associated with it, enabled previously poor people to become rich, for the first time in history. This meant, says the Author, that they didn’t need to rely on the “patronage of a rich monarch or Aristocrat.” Capitalism contributed therefore to a diversification of the interests represented in society. This shift towards equalization and consequent diversification, interestingly enough goes hand in hand with nihilism and the loss of meaning of things that are ossified (vie econpomics) in society. When a King governs a society his philosophy is paramount. When others gain economic wealth and therefore influence in howdecisions are made, their philosophies come into play. Capitalism, in this sense, has therefore contributed to the evolution of philosophy, since it forced the elite to confront their previous preconceptions and, I would presume, defend these, in some form or another against other interests. Society therefore become sublimated in some form or another and decisions are subject to debate. The increased standards of living associated with the way capitalism helped free people from the Malthusian trap can be used as further evidence for the fact that it is beneficial to culture, since, as Aristotle said, culture requires leisure.

Interzone / Economics
« on: October 04, 2010, 03:30:27 PM »
Are any of you familiar with the paradigm of contemporary, neoclassical economics? Given the general dissidence expressed on this forum and given the centrality of economic thought to modernity, I'm wondering what people on this forum make of the basic economic ideas (hidden hand, market failures, ecological vs environmental economics, the lsit goes on). There is a very interesting relationship between philosophy and economics also. For instance, I would argue that the environmental problems we have are essentially economic problems. Understanding economics is also central to understanding contemporary politics. Should market be regulated? Can environmental problems be solved by emissions trading and other market mechanisms? Is state intervention called for, and if yes, when? etc Please discuss.

Interzone / Re: Is it possible to recreate forests?
« on: October 03, 2010, 12:11:40 PM »
Destroying forests IS recreating them, since forests go through natural disturbances that can be mimicked. If you have biodiversity, yes you can speed up forest succession to reach old Old Growth or other Seral Stages. However, once a species is extinct, it is, as we all know. gone forever.  Conservation Biology is the discipline you'll want to read up on.

Interzone / Re: Against Traditionalism
« on: October 01, 2010, 10:03:11 AM »
I have a cold so Im nto up for thinking this through in too much details. And, its been quite a long time since I read Evola. But yes, reading MEditations gave me the impression that Evola's mountain climbing, like his scholarship, was a search for absolute experience. The fact that he looks for these experiences in so many things did make me thinnk that he never had them. We could list a whole bunch of stuff:

Mountainclimbing, Walking around cities whilst they were bombarded, Sex, Yoga, Martial Arts, Meditation. I do not deny that all of these thigns he learned and (in the vase of climbing) shaped him in some admirable way, but I do not recall reading a passage in his writing that made me think the he found the truth. Which is also why I am actually interested in his Revolt Against the Modern World, where he basically creates a political philosophy around what I argue he is looking for a project he carries out convincingly which suggests that perhaps he did have some sort of initiatic knowledge. Thoughts?

Interzone / Re: Tree worship
« on: August 16, 2010, 04:18:43 PM »
Interesting idea. I was just raised under the dominant wester science paradigm, hence my speculation. You might be interested in what certain Qi Gong masters can do: They project their Qi onto other people to heal etc. Kind of reminds me of what your talking about.

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