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Metal / Re: When bands run out of ideas
« on: June 15, 2008, 10:42:55 PM »

The business model is definitely the underlying problem - it leads to, as you so correctly diagnose, the dominance of marketing over all other considerations. †It's not that there were no economic concerns involved with the classical tradition, it's just that business model for classical composers (though not necessarily for classical performers) has always been fundamentally elitist. †The classical composer has always made his money through commissioned works, rather than through the sale of works on speculation. †This has several beneficial consequences:

1. Classical composers can and have been far more uncompromising than most recording artists are, because their audience is not a mass public, but an educated and cultured elite who A.) tend to have a better understanding of art anyway and B.) aren't going to admit it if they don't. †

2. It eliminates the ad men from the equation entirely. †Under a commission system, a work is sold before it is even conceived. †When the money comes from selling records, the whole economic system is built on speculation. †The artist has to take "can I sell this" into consideration (if he's trying to make a living from his art), and the marketing gurus become more important than the artists or the audience.

For the sake of expanding on this topic more, as it is interesting to me, I'll ask some questions in the vein of "Playing Devil's Advocate"
1) Then might appear the risk of trying to appeal that elite of listeners and to please their tastes, assuming this elite isn't false, the problem still arises.

2) Wouldn't the work beeing payed already will put stress on the artist to complete it fast, not allowing him to take the time to do it according his vision?
(like from "can I sell this" to a "I need to meet scheduals")

3) As I agree to all the other points mentioned I'd like to know if you would be kind enough to elaborate, how did the commissions system work? which artists were given a work order and how were they spotted in the first place, perhaps I'm more directing here to how a starting talented composer, say bach or beethoven, got to ever be in a status of doing commissioned works?

Interzone / Re: Thrash versus Thrash Metal
« on: June 04, 2008, 05:06:32 AM »
Worth mentioning the old testament tale revolving around the origin of "Shibboleth". As mentioned in the dictionary :
"Etymology: Hebrew shibbōleth stream; from the use of this word in Judg 12:6 as a test to distinguish Gileadites from Ephraimites "

The Ephraimites, as memory serves me, used to pronounce the word as "Sibolet" (which means in hebrew endurance/stamina) instead of the proper "Shibbolet" (which is the word for a stalk of grain). The Gileadites then would determine Ephraimites by their wrong pronounciation of Shibbolet and strike them dead. I can just imagine an Ephraimite outraging : "Maaan, it's just a word! everybody says it that way! who cares?!!" just before a blade came crushing through his skull.

Metal / Re: Suspiciously similar riffs in metal music.
« on: February 21, 2008, 05:19:51 AM »
After listening to metal for awhile it seems quite common that you get this reusing of riffs(band "ripping of" themselves), but even here there must be some originality, for example Godflesh reused on Merciless EP that sort of guitar soloing that was found in "Donīt Bring Me Flowers" (from preceding album "Pure") and twisted it into a slower but crushing main riff in "Flowers" and the results are quite different in those two work from changing the utilization. I think that in a way applies also to ripping of without blatantly copying the same riff.

Interzone / Re: Shining is morbidly overrated
« on: January 31, 2008, 01:56:42 AM »
Since when being a homo became part of the black metal ethos?

No wonder why I felt deeply appalled by Shining's music from even before. Now I start to realize why anus dubs all this 'new' BM as emo.

Interzone / Re: World Peace
« on: December 28, 2007, 11:07:02 AM »

אני מקיא על ילדו של האל.

well, the site doesn't support non latin letters.

Interzone / Re: Winner Takes All
« on: December 06, 2007, 08:53:42 AM »
Great article for anyone beginning to grow interest in ANUS.

What I liked here is the idea of the best method taking over and prevailing over the different routes offered to solve a problem. When you think about it it's quite common-sense yet somehow gov's always fall into extremes: that of either capitalism or socialism which both fail as seen before. It's really a wonder why no one applies the more balanced idea given here. Well, it isn't much of wonder when you take popularity into the equation...

One question though is about the Slavic nations falling prey to the mongols, which I don't quite understand. To the best of my knowledge if it weren't for the those slavic nations who stopped the invasion, everybody in Europe would fucking speak and look like the Chinese.

Interzone / Re: IQ
« on: December 01, 2007, 03:04:07 AM »
Yes, there is a possibility for things to not move forward, but if you opt to a world undiscriminating towards morons it's a sure thing that things will only get worse.

So eventually you can choose either to take a risk and to try improve things the way you see fit, or just sit back basking in idleness and watch it all go down the drain.

I believe that's what a few posts earlier B4B and Viridovix explained at length.

Interzone / Re: Good Quotes
« on: November 28, 2007, 03:45:52 AM »
A good quote i heard some time ago:

"Those who do not heed the words of the old, do not reach old age"

It's not the accurate quote since I paraphrased it from my memory, also pardon me but I don't remember the author of it.

Interzone / Re: 30's fiction and the spirit of metal
« on: November 28, 2007, 02:57:33 AM »

Contains a bunch of lovecraft's works(including poems and essays), I believe it's more extensive than what found of temple of dagon site.

Also, I have recently started reading R.E.Howard works as well, so far I read through all "The Hyborean Age" which describes the events that lead to world seen in Conan adventures, and will read further Conan stories.

What I like about these two guys is the fact you don't have any politically correct apologetics and races (espcially with R.E.H.) rise and fall according to their will to understand the world and strive for a better civilaztion, as well as warning of the decadence which awaits to the vain and greedy: when you become too sure of yourself, and oblivous to the facts and to processes nature undertake that brought you about to begin with, in other words what happens if you ignore reality.

Personally when it comes to metal, I don't think any band managed to create a fitting soundtrack or a unique "sound" which illustrates the magnitude of the macabre and adventure found in the efforts of both writers, though I believe Morbid Angel came the closest to that (to the more Lovecraftian side of things).  I'm thinking following and expanding on the themes of both writers can bring about more vigor and content back to metal, should be a really interesting direction to follow.

Ahh yes, when it comes to Lovecraft I suggest to read Azathoth, 3 paragraphs of a story that contain an entire mystical grandure.

EDIT: there is a wealth of stories to be found of Robert Howard in the Gutenberg Project:

(Scroll down to 'H' to find Howard)

Metal / Re: Churches burn in France
« on: July 06, 2007, 10:48:04 PM »
It's good to see there are still some good folks upholding in action what they believe in, but I'm sick of those whining bastards who say "oooh what morons! they burned such an historic relic"
or "they are thirty and do this stupid shit"
and then they throw an occasional "grow up!" in the end, as if to show their "intellectual" superiority and deep "understanding" that only showcases their own impotence of doing anything. Notice how this kind of people allways talk about what you should not do, but never mention any alternative actions to be taken, they can't even fathom them, because after all metal is just music it doesn't require you to follow the principles it sees as basic so you sit on your ass a spew liberal propaganda, you probably won't find a more accurate definition of hypocrisy than that.

I think is best to reply those people with a Minor Threat song line : "What the fuck have you done!?"

Time after time, I get frustrated over how dumb the metal crowd have become. How the hell did it ever come to be?

It would be interesting to get an answer from someone who witnessed this process occuring.

Metal / Re: Communicating with normals
« on: June 12, 2007, 06:00:32 AM »
While all the talk went around here some positive action came about. In a local internet outlet of wide-read newspaper here in Israel there has been published an interview with a guy who is accepted amongst the art-smart people in my country for his music (he mostly plays a singer-writer style music, but at one period in the past was a member of a famous hard rock band reputed to be the first one in Israel to have lyrics in english), †anyway the article reveals he is quite fluent with metal and not only the older style but the later Black and Death Metal.

In the nutshell, the surprising thing is that he is for real and doesn't afraid to speak out his mind. For example he doesn't show much inthusiasm about Death's Symbolic, saying it is composed to sound live, it has a metalic sense but it isn't anything special ("didn't knock me of my chair" was the exact expression) it may not be much, but in the metal scene in my country, Death is revered by many as some sacred cow, so it's a nice blow to their "elitism". Most inportantly however is that this guy even mentions explicitly that european metal has in it a great Classical music influence which overshadows the influces of black music in metal.

I can only hope that there is someone like this in your own countries, because this article just made my day a whole lot better.

Metal / Re: Communicating with normals
« on: June 09, 2007, 10:17:55 AM »
Well, in this department it seems I have planted some seeds. I've got a friend who is 4 years younger than me, by chance I manage to catch him in this specific period of time when as a teenager he starts to discover music beyond that which is popular, although he has loads of crappy music including the worse of what metal came up with, but I pump suggestions about better bands and he is interested to listen to and recieve information, debate about it and to try and learn more. It's commandable, since he is of few persons I know who is willing to explore that which is unknown to him. I've directed him to Dark Legions Archives and the Neoclassical site, and even introduced him to At The Gates which he liked very much.

Metal / Re: Listening
« on: June 02, 2007, 04:38:53 AM »
Mayhem-to-Carnage, I can see your point, but I would say that the full attention span in itself is subjected to the circumstances in which you're applying it to something.

For example, my personal experience with Demilich. When I first discovered them, it was this mind-blowing, different from all Death Metal I have heard previously. But no matter what, I could not penetrate to the core of what constitutes the being called Demilich, it was like hearing the music and getting all of the great technicalities that made this band unique, but being denied of the spirit, of the ethereal foundation that really generated the magnificence of the music.  And mind you, I would listen to them in full devotion, trying to decipher each and every peculiarity, however that understanding I was seeking, only hit me during some physical labour I was perfoming whilst Demilich was on,  one can say I was listening off handedly, but as the music spread, it engulfed the whole room, it was like the spaces between all the condensed riffage grew and expanded, all the beauty was revealed, the curtain was pulled and a host of meanings flew in. This is how it happens for me with most of the music i hear. There is always that special moment that you aren't ready for when all your senses are hightened and are ready to percieve thing you normaly wouldn't.

Metal / Re: Salem releases new video
« on: May 08, 2007, 09:26:59 AM »

I was pointing out a simple fact : the Holocaust wasn't a war, it was a slaughter. The war was the "Second World War", not "the Holocaust". Maybe that's just an involuntary mistake on the part of Salem songwriters, but it's still an error.

I think you are right with leftists in IsraŽl : the right-wing Jews often aren't even in IsraŽl, rather in America or Europe †:)

I can see the validness of your remarks, a mistake is a mistake, whether made unintetionaly or not.

As for the right wing jewish forces abroad, it's quite an irritating situation for me, since many of them are just hypocrite, they talk about being ashamed that they aren't fully jews because they don't live in Israel, yet they boast about how patriotic they are from a far, while those of us who live in Israel shed their blood for them, if they truly want to help then they should leave other countries alone and come to Israel and help build a nation worth its name. But heck, I guess I'm preaching to the already converted, better take this and troll a site that needs it.

Metal / Re: Serialism in Heavy Metal.
« on: May 08, 2007, 09:15:04 AM »
For those of us less informed, can any of you guys point out some sources for purposes of learning more on serialism, modal music and such.

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