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Metal / Re: What Metal is not
« on: May 31, 2010, 11:44:47 AM »
Metal is not anything that is not equal to Metal.

It's called the law of non-contradiction.

End Thread

What I said about the philosophy of Metal also addresses strands of thought that have been brought into Metal culture by outsiders.

Metal / Re: What Metal is not
« on: May 16, 2010, 10:08:42 AM »
Just to be clear: when I am describing what Metal is not, I'm talking about the philosophy of Metal, rather than the social lives of Metal musicians and fans. Also, I'm not saying that drinking and blowing off a little steam every now and then is a bad thing, I'm just making the point that partying is not what philosophy of Metal is about.


Metal / Re: What Metal is not
« on: May 15, 2010, 10:34:18 AM »
What Metal is
- In some cases, a form of ativism, in that it originates from reactivated ideas and genes

are you speaking specifically of Romanticism?  or something even more ancient?

It would depend on the band. I think that certain Death Metal bands evoke Romantic feelings (think Dismember's "Like An Everflowing Stream"), whereas the best Black Metal bands express something much more ancient. For example, Burzum's music is very atavistic to me, in that it expresses ideas and thoughts that are of an ancient origin.

Also, please keep in mind that I am not a scientist, so my understanding of biological atavism is not going to be anything close to that of one. That being said, I'm pretty sure from my studies that experiences can have the effect of turning genes on or off. The best Metal is quite profound in how it moves its listener, so I would not be surprised if some Metal activated genes that are normally muted by modern conditioning.

Metal / Re: What Metal is not
« on: May 12, 2010, 09:28:12 AM »
I am sure you are providing in a correct interpretation in some context, but I don't think I need to point out it isn't an historically accurate one. In that context, metal has in the vast majority of cases been exactly what you said it isn't. I don't disagree with the general proposition, but maybe these ideas should be arranged normatively, not descriptively?

When I refer to Metal, I am focusing on quality Metal bands. Correct me if I am wrong, but in the cases of quality Metal bands, Metal has not been a party, an excuse to drop out, reactionary, or an expression of a particular school of thought. Bands that we would designate as low-quality Metal may be charachterized by some of these traits, but the best bands are not.

Metal / Re: What Metal is not
« on: May 12, 2010, 09:23:33 AM »
- In some cases, a response to, rather than an reaction against, Christianity and the state of modernity

Metal: That which could instead be as a response to
Modernity: The Should Be we are given.

possibilities vs. a linear absolute

I agree with what you are saying. What I was trying to say is that Metal is not reactionary, but rather is born out of an impetus to arrive at something better than Christianity and modernity.

Metal / What Metal is not
« on: May 11, 2010, 07:44:56 PM »
People interpret forms of music and their historical foundations differently. A traditional Hessian or Metalhead should be disturbed by some of the modern interpretations of Metal. Outsiders to the genre and new-school Metal people (nu-Metal, indie Metal, hipster Metal, Metalcore) have a distorted picture of what Metal music truly is. The following list corresponds to some misinterpretations of Metal and Metal culture that the aforementioned groups have.

What Metal is not
- An excuse to drop out of life or society
- A party
- The expression of thought of a specific ideology or school of thought

These are some of the alarming misinterpretations of Metal that can be observed in this age. The worst bands and their fans, and even some fans of bands that we would consider of a high standard, are charachterized by these inaccurate interpretations of Metal.

Looking at this list, we are pressed with the question, "What is Metal?". I will offer a few answers to this question.

What Metal is
- An expression of serious spiritual and philosophical thought
- In some cases, a form of ativism, in that it originates from reactivated ideas and genes
- In some cases, a response to, rather than an reaction against, Christianity and the state of modernity

EDIT: I'd also like to mention something else, which is that Metal is not a fashion statement. This flies in the face of the perceptions of people that get into Metal because they like wearing interesting t-shirts and jackets with patches on them. This is something that most of you probably know, but I'd like to point it out, because it is another alarming interpretation that some have of Metal.

Interzone / Re: Why people hate this forum
« on: December 12, 2009, 06:10:13 PM »
A few elements of this forum stand out as adversariale to the the crowdist:
1) It promotes true elitism, which the crowd hates
2) It promotes quality Metal, which is quite unpopular to the new-school breed of Metalcore fans and beardo- Metal fans
3) Its core values are informed by a tradition that stands against new-school metal ideals

Metal / Re: Why Hessians need identity as a culture
« on: October 19, 2009, 05:40:39 PM »
It's a matter of evolution to me. Musically speaking, some feel restrained by the genre and clinge to the more out-dated elements of Metal, while others remain true to the roots of Metal while still pursuing an evolutionary pathway. Beherit, Burzum, and Summoning are examples of the latter.

As far as Metal as a culture goes, I would say that Hessian people need to apply themselves in other fields, while not over-extending themselves. We already have some very talented Hessian students, but what we need more are people who can do what Beherit, Burzum, and Summoning did with their music, which is stay true to the their Hessian roots while still developing in an evolutionary matter. We need people who can carry the values and ideas of Metal over into their adult lives in a sensible manner. When that happens, we will have more Hessian politicians, academics, professionals, and people of similar positions of power. In short, more personal development and socialization, and less isolation and self-insolation.

Metal / Re: Utterly consistent bands
« on: October 10, 2009, 02:34:56 PM »
I agree with some of the previous posters that Summoning represents consistency in Metal more so than most bands - in my mind, more than any other band. Most of the best Metal bands have a lifecycle whereby which they release a solid debut album, an even stronger and more conceptually rich sophemore album, and usually another solid, though less conceptually consistent, third album before burning out of energy and either breaking up or regressing to a pattern of sub-par releases. Deicide, Morbid Angel, and Slayer, though they have realised more than three quality albums, all fall in line with this pattern. Is this pattern a reflection of the correlation between youthful energy of Metal and its inspiration? I would say so.

I think that the most consistent bands are usually the ones that are the most conceptually and ideologically firmly rooted. Summoning, Burzum, Graveland, and Averse Sefira all come to mind. This trait is more visible in Black Metal, which as I have noted in a previous post is more charachterized by a resurgance of belief and ideas, rather than the general lack of belief that charachterizes Death Metal.

Metal / Re: Death/black metal on mainstream radio
« on: October 10, 2009, 02:22:51 PM »
The underground status of quality Metal to me is a trait and condition of its birth to me, rather than a reason to support Metal. Furthermore, I believe that quality Metal should stay underground, as it needs to maintain its occult roots. I also think that Metal is best to do without mainstream support. The mainstream media will often be fascinated with  the phenomenon that is Metal, but its motives are financial and not cultural, and so it is not in the best interest of Metal to become intertwined with commercial powers. Might I add that Metal is already infiltrated by negative mainstream affiliations, hence the Snickers and similar advertisements that can be seen at Metal festivals in Europe. My advice is that Metal affiliate itself with independent types more.

Metal / Re: We declare a war on shitty Metal
« on: September 30, 2009, 06:08:48 PM »
How would you encourage good Metal bands to not tour with shitty bands?

Explain more of what you mean with all this.

By directing them towards quality independent Metal bands, most of whom I can't think of because there is such a deluge of shitty Metal right now.

To answer your second question, I like to balance out the allele frequencies in Metal culture right now, as the shitty Metal bands gobble up too much resources and pump out too much crappy music.

I'd also like to point out that the aforementioned labels got their names initially selling music from quality Metal bands and are therefore more liable for their endorsement of shitty metal.

For worthy targets of trolling, visit Relapse Records and other hipster Metal labels' rosters. Also, I disagree with Sepulchral Voice in that trolling metalcore bands is not a lost cause. Many of the members of those bands are emtionally and mentally insecure individuals and thus especially prone to trolling.

Metal / Re: Montaigne and Death Metal
« on: September 30, 2009, 03:12:26 PM »
1) To stare into the abyss and understand the meaning, purpose, and function of death and its related elements, as well to understand their places in the World-Nature. Having a healthy understanding of these elements increases the quality of ones life and makes one more enlightened. One can either live life in fear of the inevitable final blow of death, or live life with a healthy view of it and be in line with the World-Nature.

2) Listening to quality Metal enlightens, liberates me, and affirms my belief in a truth beyond the dualism of modern science and religion. It also reconnects me with ancient values, including those of my ancestors.

Metal / We declare a war on shitty Metal
« on: September 30, 2009, 03:06:31 PM »
Modern Metal is faced with a problem of dysgenics, right now: way too many piss-poor Metal bands selling records and not enough recognition for the true leaders of our era (Averse Sefira, Antaeus, Summoning, and Graveland to name the few). Here are some possible strategies:

- encourage good Metal bands to not tour with shitty bands - it's all to common to see crap Metal and Metalcore bands on the same bills as good ones, these days
- lay the pressure on the bigger Metal labels (Nuclear Blast, Century Media, Earache)
- support quality Metal bands
- make your opinions known at concerts with mixed bills
- troll the shit of crappy Metal bands and their supporters

Interzone / Re: Activities for Hessians
« on: September 24, 2009, 07:10:06 PM »
Here's a few more:

- body-build
- learn how to cook
- make a good name for Hessians at unis and community colleges
- organize an international conferance for Hessians
- research geneology and ancestry
- turn more intelligent people on to corrupt, Linkola, and Kaczynski
- make hippies more war-like and militant, and less passive and "peaceful"
- create more lieberstraum for Hessians
- play competing metalhead teams in soccer or rugby
- make fun of shitty bands
- push for Green Party victory in 2012!

Metal / Re: Black Metal from Finland
« on: September 24, 2009, 07:05:33 PM »
"Ugra Karma" is absolutely killer! I rarely hear it discussed here, but it's one of my all-time favourite Black Metal, despite its relative simplicity. One of the rare Metal albums that really ventures off into Eastern realms of mythology. I would also recommend "Tol Cormpt Norz Norz Norz", most of whose best songs ("Ave Satanas!", "Condemned to Hell", "Morbid Fate") can be heard on the fine "Decade of Decadence" compilation.

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