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Metal / Re: Bands worth hearing thread
« on: June 30, 2008, 03:49:31 AM »
Do any of these not suck ass?

AGRESSOR - The Merciless Onslaught
CIANIDE - Hell's Rebirth (CD)
DESULTORY - From Beyond The Visions Of Death (Demo CD w/ Bonus Tracks)
EYES OF LIGEIA - A Fever Which Would Cling To Thee Forever (CD)
FORNICATION - Descendants of the Degenarated Race (CD)
HEPTAMERON - Grand Master Of The Final Harvest (CD)
HORRID - Rising From The Hidden Spheres (CD)
LIK - Likamen Illusionen Kallet (CD)
MEGASLAUGHTER - Calls From The Beyond 1991 (CD)
TENEBROUS - Arias Toward The Black Sun (CD)
THOTH  - From The Abyss Of Dungeons Of Darkness (CD)
VILE - Depopulate (CD)
WITCHFINDER GENERAL - Buried Amongst The Ruins (CD)
Mithras' "Behind the Shadows Lie Madness."

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Metal / Immolation / consistency
« on: March 10, 2008, 04:57:12 PM »
After trying for the ten thousandth time to like Immolation because by all intelligent measures I should, I gave up yesterday. I like individual songs. The albums as a whole are like a distracted child, occasionally brilliant but too often petulant or prosaic, hammering out variations on known themes. The old accusation "but all their songs sound the same" isn't true, but it's true that many are very similar. There's a lack of a certain kind of consistency here. The best albums have this consistency: vision, aesthetic, music and lyrics united, and the concept is both critical and creative, wielding its destruction for higher powers. I don't find much of that here, and it makes it hard to want to pierce the surface tension of these albums when I know that inside is mixed in the attention put into it.

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Interzone / Re: Listen to less
« on: December 01, 2007, 03:00:56 PM »
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Come now, here you are with a whole handle on your own forum dedicated exclusively to 'ego drama.'  You know the old saw, the one about the pot and the kettle?  Well, that one.


I think you may have misrecognized my role. I'm here to inject some ideas, and remain comfortably anonymous so people judge the ideas and not the person.

Ego drama to me means making a big deal of how right you are as a person, and how dumb everyone else is, without a goal.

"I" have a goal. Everything I do here is to achieve that goal, because I love life, and I think my species is fucking it up, so I want to correct that because then we can move on with beautiful life.

Right now everything in our modern world is ugly, failed, tedious, slavish, illogical, disgusting and heading toward collapse into a grey third world corporate state. I want to reverse this.

Anything I have, including this persona, is dedicated to that, and whoever "I" am remains anonymous, because it's totally irrelevant. What matters is the goal. Everything else is chatter.

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Interzone / Re: Paganism, Nazism, Satanism
« on: December 01, 2007, 02:57:33 PM »
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I agree, and this time not only Germany will collapse.


All industrialized nations are headed for collapse anyway.

It's important to separate National Socialism, as an idea, from the way it was implemented and from the war.

I don't see a better system out there, but National Socialism itself is just a modern re-statement of how the Romans and Greeks lived. I don't think Hitler invented it or should be given credit for doing more than popularizing it, and making it succeed initially.

We should stop calling it Nazism, and call it "common sense." Multiculturalism doesn't work. Raw capitalism and raw socialism are failures. We need a goal of the organic state.

In the same way, we should stop calling it Paganism. Paganism means we worship life itself, and the process of nature, not some god created outside of the world by some guy wearing sandals.

And what is Satanism, or the modern occult, but a restatement of these Hindu/Pagan principles?

We need to move forward and reconstruct. All of society as it is now is dying.

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Metal / Re: Folk "metal" without the rock
« on: December 01, 2007, 12:21:11 PM »
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Burzum's third album - the one ever present in "top 10 black metal albums ever" lists - uses a rock beat, rock drumming and casual rock-style guitar strumming throughout almost the entire album. No one has any qualms about this. Why then is rock in 'folk metal' a problem?


First, you assume that rock invented anything. Rock and blues and jazz invented nothing. They are styles.

Next, you forget that half the album is ambient, and while it does have its metal aspects, these do not terminate in a rock-like feeling; they are used as a gateway to something else.

Other bands simply drop into the rock and roll and make a clumsy hybrid and call it a day.

Later Graveland is, as one poster pointed out, uneven. I'm finding the newer stuff to be much improved over "Awakening," which has a rock rhythmic sensibility through its guitar work and doesn't, like Burzum, channel it elsewhere. It's a Lord Wind album adapted to Motley Crue.

Newer Graveland is much improved. The two Lord Wind albums may be his post-"Following the Voice of Blood" peak.

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Metal / Re: Metal is 100% derived from classical
« on: December 01, 2007, 12:18:18 PM »
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Classifying all computer games - which combine elements of cinema, music and literature - as 'entertainment' is just as ignorant as saying that all music is mere entertainment


No, it's not. Music is for contemplation; video games are feedback loops to keep people playing. Comparing to the two is ignorant and destructive, since you're taking "art" to mean "anything which requires aesthetic skill," which includes the following other arts:

# Interior decorating
# Pornography
# Skateboard design
# Hemorrhoid sculpting

The modern tendency to call anything requiring a modicum of skill "art" is an insult to art. Art is a process; decoration is another process. If anything, you are trying to measure art categorically by the skills involved, forgetting that art is a skill unto itself.

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Interzone / Re: Paganism, Nazism, Satanism
« on: November 30, 2007, 10:43:46 AM »
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Sounds to me like a description of the modern society. Too many useless morons.. Where's natural selection when you need it?


All societies die the same way. There's different flavors.

We could bring natural selection back. Ban welfare and deport career criminals. That would eliminate up to a quarter of the population.

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Interzone / Re: IQ
« on: November 30, 2007, 10:42:11 AM »
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You can extend that by saying those who are involved in imagining, prototyping and building the future will own it. Everyone else is just railing against the side effects of past designs, which is usually not as beneficial as creating the future.


This is true. All but a few will whine, because passive behavior is easier than active behavior, and feels better. Commanding from the couch(tm) makes them feel like kings.

Which leads us back to the IQ question: If all people under 120 IQ points died today, would life be better or worse?

The answer is that only a few people here seriously considered the question.

The rest of you didn't want to face it, and you invented lots of lies about how it's necessary to have people cleaning toilets or how immoral it was.

The real reason?

You like having people under you. It makes you feel as if your own status is that much more important. You like having someone to make fun of because they're proof that you're smarter, sexier, hipper, etc.

The unexamined life is not worth living...

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Interzone / Re: Paganism, Nazism, Satanism
« on: November 30, 2007, 03:21:45 AM »
The Mayans got destroyed from within because too many stupid lazy people outbred the original population, who came from Siberia.

This says a lot:

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Western society is not set up to nurture intelligent children and adults, the way it dotes over athletes and sports figures, especially the outstanding ones. While we have the odd notable personality such as Albert Einstein, we also have many extremely intelligent people working in occupations that are considered among the lowliest, as may be attested by a review of the membership lists of Mensa (the club for the top two percent on intelligence scales).
 
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8778/Why-Intelligent-People-Tend-To-Be-Unhappy


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Metal / Re: Metal is 100% derived from classical
« on: November 30, 2007, 03:19:47 AM »
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If you can't see that 1% in video games music, what the fuck are you doing on a metal site either if it's the same history ?


Metal music is not yet devoted to a masturbatory hobby. Video games are a hobby. They entertain but are non-productive.

If you want to talk about video game music, start a thread so that other couch-sitters can enjoy talking about how much they jerk off with their joysticks instead of doing something important.

We could also have a "Best Music for Poo Sex" thread.

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Metal / Re: Are Gorgoroth immensely under-appreciated?
« on: November 30, 2007, 03:17:46 AM »
If Gorgoroth had all perished in a car wreck after the second album, they'd be hailed as geniuses to this day.

Musicians, don't make your bands your careers.

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Metal / Re: Two Genres of Metal
« on: November 30, 2007, 03:16:35 AM »
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The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and a far cry from the "underclass" humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6057734.stm


Metal, too.

Underclass: metalcore, nu-metal, Cannibal Corpse, CD-R bands
Upperclass: the classics and anyone who tries to meet that level of art head-on


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Metal / Re: Canonical Metal Collection
« on: November 30, 2007, 03:14:49 AM »
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Music/aesthetic interpretation and an understanding of hierarchy are both integral to having a practical understanding of reality.


I agree in theory, but at some point, we're going to be dividing up the flight of Zeno's arrow into inconsequential distances.

http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/ZenoArrow.html

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Metal / Re: Where did Metal leave off?
« on: November 30, 2007, 03:12:35 AM »
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It would be like in ancient times playing war songs at a festive banquet.


Most of the great epic poems were war songs.

Like metal, they also included other emotions. Is "Pure Holocaust" entirely about war? It is warlike, but not limited in that way.

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Interzone / Re: IQ
« on: November 30, 2007, 03:11:13 AM »
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If we critic society, we must critic ourselves first.


I would phrase that this way instead: if we are gonna criticize society, we have to know what we would prefer instead or we get more of the same.

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