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Metal / Re: Social impact of heavy metal
« on: August 17, 2010, 10:23:08 PM »
Its kind of interesting to note that bands like Black Sabbath were a type of de-institutionalized music in contrast to the classical or ceremonial/religious music that's always had a place in schools/universities or churches.  I don't think you could necessarily call them pop music, but, if you note the type of media attention Black Sabbath gained when they came out, it really hasn't changed much when compared with the way the mass media of today fixates on extreme metal. 

Its almost like metal and other unorthodox types of music are treated as simply "dissident" by the mass media.  Of course, since the retarded fucking public relies so deeply on the media for answers to problems concerning their children and so forth, its not surprising to see so many people lumping metal or hardcore in with hippie-culture, simply because it shares a similarly unfounded origin.....at least, to the prevailing majority of obstinate low-lives denouncing it in accordance with their own musical doctrine. 

People still want to focus on all the wrong aspects of music simply because they themselves don't consider metal to be actual music.  To them, actual music is what they read in textbooks or in music appreciation class.  Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised to see most of the flock believing that music originated with Gregorian chants and so forth.  That's utter bullshit. 

Of course, the saddest part about it is that metal musicians and so on have begun to appease them and play into all the stereotypes that were present even back in the 70's when it came to the question of "metalheads."  If you've ever been brave enough to attempt to illustrate the connection between styles like black and death metal with classical music, you're probably well aware of this lame and impotent belief that most people have concerning heavier music, namely that its a childish fad. 

As far as I'm concerned, media/society's view is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to music, but when it comes to institutions like universities or churches, their views toward a specific brand of music seem to press further into peoples' minds simply because they have a moral high-ground when it comes to the general public.  If universities began to support extreme metal, for instance, I think you'd find more of those "metal = genius" articles from before, like it was suddenly some gigantic revelation that the music itself isn't necessarily "bad." 

"I mean, lets forget about all the reasonable and decent people that enjoy it in their private lives."

Interzone / Re: Facebook for metal?
« on: August 15, 2010, 01:58:20 PM »
Facebook is almost like a giant advertising storehouse.  If you put down any interests or activities, email or usn, you're basically screwed and will often be targeted as you continue to use the service.  If you put down "metal" as your interests, you'll see sidebar advertisements asking you to like the new Nile album or something stupid like that.  On top of that, if you do a search for your name on google or something, after you've officially "liked" doom metal, you'll find your name and status updates on a separate, special interest page for doom metal.  It makes ad targeting much easier. 

...then again, that's also an opportunity for smaller/ideologically based groups to reach people.  I'm kind of of torn on it, honestly.  After all, people mostly use facebook to contact old high school class mates (the most mastubatory thing ever) or get in touch with friends at a distance.  I'm not sure if what happened to myspace (crashing your internet browser with excessive ads and user stupidity) will happen to facebook, but they definitely have their paws all over everyone's interests....strange as that is.

Metal / Re: Evil
« on: August 15, 2010, 01:45:36 PM »
I say do it!

Recording equipment is pretty easy to come by these days, but I guess its just hard to remove all the digital gloss that seems to accompany every piece of equipment out there.  Vintage equipment is good for that, but if I were doing something like Ildjarn, I'd stick with a four track recorder, but try to get it as clear as possible.  Its hard, but worth it.

Metal / Re: youthful ambiguity (names/labels)
« on: August 14, 2010, 08:00:30 PM »
Nowadays, people have a set of rules.

Which is why you have to wade through 99% of new music to find a likable album.  I'm seventeen, so I don't remember the old days (I didn't get into death metal until I was 13-14, and I live in bible-belt Georgia, US so that's pretty good), but I don't have many newish albums on my mp3 player as compared to old albums.  And even then, some-many of those newish albums are from bands who've been playing for a long while (like Immolation).  I've always hated "genres", it's only useful for categorizing sections in a CD store in my opinion.

I'm right above you in TN.  As a side note, have you heard any of the bands from Georgia's Deathgasm label?  I've always thought highly of Avulsion and some of the guys who came through here on tour were really cool, namely the band Quintessentia, even though I wasn't really blown away by what they were doing musically.  Their singer is also in Blood Stained Dusk, but I can't say I'm a fan of them either. 

Honestly, it doesn't matter how underground a band is.  I went up to Chicago earlier this year and found this store called "Metal Haven," which was basically like a standing version of these internet distros that carry obscure titles, but having only a fleeting knowledge of what all those bands cd's sounded like (due to previous samples i'd heard off the internet) and affiliation with sub-genres (there were bands like Gotyna Kry, Graveland, and similar ones), I didn't really feel that sort of excitement that I imagine a lot of people might upon entering the store.  Of course, I thought "this is more like it," but the only thing I really felt was this insane obligation to buy something....take a chance with my dollar, support underground music, or whatever it was.  The strange thing was that, even at Metal Haven, I felt like I was being drawn in by album covers, affiliation, and all these totally irrelevant things and duped into being excessive just for the sake of reaffirming some lame idea of my personal involvement in the "scene," even though the only thing I've really done has been to attend a show.

How sad would it be to find that there's a large number of individuals who only feel a connection to something by consuming it in whatever form it appears to them?

Metal / youthful ambiguity (names/labels)
« on: August 14, 2010, 02:27:58 AM »
Hope everyone is doing well.

Some people like to plan everything out before they begin something, whereas others begin with intuition and learn about boundaries as they go along.  I've been a fan of bands like Suffocation, Atheist, Napalm Death, early Enthroned, Summoning, and many others for a fair amount of time. 

Of course, when you're initially getting into a new type of thing or what have you, there's a tendency to immediately seek out the most significant bands, attitudes, and people.  That is, only if you're serious.  I think that the majority of the people who listen to extreme bands have a similar story regarding their initial understanding of the music or "what they called it."  In other words, some of you probably heard a handful of extreme bands a long time ago, loved them, but only later found out that they were "death metal" bands.  Maybe it was "grind" or "hardcore."  There's a good chance you called it something that was entirely wrong according to the majority or the more experienced members of the community.

I used to call all this music "hardcore," because that was the most concise definition a 17 year old could come up with.  I was thinking about this recently and, although I initially chuckled at my own previous obliviousness, I had to really ask myself what function the divisions between the genre's (specifically hardcore, grindcore, black metal, and death metal) really served when it came to my musical endeavors like trying to write good music in this same vein. 

Obviously, when you're just discovering that there's an entirely new dimension of music out there, you want to shoot for the top and learn as much as possible.  You have to.  Its only natural.  That's why I praise this site a lot and don't want this post to seem cynical in the end.  Its basically what separates the serious from the flaky:  this desire to dig deeper into the art and really grasp it.  Then, you can play a role in it, I suppose, but the problem really begins there.  We all know what real death and black metal sounds like; that much is clear to people who surf this site due to the very nature of the content here.  It goes beyond the surface. 

Obviously, this isn't everyone's experience, so i have to ask....what about those who learn about the name "death metal" or "black metal" before they actually have any interaction with the music/ideas and then afterward dub themselves fans?  I can see this sort of thing happening a lot now because of the widespread use of the internet and the various wars of terms that occur on forums.  As I said before, I used to call all of it "hardcore," but I didn't learn about the division between hardcore and metal until I heard one of the members of a rather energetic local band chastise his lead guitarist for playing "metal." (he was playing Ride the lightning in between their songs during the set). 

I don't regret learning about different styles, but I'm beginning to really wonder if these divisions in genres are making musicians lazy and pompous these days.

Metal / Re: Under the Sign of Hell
« on: October 10, 2008, 05:56:17 PM »
I agree with the above statement. 
The song Gorgoroth on the Antichrist album is probably the most evocative song by them.

Metal / Re: Bands worth hearing thread
« on: October 10, 2008, 04:16:50 PM »
Nunslaughter - Hex

(realease date:  2007)
Definitely worth hearing.  Old school death metal - plain and simple.  Musically and aesthetically balanced to a tee.  As far as the music is concerned, it makes absolutely no attempt to dimminish its hardcore roots, even as the lyrical themes tend to be an exagerrated display of what Florida and New York death metal had a tendency to sublimate with a very cryptic use of language/melody/song structure.  On Hex, Nunslaughter seem to have incorporated some of the more tasteful aspects of Florida death metal, but I would describe the themes behind these songs as completely absurdist in the face of changing views within and outside metal music.  One gets the impression of hatred for hatred's sake, but the no-frills death metal delivery makes this album stand out for its simple intensity and total disregard for the competition, if it even considers it to begin with..

Metal / Re: purists
« on: October 09, 2008, 07:51:47 PM »
Their tehniques are inferior to those of black and death, but I can certainly see potential in newer sludge bands to create musical landscapes. The problem is their lack of direction (or because of indie/Seattle parts going in wrong direction), they are still unfocused ("let's fuckin' JAM, and we'll see") and with populist ideology. Because of that they're still not "heavy" enough.

I don't know if i'd consider this "let's fuckin jam" mentality as such a band thing.  Metal bands seem to usually fail when they spend so much time sitting down and writing instead of feeling it out.  I guess there has to be a balance of the two methods, but i guess i see what you mean about the sludge bands since their material isnt really structured, except to maybe let everyone know how drunk or high they were when they wrote the song.

I tend to think that a lot of the good earlier bands in extreme metal did the whole "jam" thing quite often. 

Metal / Re: purists
« on: October 09, 2008, 02:37:15 AM »
Personally i let no single thing run my life, so i am probably less rigid than most here. Personally i found the first 1:36 of Dimmu Borgirs "Serpentine Offering" high quality music, although the rest of the song is disastrous, and the band is generally needless, i would say they'e quite intelligent as individuals and promote their "War On Christianity". Although i despise metalcore, I could listen to some Meshuggah due to the appreciation of the bizzare time signitures which freak me out.

 Aesthetic communicates to listeners through experience, thats how MTV targets listeners. Give me something like Bleed, and although i completely recognize it is bullshit music, the resilience of the guitar riffs, awkward yet controlled drumming and one syllabul vocals create a focused, agressive atmosphere i admire.

So what is art? Most of us would like to create so much in our minds, to make ourselves feel naturally more important, whether its through philosophy or music. Do Hessians still listen to Metal when in love?

I havent bothered too much with all those bands.  I've heard a few, but im not interested in them.  I've been listening to a lot of the european crustcore bands like Autoritar, Festa Desperato, Krigshot, etc. since they seem to be the only ones playing something true to form.  Of course, i havent given up on older material, but i'll be damned if i buy the latest Suffocation, Deicide, or Morbid Angel album - unless of course they realize how shitty their last few offerrings have been and actually do some interesting for a change.

Metal / Re: purists
« on: October 07, 2008, 04:06:49 PM »
Extreme metal is the worst offender because it's not even enjoyable any more, and i'm not going to keep listening to something that I consider 'good' if it's not enjoyable. There used to be a playfulness in the music, whereas now playing it appears seems to be a chore for the band. These traditional metal rehashes and core bands cropping up are awful but at least they're spontaneous, whereas death and black now sound forced. Perhaps this is the result of backing an ideology without genuine fascination about music, and not just in listening to it, but in creating interesting relationships between sounds and rhythms.

Thats such an excellent point you made.  I noticed this same problem among individuals in my local "scene."  These musicians around here claim to listen and love extreme metal, but wont even sit through an entire album anymore, much less create something that reflects a love for the music.  Its obviously a chore to these guys.  Epoch of the Unlight/Incineration are two examples of bands from my city that simply play metal for nostalgic/egotistical reasons.  Its not a terrible thing to admit that it doesnt work for you anymore, but i'm guessing that a lot of these people fear branching out or having to abandon something that helped them make sense out of the world during their late teens/early twenties.  It really does sound forced, if you compare the material nowadays with what was going on in the early/mid nineties.  Its interesting that you mentioned that it might be the result of backing an ideology without a genuine interest in the music, especially since you see this sort of thing in other facets of peoples' social lives( i.e. anti-fascists who purposely engage in forced interaction with minorities, conservatives who force reasons for still liking Bush after being affected by his awful presidency, dysfunctional relationships where a person will force his/herself to love their incompatible significant other, etc. ).  It seems to be same case with the shitty metal of today, when you really think about it.

Metal / purists
« on: October 05, 2008, 11:40:56 PM »
(If this has been brought up before, i apologize.)

The main question i want to ask is this:  Is metal really stagnant or have fans of quality metal simply refused to change their own personal notions of quality in order to accomodate a completely new approach to music? 

Do you think its possible that something much better could be occurring right under our noses and we just fail to see it due to our own rigidity? 

...and if so, could you ever see it replacing your favorite genre/band/artist and completely rearranging your ideas on what good art/music really is? 

Interzone / Re: metal is fun, so is reading
« on: February 16, 2008, 09:14:19 PM »
awesome!  a/s/l?!

Metal / Re: Ideologies and music
« on: February 14, 2008, 03:57:01 PM »
(Your English is really good, actually)

I've noticed this same tendency and i'm glad someone brought it up as it seems to be a huge factor in the whole "sellout process," if you will.  

One thing that i'm sure a lot of psychologists would love to point to is the idea that a lot of these bands go downhill once puberty ends for the members, but then again, that doesn't really explain why a few great bands still remain.  All joking aside, I always thought it was a problem where bands realize that they can't force their ideas out anymore because they've simply stopped believing in them.  Who might actually believe nowdays that Glenn Benton is a real satanist as opposed to in the early 90's when people were having serious discussions about the influence of Deicide's music upon children.  Now, he's a washed up joke.  The only difference with him is that he hasn't gone the route that bands like Darkthrone and Impaled Nazarene went with their sociopolitical awakenings or whatever.  At the same time, though, if you have any respect for older hardcore or thrash, the whole idea of that sort of music was to give a simple, clear-cut message.  I personally love the older bands, but i agree that most of the anarcho-punk, crustcore is a completely over-done method of expression.  

We have to ask ourselves why metal became as complicated as it did once hardcore and thrash died.  Completely ruling out grindcore, it seems to me that this reason is mainly due to the complete individuality of death or black metal that made it much more abstract and less communicative with the larger masses in society.  I think we can agree that any moron could flip on a DRI album and get the message fairly quick, which is a quality most mainstream listeners want in their music.  After all, its usually a simple one.  Those old death and black metal were more concerned with turning away the stupid and gaining the interest of the worthy, in a tribal sense, i guess.  Their message was more complex and the delivery reflects it perfectly.  On top of all that, it was a true threat, especially when a few more people grew to understand it and a period of growth resulted in the overall scene.  Of course, we all know what happened after that once the genres died, but my point is that there was always that underlying message "Get in, or get out."  

"With us, or against us."  

It seems like bands turn political when they finally lose interest in the "scene" and become desperate for attention from more people.  Thats just my opinion, though.

Interzone / Re: Success with $1.27 of CD-Rs
« on: February 12, 2008, 01:21:02 PM »
The problem with the internet is that the user controls the content.  If t.v. werent a christianized medium, than i wouldnt see a problem with more (real) extreme metal on the air; radio seems to be a little more feasible in my opinion.  I wouldnt mind taking over my local college station and invading a few frat houses with blasphemous noise.  Still, this idea of handing out cd's is excellent, to me.  With handing out these albums, you have the ability to make some appeal with the cover art, lyrics, liner comments, whatever..  

Even the biggest bozos in this society recognize the seriousness of a person who takes the pains to create such a compilation and especially the seriousness of the act of handing them out to your fellow man.

Interzone / Re: Eurasians in Metal
« on: February 02, 2008, 12:24:03 PM »
How does a person's racial/ethnic background have nothing to do with the music? A lot of the thought processes and sensibilites that go into making music are directed by the musician's culture.

It's like saying Varg's Norweigan heritage had nothing to do with his music.

Well, thats not a bad question, but racial background doesnt always correspond entirely to a person's culture.  We have to ask whether, ON AVERAGE, your white South/Central American is more representative of that particular culture than a mixed or black South/Central American.  I admit that i often avoid this sort of discussion because its just too speculative.  Now, i totally agree that the person's CULTURE is a factor.  I personally don't think that Morbid Angel could have come out of any place other than the US and Burzum out of Norway.  I think metal as a whole relied on the industrialized nations within which it was spawned, so this was basically a cultural prerequisite for it, otherwise it would have been in a radically different form (much less abrasive, i think).  Or maybe it just would have sounded like some new wave type of folk music...  

I guess, if you're going to say that metal is an Indo-European artform, you might believe that it was the Indo-European culture that brought it into existence, so it stands to reason that people who are of so-called Aryan stock are the real creators, whereas everyone else is simply a follower or just a racially misplaced person (ex: black metal guitarist in America) who is capable enough to understand and further the music.  

...but its stupid to say that you need white skin to create good metal.  To me, if metal was exactly as it was, but totally rooted in the Semetic culture, i'd still be a fanatic.  Rest assured that most of the people who hate good bands simply because there is a foreign member in the group are normally the superficial listeners who simply consume the aesthetic, but have absolutely no clue what's really being communicated.  These are the types of listeners (if you want to call them that) that only buy music from talentless Nazi bands that excessively use the N word to give their lack of delivery a touch of power.

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