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Metal / Re: Absu - Absu (2009)
« on: February 03, 2009, 04:22:57 PM »
After the first listen I'm unimpressed. I find Tara enjoyable so figured I'd find something good in this. Hmmmm, I'll try again later.

Interzone / Re: A return to 1815 is the way forward for Europe
« on: February 03, 2009, 03:39:59 PM »
Let's be realistic. Once major "progress" is made in society, particularly in terms of technology, it's next to impossible to go back. When agriculture came and spread around the Middle East and Europe originally, NO ONE ever went back to hunting and gathering. A "return" to 1815 is absurd in every sense.

And so by the same reasoning a return to a form of economy that isn't based upon excessive credit must also be absurd in every sense. How about no?

Interzone / Re: A return to 1815 is the way forward for Europe
« on: January 24, 2009, 07:13:34 AM »
I think people are either misreading the article or reading too much into it, the way I read it I got the feeling that it's against nationalism rather than for it, implying we should just set aside our cultural differences and somehow get along through strong political pressure. It acknowledges that ethnic turbulence is a fact of life, ok, but how is "the way forward" going back to the multi-national empires of 1815, like the of the Hapsburgs which put Austrians, Croats, Czechs, Slovaks, Bosnians, Hungarians, Romanians and others under one flag (or yoke)? Isn't this what started WWI in the first place?

The nationalism part was to grab your attention and provide a point of contention from the outset. He raises the issue but doesn't develop it much further. Now that the author has your attention he wants to point out something more important; at the simplest level of this article he presents the following dichotomy: Do we maintain Western ideals in their current form, which will ultimately lead to annihilation, or do we modify our ideals in order to stay alive and remain powerful/influential?

He might not like/agree with/support nationalism but he realises that countries that are nationalistic simply won't conform to the rules of Western society. Non-conforming nationalistic countries are not a problem for the modern west if said countries are weak in comparison. In a world where power is moving from west to east, the author is saying that we (the Western world) will no longer be able to write the global rulebook. And further suggests that we have deluded ourself for too long, hence he is suggesting something it is more realistic: let's divide the map into areas of influence and power (this is not a simple overnight task). In order to do that the West has to realise that it cannot spread its ideals to wherever it likes and to make matters worse he suggests that our ideals (not just our method of implementation) are not realistic for the current situation. Perhaps he would prefer a non-pacificistic form of democracy? Hard to tell exactly.

"let's divide the map into areas of influence and power"  - I don't mean literally but rather that one side doesn't overstep its boundaries of control.

Interzone / A return to 1815 is the way forward for Europe
« on: January 23, 2009, 01:16:25 PM »

"You can have all the rules you like to discipline international behaviour; but they are not worth the paper they are written on if they run against fierce nationalisms and ethnic passion.

Ethnic and nationalist rivalry is as old as sin, and as inextinguishable.

"Most important of all, Russia and the West need to draw up rules of the road for the 21st century. Mr Miliband and others have condemned the notion of returning to the geopolitics of the Congress of Vienna which, in 1815 after the Napoleonic Wars, divided Europe into spheres of influence between empires and nations. They perhaps forget that what was agreed at Vienna held at bay for almost a century a general European war.

This may sound shocking and anachronistic to the modern sensibility. But, there is no other way to remove the scope for miscalculation, the mother of far too many wars.

Sir Christopher Meyer was Ambassador to Washington, 1997-2003"

[The time is perhaps the most reputable newspaper in the UK, I wouldn't say it had a neutral point of view in general but this article ought to be of interest to everyone here.]

Metal / Re: Insane black metal fan carves up daycare center
« on: January 23, 2009, 01:14:18 PM »
Maybe he is a kiss fan. However, I found a linked article that is more interesting:


Interzone / Re: Is trolling effective?
« on: January 23, 2009, 01:05:18 PM »
2. A question can be your most powerful rhetorical tool: use it.  When you ask questions, you force the delusional to defend their arguments rationally, a state of affairs which will result either in failure or evasion, both of which work to your advantage.


When you ask questions it is easy to fall into the ad hominem trap plus you are being lazy about constructing your own argument. I sincerely dislike the use of rhetorical questions in debate, I see it far too often as a pseudo-intellectual tool on many metal forums. How would you feel if I threw lots of questions at you??!!!?!11

Interzone / Re: How to get ANUS publically accepted
« on: January 20, 2009, 04:23:34 PM »
Why do you want ANUS to be publicly accepted?

I doubt the public will agree with the ANUS point of view but currently the masses don't respect the coherency of the viewpoints expressed. Perhaps the notion of public acceptance is one of fame and the acceptance of existence. Currently the website is still on the brink of being underground and being well-known world wide.

Interzone / Re: Dark Legions Archive: The Book
« on: January 20, 2009, 03:58:40 PM »
The core of it is the metal history, which then dovetails into metal philosophy, and then lists the top echelon of metal releases by year.

I agree with all but one word: "dovetails". Metal and metal subculture is a social phenomenon. What you call 'metal philosophy' IS the climax of this book, and it's the only thing that disconnects it from pop culture / teenage rebellion and connects it to the wider world of art, literature and philosophy. Metalheads aren't always sure what they're trying to say, but they've intuitively struck the heart of the most vital social criticism of modern times. Metal is not an intellectual response but an emotional response to a culture that is failing.

Metal philosophy is the climax of the DLA website so it would make sense to place a lot of emphasis upon it in the book. I'll also add to your last comment by saying that: intellect gave the emotional response a unique shape that is apparent in great metal.

Thesis: metal subculture is distinct from pop-culture. Pop culture reinforces the status-quo; metal subculture deconstructs it. Then steps on it, burns it, buries it, pisses on the grave and masturbates over the ashes. Do metalheads have something better in mind for the world? Not really; but death is better than submission. Where metal has "gone wrong" is not where it's gone too far, but where it hasn't gone far enough - abandoning the intuitive sense that "something's wrong and it's pissing me off" and turning with its dick between its legs to embrace pop-culture. In other words, "selling out". The fame and the paycheck are just too irresistable. All you have to do is contract AIDS!

The idea of having a thesis title is good but I'd be inclined to move away from the using the word 'culture', given that it connotes a 'scene' and 'trends'. Instead I'd substitute 'culture' for 'philosophy' or the notion of ideals. For example:
Thesis: The inherent ideals of metal are distinct from pop-culture. Pop culture and ideals reinforce the status-quo; while metal deconstructs it.

Infact, I think there is a fair argument in favour of BM not only deconstructing pop culture but also suggesting how we can replace it with something better. DM is more about deconstruction without a later reconstruction of something positive (imo).

So you have History, Philosophy, and then wrap it up with where metal has gone (musically, artistically, intellectually) - Ulver, Manes, Godkiller come to mind [there are probably other broader examples] and what happens to metal heads when they "grow up". You have your list of releases as an appendix, each with a good concise summary. Bands that aren't worthwhile are best NOT MENTIONED. The point is not to try and make a comparative study, but just to express the hit-and-miss genius of metal - to explain in more words what is meant by "Fuck Christ" and "LOL AIDS LOL".

At least, that's what I would do if _I_ were writing the book. You either need a strong thesis, or you need to package it with a free CD sampler and a couple of fold-out posters.

Where metal has gone would already be covered in History and Philosophy, imo. Eg: What was metal a reaction to? Where did metal go once it started and why? Can talk about the changes in ideas from era to era, eg the early 90s BM being a reaction to late 80s DM.
But you gave me an idea that would make more sense for the structure of the book: history, philosophy, future. appendices. It makes sense to talk about where metal originated and why it did so but it would make a lot of sense to end on a positive and forward thinking note by talking about the future.

Interzone / Re: Dark Legions Archive: The Book
« on: January 20, 2009, 03:43:26 PM »
  it might be interesting to set aside a chapter on why much of "history" of metal to date is more myth than reality 

 Not sure about a whole chapter about metal myths but it is perhaps too early to say for definite.

Perhaps I wasn't really clear enough initially. I was speaking specifically to those myths and indeed mythological figures(or bands) who are generally credited with far more than they deserve. Or in other words, why ANUS is so critical of the generally accepted orthodoxy on Metal and its various shibboleths and messianic figures. But then, that would probabaly be covered elsewhere already(?). I guess I was envisioning an opportunity to formally explain exactly why many of us find the deification of clowns who do more harm to proper Metal than anything else, just because they've expired, been shot, or whatever, positively disgusting and completely antithetical to what we see Metal being all about!

Of course, there is plenty more mythology to smash than all that...

I think I misunderstood the first time, essentially I wouldn't suggest having a separate (discrete) chapter about myths but would prefer to work that information into the history and philosophy. Especially in light of what Onde said above, we don't want to spend too much time (if any?) talking about shitty bands even if only to give them a negative reputation. I think your point is valid but would it make sense to place a lot of emphasis on bands we dislike in such a work? Perhaps we should leave the undeification of false gods to the DLA website. The catch might be that if we are going to say that Emperor / Burzum are great then we should provide counter examples.

Interzone / Re: Dark Legions Archive: The Book
« on: January 16, 2009, 05:36:10 PM »
Contents: History, Philosophy. Then (perhaps) appendices: top 15  bands lists from the DLA, plus more?

Best of ideas:

analysis of the "bigger" bands, why they do not fit in with the DLA.  It needs to be explained in a manner which is critical  - another viewpoint, to be respected.

To appeal to the "everyday" metal fan, I would suggest advertising it as something which aims to help the world understand what metal is. One does not necessarily need to include the criticizing of bands in the book's description.   

The most important thing is to make it known that metal is not just some other form of rock music. another form of music entirely.

The bigger bands not fitting in, will tie in with philosophy mainly but also in history. eg Why are certain bands not important to BM? They aren't core to the BM ideals hence aren't an important part of BM history. Again, both history and philosophy will reinforce the idea of why it isn't rock music part 2.

The appeal part is about writing style, I'm sure we all agree that it should be understandable to a wide audience without killing meaing.

most critical element is the communication of a real/true metal history that doesn't go entirely over the heads of the targeted reader, yet also avoids the pedestrian simplicity common to many metal "histories." 

it might be interesting to set aside a chapter on why much of "history" of metal to date is more myth than reality 

Communication is key, just as I agreed with deadite. Not sure about a whole chapter about metal myths but it is perhaps too early to say for definite.

a very clearly defined goal must be put in the back or front cover.

Indeed, the cover art and text is crucial. It needs to lure all reader to actually read the book.

Metal / Re: HARPTALLICA interpret METALLICA tunes on harps across USA
« on: January 11, 2009, 07:49:31 AM »
The harp is one of my favourite instruments to listen to. I've listened to some songs from the above group, it is an interesting variation on well known tunes. They lack the punch of the originals but actually make the tunes sound relaxing/soothing. Also, they've chosen to cover the better songs (mostly. Enter Sandman is always crap).

Interzone / Re: Confirmed: Apple CEO dying of AIDS
« on: January 10, 2009, 09:05:56 AM »
I've seen way too many academics of science with apple laptops, if you go to a conference then expect 75+% of people to do presentations on a macbook. All of the compatibility problems that I've seen at conferences have come from mac users that forgot to bring the correct adaptor, or for some other reason the link just didn't work. That does not endear me to buy one. The presentations were quite flashy though, I almost thought I was watching a hollywood blockbuster.

Speaking of heavy usage, I known of no computer simulation that is done on a Mac. All simulations are done on computers operating Unix/Linux and maybe in small scale cases using Windows, architecture varies from pentium to duo-core to vector CPUs that companies like Sun produce. I suppose you could claim that the reason macs are not used is because they capture so little of the market but I'm less inclined to believe that.

Interzone / Re: Dark Legions Archive: The Book
« on: January 10, 2009, 08:57:36 AM »
Interviews could add creditability to what is said within the book.

Why do you say that? Interviews with famous bands will be a marketing gimmick, people may perceive the book to be better only because famous bands are included; however, the DLA name by itself should carry enough weight to make many metal fans curious enough to buy/read it. If we need marketing strategies then we can, potentially, send review copies to newspapers or popular metal websites. I think content by itself must be strong in order to stand the test of time but the first round of marketing should be done externally.

Interzone / Re: Dark Legions Archive Metal Film Project
« on: January 09, 2009, 08:21:20 PM »
The IT manager at my work recommended getting a computer with a solid-state hard drive, which has no moving parts and therefore can access data much faster than the standard ones.

Sure, it will be noticeably faster and then some; however, solid state technology is much more expensive. It would be nice but not necessary. Another argument for solid-state is that the hard drive should last longer, though I have no data (only intuition) to back that up. I believe most of the large storage ipods/mp3 players have conventional hard drives but large capacity solid state data storage is expensive. After a quick look on dabs.co.uk, I see that a 32GB solid-state drive is ~150. That is a few DVDs worth of data but alternatively you could buy a conventional 500GB for as cheap as ~40. I really don't think it is necessary but if you were doing serious video editing, perhaps as a job, then the more expensive device might be worth the price.

On the subject of video cameras:
It is possible to hire, and perhaps borrow for free, a video camera from a local library / school / university or from a local arts group. Companies and arts groups will likely hire the equipment, if you are a university student or library member then perhaps you can borrow one for free. Otherwise a cheap video camera, and external mic, would be a sound investment.

Metal / Re: Metal Muxtape
« on: January 09, 2009, 08:02:43 PM »
Admin, would you consider adding Esker - Sur Les Ailers Du Corbeau ?

Personally I think it is stronger than Socier Des Glaces.

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