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Metal / Re: What would a metal society look like?
« on: January 24, 2007, 12:42:48 PM »
Look, I was gonna say that the people on this forum (and I've been to many metal-forums) are probably the most intelligent, articulate and open-minded metalheads I've EVER encountered with good command of your language.  BUT, we must understand that the majority of metalheads ARE NOT like you guys.  EVEN the bands THEMSELVES, (the ones who create the music) most of them are bigoted, hateful jerks that wish for the end of the world.

How can you create a society, where the FIRST course of action would be, KILL!!!!!!RAPE!!!!!!! MAIM!!!!!!! DESTROY!!!!!!!! How?  

If you expel the morons, you'd be a society of like 12 people.  Slight exaggeration but you get the drift.

Metal / Re: Why is Music so Unique and Essential?
« on: January 24, 2007, 11:44:43 AM »
It goes to more than your mind.  Music goes to your arms, legs.  Goes in your spine, in your heart.  Makes your teeth clench, your eyebrows stretch or desend.  Metal is so wonderful 'cause it's extreme.  It's the only music(I know of) with double-kick bassdrum used in such ferosity and velocity.  That double-kick alone feels like it takes command of your heart-beat.  The snare resonates in your head letting you time a single head-bang to a specific snare hit.  THAT IS JUST THE DRUMS!!!!! The other instruments do a wonderfully different effect to each and every one of us, so I won't bother with them.  Metal is essential because it separates US from THEM AND separates YOU from ME, if you get my meaning.

Metal / Re: Metal as revolutionary
« on: January 24, 2007, 11:29:19 AM »
Back on topic...

Saying that art comes from suffering is redundant. All good things come from suffering and conquest.

The question is, as art, is metal revolutionary, counter-revolutionary or "other"?

OK.  I think it is more counter-revolutionary.  Like art, TRUE, justified revolution also comes from suffering and termoil.  However, most metal-heads suffer FOR NO REASON.  Simply out boredom of this chushy life and when people rebel for no cause, it IS counter-revolutionary.

(....awaiting arguement and ridicule)

Metal / Re: What would a metal society look like?
« on: January 24, 2007, 10:52:35 AM »
Who said that you said it'll never work.  Societies splitting needs to happen sometimes.  I'M saying it will NEVER WORK!!!!!  Period.  That's just me, and I'm pessimistic, considering ALL members of a metal society would be either:  insane, on drugs, overly emotional(too hateful, too depressed, etc), overly passionate, optionated, anti-establishment, anarchistic, sociopaths, misanthropists, etc, etc the list goes on.

You need the simple drones to make a successful society.  The drones need to be the ones who simply, like you put it "approve of something" to keep the "foundations" of the society to work.  What you also need is good leaders, like some of you said.  We know metal-heads.  Apart from the list on paragraph 1, most metallers are anti-hero.  Anti-leader.  

IT WILL NOT WORK!!!!  Or it might, IF you eliminate DRUGS from the society.  Period.  BUT, Ha ha ha ha.......I don't see that happening.

It's cool to entertain the thought though.

Metal / Re: Why is Music so Unique and Essential?
« on: January 24, 2007, 10:32:51 AM »

Are you a troll, or just retarded? The "HAIL SATAN's cab" suggests a moronic hipster.

Nah, my friend Alric is a Troll, we already figured that out.  Retarded?  I don't know.  Maybe.  "MUMMY!!! I'm I retardeded?"  Oh, that's right, she's not here.  Oh well.

And I'm not suggesting anything.  My friend Satan gets drunk all the time and he ALWAYS misses his cab when we call for one.  So literally, hail the cab.  Quick.  Before it drives off again.  Seriously.

Metal / Re: Bitchin' and moanin'
« on: January 23, 2007, 09:05:01 PM »
Yep.  I agree with Metalist.  Music should be to inspire your emotions, not your thoughts.  What ever mood your in, listen to the music that best suits your mood so that you may "float" within your "spirit".  When your sad or depressed, listen to melancholic stuff(doom metal, gloom metal etc).  When your pissed off, listen to fast, aggresive stuff (Thrash, Death metal, Grindcore,etc) AND SO ON..................  

Metal / Re: Why is Music so Unique and Essential?
« on: January 23, 2007, 08:36:40 PM »
No one was able to answer my question, anyone wanna give it another try?  (Not that I don't appreciate the replies though.)


That is why I think my question is important to answer your question.  Ok, I'll word it differently:

What can you IMAGINE the world (humans as a society, civilisation, as a whole) would be like IF music had never existed?

Why its so unique?  Well I'll simply ask you this:

Does a painting want to make you head-bang?

Does amazingly soul-capturing building structures make you want to swing your hips and dance?

Does music not make your very limbs react sub-consciously?

Metal / Re: What would a metal society look like?
« on: January 23, 2007, 03:02:03 PM »
but what happens when a person thinks the leaders actions aren't up to standard but the leader himself refuses this claim, what happens when the community is split in two or the leader does not resign when the majority of the populace are opposed to his rules

Ah ha!! You nailed it right on the bone.  Exactly.  I like that you say "when" and not "If", because if a metal society is established, THAT WILL HAPPEN.  Its nothing new when a whole splits(societies in general).  It has happened all the time.  BUT here's the thing: when it has happened in other societies, it has always been the case where the majority are drones (simple) and there is like 1 or 2 or maybe even 3 exceptionals(leader material).  The drones WILL follow 1 of the exceptionals and so will the other 2.  BUT each of the other 2 won't want to except following because they believe their way is better.  So eventually the drones will find the exceptionallity of one of the other 2 AND THEN SPLIT.

NOW, here is where a metal society is in BIG BIG TROUBLE.  MOST of the population of a metal society would be exceptional and only a few drones will exist.   There would be NO end to the constant fighting, bickering on how to establish a system that works.  NO END.  It'll be RIPPED apart. Not split in two.  LOOK!! It's happened already with the music itself.  The Metal genre is SO vast.

Metal / Re: Metal as revolutionary
« on: January 23, 2007, 02:36:39 PM »
Oh!! Ok. I see.  It's hard to know what people are really about when you can't see them or talk to them personally.

By the way, when I was saying "You" I really did mean in general.  Not directly.

But it does sound like you are, or went through a similar thing that I went through 2 years ago.  Maybe not.  Maybe you're just a good artist.  But you know what they say, including Dimmu Borgir, that, "All great art comes from suffering", a very tabooed thing to say but DAMMIT its so bloody true.

Metal / Re: Metal as revolutionary
« on: January 23, 2007, 01:26:02 PM »
By the way Martin Hitler King, see my quote?:

"Example? Try imagine being one of our ancient ancestors, basically apes. "

Look closely at the words "Example", "Try" and "Imagine"<----------Mostly IMAGINE.
You know........ Imagination - power and process of producing mental images and ideas.  

Cool.  I made my point.  Again.    

Metal / Re: Metal as revolutionary
« on: January 23, 2007, 01:14:00 PM »
Don't worry.  I know exactly what it's like to have had the god complex, and the Jesus complex, and the antichrist complex.  You know what it is - Insanity.  Yeah I would imagine most of these extreme metal guys would have it, and probably because of one simple reason - TOO MUCH F*@KING DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!  You are nothing.  He is nothing.  She is nothing.  I am nothing.  They are nothing.  The world is nothing. The whole damn universe is NOTHING.  GET OVER YOURSELVES!!

Look, this happens to people because they usually ARE special people (and I don't mean in the retarded way).  People who go through life wandering why they are so different. Wander why they feel things no one else appears to feel.  Why they feel like aliens among all the other human drones, and so on.

There is nothing wrong with people feeling special because that really means they are special.  But let me tell you this:  You might be special, but you are a special bit of NOTHING.  You are a shining, glowing particle of sand within a long beach.  A massive, bright star amongest ALL the other, millions of bright massive stars, within billions of ordinary stars in ONE galaxy.

Vlad probably believes, like I used to believe about myself, that when he dies, he'll become a god.  Can I tell you something?  He won't.  I won't.  You won't.  There is NOTHING when you die.  You'll forget who u r.  Forget what u r.  Loose your consciousness, memory, thoughts, emotions, EVERYTHING.  You'll become ONE with the nothiness.  Therefor, you'll become one with EVERYTHING.

Get it?

Metal / Re: (Uniquely) American Black Metal
« on: January 23, 2007, 01:40:03 AM »
I would be interested in Native American Metal, but I don't see it happening.

Hhmmmmmmm.......maybe it can happen.

You know what I'd enjoy seeing?  A Black black metal band.   That would be SO WEIRD!!!!!!! There are only a handful of black guys in metal.  Imagine a Black black metal band.  That'll be something.

Metal / Re: (Uniquely) American Black Metal
« on: January 23, 2007, 01:35:46 AM »
I like December Wolves.  What happened to them?

Metal / Re: What is art?
« on: January 23, 2007, 01:26:08 AM »
Andy Warhol was a crazy pop artist who did nothing but promote Campbell Soup.  

He obviously did more than that.

I'm just not a fan of pop art.

Metal / Re: Metal as revolutionary
« on: January 23, 2007, 12:54:24 AM »
Ha Ha ha!!!! That was a cool read.  You should be a lyricalist for a BM band.  You'd be good at it.

Hey Martin, r u still part of a flat earth society?

The god-complex is such a common occurance, its trivial.

When I die, think I'll come back as a toe.

I remember when the moon TRIED to take me from my puppet-show I called home. Then I discovered that the moon was nothing but a glass window on the amphibious death-realm layer, we call "the sky" and that it was actually The mighty blue Soul Reaver - Razael, behind the glass, trying to trick me into smashing it with a thought, so that he might be set free and call forth the insatiable chaos serpent - Nyarlathotep to SWALLOW the meaningless clouds of galaxies.

The green, red, and yellow serpents, the Black and emerald Wolves of destiny ARE but the scales of this Crawling chaos.  It's scream will shatter the very foundations of time and space.  When it blinks, day will turn to night and back to day in an instant when it opens its eye, after blinking of course.  Not even the Giant leviathan Octapus Cthulhu will survive its gaze.  Nor Hydra. Nor Dagon.

Some will be send to the Bright Realm of Insanity where each and every one of your thoughts, even deep sub-conscious thoughts will NOT ONLY become audible but will become perpetually louder for millions, upon millions of years without your preternatural ears ever bursting AND U'LL NEVER FIND THE WAY OUT of this place.

Some, to the Black dimension of false truths where you cant EVEN be one bit conscious lest you glow to the blind eyes of the mindless chaotic black creatures(which inhabit this place).  Creatures as large as the super-clusters of galaxies.  When they know your there.  Don't even BLINK a thought of your deepest fears NOT even a sub-conscious memory 'cause they"ll know it and you'll be their BITCH for ALL time, replaying EVERY FEAR OVER and OVER and OVER again.  Then probably stop.  Even these things get bored (maybe after 17 billion years).  Then you'll be another black being's bitch.

Some will go to the realm of tea and coffee and eat marsh-mellows for 2 days and then float with the magical tissue paper trees for 257.66 MILLION nanoseconds.

AND so forth and such and such...............

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