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Metal / Re: Repetition
« on: August 06, 2008, 06:17:53 PM »
Summoning is all about majesty, and you can't reflect on the epic when it goes away just as fast as it began to inspire you.

To my understanding, "epic" narratives encompass a vast array of events, and this should be conveyed by richly layered and continually shifting soundscapes.

Metal / CARCASS Reunion North American Tour Dates
« on: August 04, 2008, 02:13:23 AM »
I'm not sure if this message is redundant, but surprisingly it seems as if this information has yet to be shared on these forums:

Sep. 05 - Worcester, MA @ The Palladium
Sep. 06 - New York, NY @ Nokia Theatre
Sep. 07 - Montreal, QC @ Medley
Sep. 08 - Toronto, ON @ Opera House
Sep. 09 - Sayreville, NJ @ Starland Ballroom
Sep. 10 - Baltimore, MD @ Sonar
Sep. 11 - Raleigh, NC @ Volume 11 Tavern
Sep. 13 - Tampa, FL @ Jannus Landing
Sep. 15 - Austin, TX @ Emo’s
Sep. 19 - San Francisco, CA @ The Grand Ballroom
Sep. 21 - Seattle, WA @ El Corazon
Sep. 22 - Vancouver, BC @ Commodore Ballroom

They are performing on the other continents, of course: http://www.myspace.com/carcass

You can avoid Ticketmeister's extra fees for select performances here: http://carcass.outerloopmanagement.com/

If anyone is interested in meeting up prior to the NYC show, send me a PM.

Metal / Re: Repetition
« on: August 04, 2008, 02:01:49 AM »
Negru Voda has made a pretty thorough assessment of the situation.

WEEman, Crimson Massacre do rely on repetition as well, although they utilize longer phrases/passages that might not necessarily be reiterated at a later point in the song. However, as Negru Voda noted about the nature of carbon-copy repetition of riffs,  their lack of immediate variation on a theme actually detracts from the efficacy of their pieces. Although I hold the band in high esteem, I also find that they use awkward constructions. Coupled with their propensity towards repetition, their music often conjures the image of  tying your shoe only to find that you don't have enough lace on one end, and then committing the same exact mistake once again.

Interzone / Re: Pseudo-Intellectuals complain about Pseudo-Elitism
« on: August 04, 2008, 01:50:03 AM »
More intelligent discussion of music and less undergrad masturbation about the nature of the universe, please.

OK, let's seek out the nexus between the two subjects: the best albums of metal have expressed some aspect of potentiality--that is, the ability to generate content that provide cues for future artistis within the genre (or formulators of an entirely new genre)--whilst bands that create "dead-ends", which may appear as competent, thoughtful albums at the time, nevertheless pale in comparison. This is the difference between "Hell Awaits" and "South of Heaven". Another example of this would be Demilich's "Nespithe" vs. Emperor's "In The Nightside Eclipse". Though no band claiming to be directly-influenced by the former has emerged, or produced a worthwhile release, "Nespithe" remains a benchmark to entice intelligent, creative musicians to one-up this masterwork. Meanwhile, ITNE generated an indefinite amount of rip-off bands that capitalized on the use of cheesy synths and melodramatic riffing.

How does this relate to the previous posts? From the very origin of music, there hasn't been any significant increase in quality of the artform. Rather, that which has persisted has done so because of a trans- or supra-temporal character that nevertheless blossoms at the appropriate age, and suffuses its audience with information pertinent to their growth (or survival!).

Therefore, the best music is that which works with the most comprehensive set. In effect, it comforms most closely to some aspect of the universe (or cosmos, which might be the proper term here--there isn't really a need to isolate space from time, because the two are inseparable insofar as they are jointly embedded in the physical condition).

The best metal in subsequent years will be that which will exemplify the mathematic principles inherent in the artform. Fuck Romanticism...the fugal form of the Baroque is absolutely essential to the survival of the genre. A shift in this direction, both by the demands of the listeners as well as bands, will ultimately distinguish the transient garbage from the truly potent material. Otherwise, people will continue to seek novelty and  find merit in blithe attempts at self-expression. Nature doesn't merely consist of a radiant forest withdrawing  its thorny boughsfrom the well-wishing ambitious traveler. Nature will fuck you up and leave even the most sincere environmentalist for dead, not because it concerns itself with the morbid, but quite simply because it is governed by fixed laws. To that extent, the best of metal must convey this--and that is why black metal, brimming with suburbanites filled with a sort of refracted ressentiment, will ultimately fail to yield any worthwhile progenitors of metal to come.

Interzone / Re: Pseudo-Intellectuals complain about Pseudo-Elitism
« on: August 01, 2008, 02:02:07 AM »
The greater cannot proceed from the lesser; that's a mathematical impossibility.

What is mathematically impossible about it?

Qualitatively speaking, taking any entity (unity, if one wishes to speak of universals, rather than existential contingencies) and subdividing it into smaller components,  as with the separation of a cube x units in length into xxx identical units, will yield no superiror results. Quantitatively, of course, we can observe that the number has increased. Relative to the original condition, however, we must express each component as a fraction. Thus we arrive at an important question, and one which bears upon many social ills of our time: Can something more numerous truly be termed "greater", and if so, on what terms?

As one delves more deeply into set theory, this truth becomes clearer. Any element of a set cannot be greater than the set which contains it. Should one expand this concept to its limit, then the universe as an absolute "set" cannot produce anything greater, with regard to both quantity and quality, than any of the elements which it contains (and which must necessarily be contained within it at all times, otherwise the set has been improperly defined).

Any examples that attempt to prove otherwise are generally anthropocentric in nature, i.e. the building of a house from raw elements, the aggregation of cells to form an organism, etc.

What is anthropocentric about the aggregation of cells?

The aggregation of cells is, of course, not in itself anthropocentric, but humanity's assignment of greater value, or its attribution of some arbitrary term like "intricacy" or "complexity" to such a phenomenon is  borne from our perspective as sentient beings, often misted over by our self-awe. Indeed, we ourselves as beings maintained by intercellular communication, capable of functions particular to such a condition, and thereby construct a hierarchy--intentionally or not--that places single-celled organisms at the base. Thus, softcore (as well as hardcore) evolutionary theorists often place man at a privileged position, the crowning achievement of many millions of years of refinement, when in truth man is a rather inefficient intermediary along a spectrum of indeterminate magnitude.

Interzone / Re: Pseudo-Intellectuals complain about Pseudo-Elitism
« on: July 31, 2008, 08:25:00 PM »
Even more, both are Platonic in that they recognize that patterns, while not inherent, are formed of this world and suggest a spiritual divinity to idealistic thinking -- the pattern is greater than the material in which it is created.

Isn't this a reversal of of the concept of emanationism? (The web site clarifies a few philosophical issues better than the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. It's no surprise, however--modern universities are driven by propaganda, and philosophy departments lie nearest to the heart of the farce.)

The greater cannot proceed from the lesser; that's a mathematical impossibility. Any examples that attempt to prove otherwise are generally anthropocentric in nature, i.e. the building of a house from raw elements, the aggregation of cells to form an organism, etc. This sort of evolutionism is often wielded by people who aren't fully aware of the tenets underlying evolutionary theory (nor its historical impact on philosophy, and vice versa when considering the likes of Hegel), and therefore tend to romanticize it. On that note, Goethe's idea of "Steigerung" needs to be studied more carefully by the fans of the German idealists--if I recall correctly, the poet-thinker acknowlegdes the fact that there is ultimately no progress, no evolution of forms in our world, because the manifest will always succumb to an entropic course.

Metal / Re: AVERSE SEFIRA video interview about church burning
« on: July 26, 2008, 12:05:17 PM »
"Man is a little germ that lives on an unimportant rock ball that revolves about an insignificant star on the outer edges of one of the smaller galaxies."

Does anyone know where the original quote is from?

Voice tone indicates it must be Alan Watts, but unfortunately I don't know the audio source.

The Relevance of Oriental Philosophy: http://members.aol.com/chasklu/religion/private/watts.htm

Metal / Re: AVERSE SEFIRA video interview about church burning
« on: July 26, 2008, 01:11:43 AM »

"Man is a little germ that lives on an unimportant rock ball that revolves about an insignificant star on the outer edges of one of the smaller galaxies."

Does anyone know where the original quote is from?

Their frequent reference to trees was a little awkward. Perhaps they're just a little camera-shy.

The quote might be from Sagan, no?

Metal / Re: When bands run out of ideas
« on: June 14, 2008, 08:19:10 PM »
Compare that to, say, Beethoven, whose career spanned a similar length of time (about 20 years).  That career produced 10 'full-length' works (9 symphonies and an opera), an output similar to that of many long established metal artists.  But there, of course, the similarities end.  Where most modern artists' careers are front-loaded, Beethoven's major works are spread at fairly even intervals (every 18-24 months) over the course of his entire composing career.  And, of course, he filled the spaces between his 'full-length' works with dozens of shorter works in which he was able to work out and refine ideas to be put to use in his more ambitious material.

Perhaps the marketing culture that has a stranglehold on the metal community is preventing bands from following similar strategies? Test the waters with shorter compositions, or continually tweak songs throughout one's career, until one achieves their magnum opus not in their youth, but as highly-revered veterans of the scene. What if Trey Azagthoth was able to craft Blessed Are The Sick into a genuine symphony?

(Also, the idea of intellectual property is modernist bullshit. The trick is to pay homage playfully and intelligently. Unfortunately, subtlety is a dead art.)

Interzone / Re: Better Death Metal scene?
« on: May 30, 2008, 02:58:39 PM »
Similar to cultural differences in representation of black metal (i.e. Sacramentum vs. Beherit), Finland and Sweden offer varying perspectives on death metal as well.


This genre is characterized by a propensity towards highly melodic passages. Most Swedish death metal bands share in common with Entombed a love of Iron Maiden, and subsequently a desire to leave little room for ambiguous musical space, except by way of reverb.

Excepting what's already been mentioned by other posters (i.e. Dismember, At The Gates), exemplars include:

Afflicted -  Prodigal Sun
Eucharist - A Velvet Creation
God Macabre - The Winterlong
Hypocrisy -  Penetralia, Osculum Obscenum
Seance - Fornever Laid To Rest, Saltrubbed Eyes
Unanimated - In The Forest Of The Dreaming Dead
Unleashed - Where No Life Dwells, Shadows In The Deep


A reflection of the local black metal scene, Finnish death metal incorporates geometric structures and a dark sense of humor into their compositions. In addition to Demilich and Adramalech, you should invest in the following:

Demigod - Slumber Of Sullen Eyes
Sentenced - Shadows Of The Past, North From Here (especially the latter; a highly underrated album)

Unfortunately, early Finnish metal is not as well marketed as the rest of the Scandinavian catalogue. I'll have to look further into this myself!

Interzone / Re: So-called Positive and Negative Music
« on: May 18, 2008, 05:02:43 PM »
I prefer to listen to music in which one has to work towards its full comprehension. "Positive" music by the contemporary definition seems to be the stuff that folks bask in passively, whether it be the Beatles during a quiet, neighborhood barbeque, or whatever stuff my peers listen to during partys nowadays. The same principle applies: let it do its work in the background, like a conniving call girl on your boss's balls mid-afternoons every Thursday. (Yet you wonder why you didn't get that pay raise last quarter?)

Metal and classical music require quite a bit of engagement, and it doesn't afford the same carefree atmosphere that so-called "positive" music does. Because it demands our attention in a society that prides itself in freedom of choice--and most folks prefer not to be faced with more profound levels of reality during their experience--these two artforms are considered intrusive and offensive by many. Note also, that popular music functions equally, if not moreso, on radiating outwards and initiating social contact as it does on engaging dialogue with the listener.

Interzone / Re: If A.N.U.S was a political party...
« on: May 15, 2008, 03:51:22 PM »
The last time this argument was started the net result was infighting and two people removing themselves from the Corrupt forum. I get the impression your agenda is to drive a wedge between the Traditionalists and the rest of the members here.

Do you really see any good coming from this?

I think this particular comment is pointing out the frequent misuse of the term "evolution" as synonymous with progression towards heightened forms of expression, which, rooted in Hegelian philosophy, quickly deteriorates into arguments for Marxist class struggle. While not explicitly stated, there is a tendency among ANUSites to view evolutionary processes teleologically.

As a biologist, I am often appalled by the abuse of scientific terminology (see last statement of O.P. here, for example). Biological facts must first be understood before they are to be wielded effectively. And once we realize that most of science operates to the exclusion of possibility*, we soon realize that we ought not trust it with a dogmatism that ranks with the religious fervor of New World Protestants.

*If you aren't aware of the pervasive role of statistical inference across all disciplines, then you clearly haven't read any of the so-called "literature".

Back to the original topic: if ANUS were a political party, we would be in the midst of localizing every single institution and service. Pencil-pushers would become transitional fuels, and drugs and murder would be decriminalized. There are probably better alternatives to plastic, if we still desire to rely upon packaging solutions, but I'll leave that task up to the chemists...

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Interzone / Re: Suggestions, please.
« on: February 24, 2008, 05:22:33 PM »
Theory wasn't derived from the mathematical order of the universe, because there is no mathematical order to the universe, other than what humans ascribe to it. Theory, but it musical or other, is a human concept thought up in order to help us make sense of things, it has no meaning beyond that.

And that, friends, is the essence of nihilism!

Quantitative analyses fall flat when attempting to attribute order to the universe. This is because it marks provability, often contingent upon statistical probability, as a prerequisite for truth. In Reality, our world is a function of possibility, a fact that contradicts the notion that "validity" requires measurable success. Such are the differences between the qualitative (traditional) and quantitative (modern) sciences. However, this does not bar us from undertaking a qualitative understanding of mathematical principles, as exampled by the work of the Pythagoreans, who laid the groundwork for European classical music theory.

It was such qualitative mathematics that enabled the Egyptians to build pyramids parallel to the poles, the Mayans to approximate cosmic events with such precision, among other seemingly "impossible" achievements of peoples fortunate enough to have passed out of existence prior to the Dawn of the New Religion.

Interzone / Re: Jesus was a nihilist
« on: February 24, 2008, 12:26:09 PM »
Though Jesus might not have appeared to transcend "humanism" (though some would argue otherwise), subsequent Christian philosophers were able to do so with remarkable success. We take as example Origen, Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite, St. Bonaventure, St. Thomas Aquinas, Meister Eckhardt and Jakob Boehme.

Hinduism has indeed endowed us with a vast body of metaphysical treatises, as well as more "pragmatic" doctrines pertaining to societal structure and various aspects of ritual.

Let us take the moment to remind ourselves of the Islamic philosophers such as Averroes, Avicenna, al-Razi, al-Farabi and the great poet Rumi, all of whom have contributed significantly to our understanding of the nature of Reality. The domain of Islam is not limited to the dazzling violence of Osama bin Laden, who has afforded an anti-modern perspective that appears to be most relevant to our times; the intellectual foundations of the Middle East must be understood by anyone who claims to be allied with Truth (for in doing otherwise, they consign themselves to participation in the delimitation thereof).

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