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Interzone / Re: Metal and children.
« on: January 05, 2008, 10:00:56 PM »
So, what are be the characteristics that needs to be present in the music that would acceptable for children?

I'm thinking something simple yet evocative like the Four Seasons by Vivaldi would work, but what else?

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Interzone / Re: Is democracy really the problem?
« on: January 04, 2008, 09:11:32 PM »
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I ask again, what is the alternative?


The alternative would be a system where the ruler are not decided by the majority, but by those who are competent enough in this area to know who can be useful.

We don't choose who can become a Physician or not, nor do we choose who can or cannot become a policeman or an engineer. Yet within a democracy, the crowd has the right to decide who can become a ruler or not. This is not logical since most people have no idea what is needed to create a healthy society. In the professions I mentioned, the right to practice is given by peers who (hopefully) know what you need to know to be useful in this area of work.

Governments should work in the same way : only the people that know what should be known should be given the right to decide of the future of society. It would be much more logical to be ruled by people that have spent their entire life studying the intricacies of becoming a leader and practicing their leadership skills than to be ruled by someone who studied the art of rhetoric and that is highly skilled at convincing other people.

The other option would be to scale the size of our societies enormously, where everyone can and has to take part in the decision process of the society, much like in the time of the Greek democracy. That would also probably work better than what we have right now, but it would also go against our nationalistic boundaries : I'm not sure that someone from Dresden would want to become independent from Berlin or any other German city. However, it might be something that will need to be done one day or another.

There's probably a few other options that would work better, but then if we don't know how we could get to these better societies, we're not much better off.

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Interzone / Re: Art
« on: January 04, 2008, 03:51:41 AM »
In another thread, someone gave a link to Jos. A. Smith's blog, the guy that made Bathory's first album cover and that will make the art for the next Averse Sefira one. Some pretty interesting stuff, the train ones along with "Shaman's head" are especially striking.

Prison Train


The Inca Trainwall


the Storm


Shaman's Head


and Bathory



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Interzone / Re: Our Cultures
« on: December 22, 2007, 01:55:47 PM »
For me, it's actually the contrary; it's my Hessian mindset that influenced my view of my culture. I was born in a French Canadian federalist family in Quebec, where I was raised to be almost without culture and to despise the Quebec nationalistic movement.

It's only when I started to get deeper in metal (especially black metal) that I realised how important culture actually is, and how the multiculturalism I was praising did not make any sense. If not for the ancient Scandinavian cultures, the black metal as we know it would not exist, and that realisation made me understand how sad my knowledge and appreciation of my own culture as a Quebecer actually was.

So over this year, my opinion and my view of the world has changed enormously. I changed (evolved) from a multicultural praising liberal to a nationalist that has a deep respect for all the people that helped to make the Quebec culture so distinctive and so special. It's been quite a year for me.

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Interzone / Re: Trolling
« on: December 22, 2007, 01:31:34 PM »
What I'm wondering though, is how effective trolling actually is in spreading our ideology?

It seems to me that taking the time to actually discuss with those peoples could be more effective to spot those that would be likely to embrace our cause. By answering intelligently to the worries of this intelligent minority, we could be able to direct them toward sources that could allow them to get a better understanding of the problem at hand, and of what needs to be done for it to be corrected.

As far as the idiotic majority though, I don't think anything would be able to give them a glimpse of what the world actually looks like, the illusions they cherish have taken far too much place in their head for them to be destroyed by anything that does not include them dying.

So, is there something I've missed about trolling? It seems to me that while it might seem satisfying for the troll to see the crowd bickering and arguing among themselves, it does not actually further the ideas he's trying to push.

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Interzone / Re: alien origins of scandinavian metal
« on: December 05, 2007, 02:30:38 AM »
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Recently I have noticed something.

I've seen Christians completely shut out scientific theories in sheer stubbornness before. And I'm sure many others have too. However I've also seen the open-minded ones consider... consider is the key word.

BUT... I have NEVER in my life heard of somebody who did not immediately laugh at the theory of human alien interaction. It is like stubbornness multiplied by infinity. I do know there are some out there who actually think about it, but I'm focusing this post on the ridiculous reactions you can get from stating such a theory.

I really don't understand why these theories of human alien interaction are so ridiculously blown out of proportion by non-believers, and I'm serious about not knowing. Could it because it only takes place in the movies? or because the person is truthfully scared of such an idea? or maybe they simply want to have something to make fun of. I don't know. I hope I have proven my point but at the same time I feel like I can't even begin to explain how stupid ridiculous it is for people to laugh before even comprehending.


I'm still hoping that you're trolling, but here it goes. This is mostly repeating what has been said already, but here's everything in one, easy to read (ok, maybe not that easy) post!

Are there any proofs of extra-terrestrial interaction with the Earth? No, there's none : hearsay from a few potentially misguided individuals does not constitute a proof in science. Those people cannot re-enact what happened to them for the whole world to see, therefore believing them without knowing if those things really happened or not is in the realm of faith. Faith has no place in science since science is based first and foremost on firsthand experience (even theoretical physic).

If it can be proven that extra-terrestrial being do indeed exist (somewhat likely), and that they have had some contact with the earth (very unlikely), this discussion would be perhaps be more valid. then, blaming Norwegian metal on an extra-terrestrial cause is pure nonsense. Why would alien choose this race instead of any other? Why Metal and not a super-powerful LASER to kill all the worthless human being in the world? There’s no answer for those questions because the premise of this problem is stupid. Norwegian metal is also not exactly that unique : there were a few other black metal scene that started around the same time, and Hellhammer was definitely not Scandinavian.

Wouldn't it be more logical to base the creation of Scandinavian Metal on the atmosphere that existed in Norway in the early 90s? When you’ve got a bunch of disillusioned teenagers full of romantic ideals that live in a society that held the oppressors (Christianity) higher than their proud but oppressed ancestors, there’s bound to be something that comes out from this situation. In that case it was Black Metal, in Quebec when the society as a whole got fed up with Catholicism, we had the "Revolution tranquille" that produced something new out of the old system. This is just a case of good old "Occam's Razor" : the simpler explanation is often the most accurate. The whole world would be much better off if everyone understood it properly.

And just stop using M-Theory/String theory to give strength to your divagations, you make way too many potentially wrong assumption to use it to explain your argument. First : M-Theory is not proven. All there is behind it is a few beautiful mathematical equations that seem to describe the world. While there might be some circumstantial evidence that will support it soon (LHC early 2008), it is highly misguided to base a theory about the creation of metal (or a theory on the possibility of extraterrestrial interaction with the earth) on the assumption that it is true. Second : if the many world hypothesis is indeed right, there's no theory right now in physic that would allow one to go from one "world" to another ( if the energy released when two brane collide is so high that it is enough to start a “big bang”, I doubt it would be possible to move from one brane to another). Therefore using M-Theory to explain that it is probable for alien to have interacted with the human society is stupid.

So you've got all this thread based on sketchy interpretations of a theory that no one here really understands (in fact, even theoretical physicists don’t understand it fully) and on a deep misunderstanding of science as a whole (Occam's razor should be the first thing everyone learns about science in school). So, are we really supposed to believe that it is probable that black metal was created by a bunch of aliens? Are we really supposed to believe it is probable that aliens have interacted with the earth because other universes could exist? This is complete and utter nonsense.

And seriously, learning about Occam's Razor and understanding it should be mandatory for everyone. It is one of the most important concept that underlies all science, and most of the universe.

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