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Metal / Re: Metal and lyricism
« on: May 11, 2009, 09:27:15 PM »
Metal lyrics are at worst garbage, at best cheese, overall just directionless and juvenile.

Oh, the controversial internet warrior, just too different to be contained by the current paradigm. Only he knows the truth, even if he just keeps on sitting in that airmchair and feeling snug, at least until the money runs out and he goes back to filing those papers. Bartleby?

I always liked the way Slayer used metaphor, Suffocation mimicked the language of social machinery, and your Sacramentum, Burzum and Celtic Frost types restated themes from Coleridge and Blake.

Metal / Re: Refreshing Metal Albums
« on: May 11, 2009, 09:23:55 PM »

Metal / Re: Later Incantation
« on: May 04, 2009, 10:24:46 AM »
Why did this user get deleted or delete himself?

Metal / Re: Metal is Entertainment
« on: May 04, 2009, 10:24:20 AM »
Perhaps it ought be discussed whether all Art is good Art.

Art is a method. It has two aims:

(a) Show, not tell, how things are;
(b) Make it fun to investigate moral reality.

It's easier for us to understand a situation when we see it from the perspective of fellow human rodents, not dry philosophical texts. And we're more likely to read a story or hear a song than read something philosophical. Art is the wonderfully irrational, the emotional and aesthetic, and that's its enduring power: we get a gestalt of many linear thoughts at once, and can learn greatly from it.

Is all art good? No, art is a method. I can make art encouraging stupid, destructive things (like Ayn Rand, Toni Morrison, Chuck Palahuniak, Phillip Roth, Robert Heinlein, Jodi Piccoult, Stephanie Meyer, the list is endless) or I can make art encouraging us to rise above ourselves, seize life by the balls, and create a morality of more, better, faster, more complex, rising health -- like William Faulkner, Ernest Hemingway, William Blake, Michel Houellebecq, Louis Celine, and others.

"There are far more positive, beautiful ways of accomplishing that exact same thing."

I think the fundamental difference between intelligent metal listeners and intelligent non metal listeners is therefore one of methodology.

I will call bullshit for this reason:

Metal's desire, at least in black metal and death metal, is to praise the evil, horror, terrifying etc and make logic out of them, just as it makes beauty out of distortion.

Moral fear separates the world into good and bad.

Metal celebrates bad and good as together what produces life itself, and metal views the point of life as finding adventure/intensity (remember Repo Man?) not avoiding the unsafe and terrifying.

The best metal makes beauty out of darkness. The equivalent to moronic torture porn like the Saw movies is deathgrind like Cannibal Corpse or pornographic black metal like the new Funeral Mist.

Or are you pointing out that when the writer is discussing an often-overlooked genre (as he himself says), he is required to use those bands most familiar to the wider readership?

I think you're right; we're overlooking the big picture and real topic in favor of some objection that doesn't matter. (Someone can always write a sequel later using only trve kvlt vndergrovnd bands.)

This is the real story:

While elite critics have championed punk as the vanguard of pop cultural revolution, “the emergence of metal has never been treated as a historically significant event.” Punk struck the intellectuals as properly conceptual and arty; metal just seemed like brutal noise for brutes.

Go with that. It's important. Bicker later, when the battle's won.

Metal / Re: Graveland - Spears Of Heaven
« on: May 04, 2009, 10:16:26 AM »
Have some compassion for what he's trying to do:

Metal is popular, and he's one of the few black metal bands that hasn't sold out. So he keeps producing albums.

Clearly his love is Lord Wind. The last Lord Wind album is as good as anything black metal ever put out, and trance/thought-inducing. It's one of my favorite albums of all time (Atlantean Monument).

I think he's having trouble integrating keyboards and guitars with drums; he wants to write music where the drums are background, as in Kraftwerk's best moments, but that's impossible because metal is drum-leading.

Distorted guitar with keyboards and no drums also sounds silly; classical guitar can pull this off, but then you lose the metal heaviness.

Of all the solutions to this problem, the best is the Von/Burzum/Darkthrone/Immortal method: make the drums an ambient and unceasing flow, and then put your music changing phrasally over that. But then you lose the discernible clarity that I think he wants.

I'm avoiding the new one because the cover completely turned me off. Shallow, yes, but when I see confused thinking, I put my $17 into stocks instead, and someday, it'll be $60 or more and I can buy the used copies.

The last few Gravelands have struck me as good sketches that never really know where to go. My hope is that he'll get a handle on the style he wants, and then recycle the good material from post-1999 into a single album, which would be good enough to get into the black metal top ten.

Rob Darken is incredibly talented and very perceptive, probably a 140 or above IQ, and his contributions should never be ignored.

Metal / Re: Why I am not a Satanist
« on: May 04, 2009, 10:12:21 AM »
The problem is that as DMBM phrased it, the desire to "work on my own race" and not "give a damn about any others" is in and of itself so much "racism" and "hate" according to modern orthodoxy.

While I don't disagree with anything you said, the problem if you ask me is that there are many people out there who are "nationalists" who specialize in hating African-Americans and people of Jewish heritage or religion.

These false nationalists are in fact hate groups, and they are in fact alienated, bitter, angry losers who would unleash horrifying genocide if ever enfranchised.

The last thing nationalists need is these people, who fulfill the media type of nationalists as "hate groups" to a T, as if they're reading the SPLC reports and then imitating them.

What I like about metal is that it takes a more artistic view, which is positive nationalism coupled to other ideas, like natural selection (wolves, winter), glory of struggle, desire for more intensity, worship of infinity not safety, anti-moralism, nihilism, naturalism, monism, etc.

We don't need nationalism alone; we need a cultural restoration movement that celebrates all the good things from past and future. Nationalism alone is too limited.

On another topic, I always thought people who wanted to speak for more than their ethnic group were pricks. What the hell do I know about what African-Americans want? Until I get reincarnated as one (insert religious opinion here), I'll have nary a clue.

Metal / Re: Blasphemy's ideology and ANUS
« on: May 04, 2009, 10:07:29 AM »
Black Winds has stated that black metal should be about nothing more than blood, bullets, and fucking whores.

All such statements, like all religious statements, are symbolic.

ANUS is here to interpret the meaning behind those and to give it new life. Every genre needs both musicians and qualified writers.

Metal / Re: Favourite metal techniques
« on: May 04, 2009, 10:06:24 AM »
In the song "Malevolent Creation" by Malevolent Creation, one riff is repeated twice the exact same way at about 1:40 and 2:45. Even though it is the same riff, it conjures up completely different emotions when listening to the song because of what preceded the riff each time. I love this technique. I've heard it used several times, but this one just stood out to me.

If I understand you correctly, this is what this site means by "narrative composition": riffs are each part of a journey defined by context. The context is the song structure, which is defined by content. It's what makes metal balls out.

I'd like to see more bands incorporating multiple techniques, because I think it could be powerful. Like the "liquid guitar" (what a great use of language there) of Immortal, or the Burzum ambient strum riff, or the Emperor method of using sweeps in a non-moronic way. Put 'em all together you've got a full palette.

Interzone / Be a real "internet person"
« on: May 02, 2009, 02:43:45 PM »
Step 1:

Wait for something to post something positive.

Step 2:

Invent or use common canards to make it look stupid.

Step 3:

Revel in how elite you are; you're so pure you don't do anything but discuss ideas on the internet

Step 4:

Wait for your inaction to doom you personally, and your society.

Interzone / Awesome metal voyeurism
« on: April 19, 2009, 04:35:39 PM »

If you click this link, it tells you who's on the forum and what page they last viewed.

It's an interesting voyeurism to see what people are downloading from Audiofile...

Metal / Re: Hipsters are destroying metal
« on: April 19, 2009, 04:30:38 PM »
I generally find that more women are just into it because their bf/friends/significant other is into it, and they go along with it to help seem like they are accepted.

Women aren't seeking to define themselves; they're looking for things that do not threaten their peace of mind. So metal and punk are generally out.

The plus side of women is that they do not worry about the impressions of others, self-definition, and all that. The downside is that as a result, they are not geared toward picking optimal solutions, only adapting to whatever solution presents itself.

Metal / Re: Metal is Entertainment
« on: April 19, 2009, 04:28:18 PM »
Civilization reverses natural selection.

Constant moral attention and eugenic warfare is needed -- within a society.

This is probably the most important point made here:

Without natural selection, we have nothing to purge the insane. Society protects them out of a moral impulse, and so the idiots pile up.

Idiots like anything that shifts the burden of responsibility from them onto someone else, and distracts them from what they're doing so they can imagine they are something more important.

Entertainment is music that does that.

Art is different.

Some metal is art... just like not all classical is art.

Metal / Re: Influences driving the evolution of metal
« on: April 19, 2009, 04:25:46 PM »
People don't understand that lists of influences are an attempt to put together an outline, not mention every last detail.

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