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Interzone / Why our society will fail and Taken for granted
« on: November 22, 2009, 06:03:14 PM »
Upon reading this article,  a few ideas sprung to mind.  Popular consensus leading a population made up mostly of morons leads to only one end: a society where our best resource (people with an IQ of over 120) feel alienated among a politically-correct, lowest-common-denominator environment.

Does anyone feel this isn’t true, with all the shallow crap on TV, on the news, without any real discussion by our own presidential candidates of the really important issues of the day and the really important effects of man-made causes?

Why our society will fail

Foreign dependency cycle relationships or Inevitible Globalism, Third World overpopulation and ecocide, and First World liberty without any obligations are all within our ability to control. But all of the foregoing originate in needless individual wants that multiplied and aligned into mass effect. We never needed any of it for group survival or rewarding individual lives.

We live in a schizoid time because what people think they want is more "real," in our interactions with others, than reality. Our current dysfunction originates in this attitude, which comes about when a large numerous group overwhelms those of higher intelligence and, thanks to the head start and infrastructure set up by those of greater ability, is able to rule itself for some time before decay catches up. We can call it crowdism, or selfishness, or even mass revolt, but at its core the crowd is composed of individuals sharing this same delusion: that what we want to be true is more true than what is true. Does humanity's error come down to a simple lack of maturity, like a six-year-old confronted with a choice of dinner between broccoli and ice cream?

Taken for granted

Interzone / Truth over economy and twilight of money
« on: October 19, 2009, 08:56:36 AM »
Both of these unrelated but new blogs are right.

The first tells us of the heat death entropy of modern consumerism, sans values, as its own goal. The second points out abstractions which are layers of worth-value, the structure of economic bubbles, now far removed from the actual good or service, or reality, the abstractions represent.

Maybe the reason that best explains why we understand ethics in a relativist way is that our modern perception of reality is entirely defined in functions of production. Economic science makes whatever falls into its study field relative, because it is grounded in the valuations made by individuals in reference to their circumstantial needs. This is not harmful when applied to merchandise, but when every human act is capitalized, everything is determined as good or bad by consumers. The ideal becomes capital, and goodness becomes what is desirable for the most.

If someone wants to access the goods or services of his choice, he must act according to certain exchange rules of the economic system: ethics is reduced to a certain set of contrived rules that allow individuals to build wealth and to access other goods. Ethics is no longer a spiritual understanding of behavior, but only an implement of the economic system, and thus it subordinates its own authenticity to the dominion of economy.

Truth Over Economy

We are uncomfortably close to such a possibility just now, especially in our economic affairs. Over the last century, with the assistance of the economic hypercomplexity made possible by fossil fuels, the world’s industrial nations have taken the process of economic abstraction further than any previous civilization. On top of the usual levels of abstraction – a commodity used to measure value (gold), receipts that could be exchanged for that commodity (paper money), and promises to pay the receipts (checks and other financial paper) – contemporary societies have built an extraordinary pyramid of additional abstractions. Unlike the pyramids of Egypt, furthermore, this one has its narrow end on the ground, in the realm of actual goods and services, and widens as it goes up.

The consequence of all this pyramid building is that there are not enough goods and services on Earth to equal, at current prices, more than a small percentage of the face value of stocks, bonds, derivatives, and other fiscal exotica now in circulation. The vast majority of economic activity in today’s world consists purely of exchanges among these representations of representations of representations of wealth. This is why the real economy of goods and services can go into a freefall like the one now under way, without having more than a modest impact so far on an increasingly hallucinatory economy of fiscal abstractions.

Twilight Of Money

Interzone / Koko the gorilla smarter than half of humanity
« on: October 10, 2009, 07:53:38 PM »
Koko has a working vocabulary of over 1000 signs. Koko understands approximately 2,000 words of spoken English. Koko initiates the majority of conversations with her human companions and typically constructs statements averaging three to six words. Koko has a tested IQ of between 70 and 95 on a human scale, where 100 is considered "normal." Michael, the male silverback gorilla who grew up with Koko, had a working vocabulary of over 600 signs.


One arresting fact emerges: the average national IQ of the world is only 90. Fewer than one in five countries have IQs equal or near the British average of 100. Almost half have IQs of 90 or less.


Make room for animals. Remove liberals and humanists.

Metal / Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
« on: September 11, 2009, 06:46:45 PM »
Satanic black metal is a vector for liberalism.

* Anti-identity: we are anti-Christian but not pro- anything. What are we? Nothing.
* Egoism: There is no god. I am my own god!
* Revolutionary left mentality: tear down the established order but no rebuilding proposal.
* Nihilism as its own goal: see anti-identity
* Individualist: see anti-identity, egoism

Interzone / Moron leadership and their wars on symptoms
« on: August 24, 2009, 04:29:02 PM »
Meth manufacture adapts to and overcomes society's struggle against it.

But now drug users are making their own meth in small batches using a faster, cheaper and much simpler method with ingredients that can be carried in a knapsack and mixed on the run. The "shake-and-bake" approach has become popular because it requires a relatively small number of pills of the decongestant pseudoephedrine — an amount easily obtained under even the toughest anti-meth laws that have been adopted across the nation to restrict large purchases of some cold medication.


Entertainment bosses alienate customers, but temporarily deter a little media sharing.

Those in the media who are celebrating this “victory” are enjoying a dubious at best moment of triumph: they still have not addressed the problem of which piracy is a symptom, or affirmed a sense of fair play (”morality”) in the eyes of the media-buying public.


Rule by merchants through their proxy public appointees cannot lead anywhere but down.

Interzone / Too many friggin people in a finite space breaks the bank
« on: July 28, 2009, 05:49:44 PM »
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a revised $85 billion budget Tuesday that he said contained "the good, the bad and the ugly," including additional cuts to child welfare programs, health care for the poor and AIDS prevention efforts.


The weakest components of humanity get the axe. This has been a modern moral taboo all along up until now. Arnold for Emperor '12.

Metal / Underground metal declares war on trends
« on: July 21, 2009, 02:22:36 PM »
ATTENTION: To all weekenders, hipsters, novelty seekers, scenesters, and assorted parasites of the underground – we, the purveyors and fans of metal pre-1990 are taking back our music from you scum. It was never yours, you don't understand it, and we don't need your permission, approval, or support to continue.

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The statement above showed up on the nihil list.

Interzone / Who's who in hell from the Judeo-Christian pantheon
« on: June 02, 2009, 03:10:31 PM »
Several metal names to be found here.

Abaddon   King of Demons. Better known by his Greek name Apollyon.
Abigor                 A horseman with a lance and scepter, commanding 60 legions of devils.
Adramelech   Chancellor of Hell and President of The High Council of Devils.
Aguares   Grand Duke of Eastern Hell, commanding 30 legions of devils.
Alocer                 Grand Duke of Hell, commanding 36 legions of devils.
Amduscias   Grand Duke of Hell, commanding 29 legions, popular with black magicians.
Andras                 Marquis of Hell, commanding 30 legions of devils.
Asmodeus   Head of the Casinos of Hell, banished to the desert by Raphael.
Astaroth   Grand Duke of Western Hell, Lord Treasurer of Hell.
Astarte                 One of a number of heathen gods and goddesses sometimes consigned to Hell.
Aym                 Grand Duke of Hell, commanding 26 legions of demons. Also Haborym.
Ayperos   Prince of Hell, commanding 36 legions of devils.
Azazel                 Standard Bearer of the armies of Hell. Also Satanael.
Baal                 Commanding General of the Infernal Armies.
Baalberith   Chief Secretary and Archivist of Hell, a second-order demon. Also Berith.
Balan                 Prince of Hell.
Bearded Demon, the   His name cannot be given lest people deal with him in search of the Philosopher's Stone (as King Solomon and Paracelsus are said to have done).

Beelzebub   Prince of Demons, Lord of the Flies, second only to Satan.
Belial                Prince of Trickery, Demon of Sodomy, sometimes called The Antichrist. It is likely he is also the one called Zephar by the German demonologist Weir.
Belphegor   Demon of Ingenious Discoveries and Wealth.
Buer                 Second-order demon but commanding 50 legions of devils.
Caym                Grand President of Hell
Charon                 Boatman of Hell who ferries souls across the Styx or Archeron
Chax                 Grand Duke of Hell. Also Scox.
Cresil                 Demon of impurity and slovenliness (according to Sebastien Michaelis, 1613).
Dagon                 Baker of Hell, member of the House of Princes.
Eurynomus   Prince of Hell who feeds on corpses.
Furfur                 Count of Hell, commanding 26 legions of demons.
Geryon                 Giant centaur who (Dante said) guards Hell. Others say the guardian is a dragon.
Hecate                Queen of the witches.
Jezebeth   Demon of Falsehoods.
Kasdeya   According to The Book of Enoch (LXIX:12) 'the fifth Satan.'
Kobal                Entertainment Director of Hell, patron of comedians
Leonard   Inspector-General of Black Magic and Sorcery, The Great Negro of the witches' sabbats as a giant black goat. In Germany, Urian.
Leviathan   Grand Admiral of Hell; androgynous, he is said to have seduced both Adam and Eve.
Lilith                 Princess of Hell, first wife of Adam.
Malphas   Grand President of Hell, commanding 40 legions of devils. Same as Caym?
Mammon   A word misunderstood was personified as the Demon of Avarice.
Mastema   Leader of the offspring of fallen angels by human beings.
Melchom   Treasurer of the House of the Princes of Hell.
Mephistopheles   In some versions, servant of Lucifer, in others, The Devil himself.
Merihim                Prince of Pestilence.
Moloch                Another demon inherited from Jewish belief.
Mullin                Servant of the House of Princes, lieutenant to Leonard.
Murmur                Count of Hell, Demon of Music.
Naburus   Marquis of Hell, connected with Cerberus.
Nergal                Chief of Secret Police of Hell, a second-order demon, married to Allotu.
Nybras                Grand Publicist of the Pleasures of Hell, an inferior demon.
Nysrogh   Chief of the House of Princes of Hell, a second order demon.
Orias                Marquis of Hell, Demon of Diabolic Astrologers and Diviners.
Orthon                A minor demon familiar to the Comte de Corasse and the Comte de Foix. Another personal demon known by name is Sybacco, rather unreliably said to have attended Adriano Lemmi, connected with the alleged Satanic-Masonic cult of Palladinism in 19th century Italy and then there are all sorts of demons (usually with French names) that possessed French nuns, etc.

Paymon     Master of Ceremonies of Hell.
Philotanus   Demon assisting Belial in furthering pederasty and sodomy.
Proserpine   In some accounts, Princess of Hell.
Pyro                Prince of Falsehood.
Raum               Count of Hell, commanding 30 legions of demons.
Rimmon               Ambassador from Hell to (Czarist) Russia, Chief Physician of Hell. Also Damas.
Ronwe               Minor demon commanding 19 legions of devils.
Samael                Angel of Death, Prince of the Air, perhaps the one who tempted Eve.
Semiazas   Chief of the Fallen Angels.
Shabriri                Demon who struck people blind. The Jews also had goat demons (Schirim, Seirim), demon monsters (Behemoth, Leviathan), and Lilim, Nazzikim, Ruchoth, and many more.
Sonneillon   Demon of Hate (Michaelis).
Succorbenoth   Chief Eunuch of the House of Princes, Demon of Gates and Jealousy.
Thamuz                Ambassador of Hell, Creator of The Holy Inquisition, Investor of Artillery.
Ukobach   Stationary Engineer of Hell, Inventor of Fireworks, maybe Cooking Out.
Uphir                Head of the HMO of Hell, Demon physician and apothecary.
Valafar                Grand Duke of Hell 'in charge' say Tondriau and Villeneuve (1972) 'of good relations among brigands.'
Verdelet   Master of Ceremonies of the House of the Princes of Hell.
Verin                Demon of Impatience.
Vetis                A devil who specializes in tempting and corrupting the holy.
Xaphan                Stokes the furnaces of Hell, a second-order demon.
Zaebos                One of the many animal-human combinations in Hebrew imitation of the Sumerians. This one is part crocodile, part human.
Zagam                Demon of Deceit and Counterfeiting. He can do Christ's first miracle, changing water into wine.


Interzone / Eugenics for better musicians
« on: May 27, 2009, 08:12:35 PM »
In the study high music test scores were significantly associated with creative functions in music (p< .0001), suggesting composing, improvising and arranging music demands musical aptitude. Creativity is a multifactorial genetic trait involving a complex network made up of a number of genes and environment. Here was shown for the first time that the creative functions in music have a strong genetic component (h2 =.84; composing h2 =.40; arranging h2 =.46; improvising h2 = .62) in Finnish multigenerational families. Additionally the heritability estimates of the musical aptitude were remarkable.

To elucidate the neurobiological basis of music in human evolution and communication the researchers demonstrated an association of arginine vasopressin receptor 1A (AVPR1A) gene variants with musical aptitude. In the previous studies the AVPR1A gene and its homologies have been associated with social, emotional and behavioral traits, including pair bonding and parenting. The results suggest that the neurobiology of music perception and production is related to the pathways affecting intrinsic attachment behavior.


From NIHILISM and EUGENICS mailing list.

Interzone / Metal-spirited nationalists in history
« on: March 11, 2009, 07:08:36 PM »
The Legion of Romania was founded by Corneliu Zelea Codreanu in 1927. In 1930, the Iron Guard was formed as a paramilitary wing of the Legion. In 1935 the Legion was renamed Everything for the Country, sometimes translated Everything for Fatherland or Motherland.

The movement's leader, Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, was a religious mystic who aimed at a spiritual resurrection for the nation. [2] According to Codreanu's heterodox philosophy, human life was a sinful, violent political war, which would ultimately be transcended by the spiritual nation. In this schema, the Legionnaire might have to perform fanatical and violent actions that would condemn him to damnation- which was considered the ultimate sacrifice for the nation![2] In addition to its regenerative nationalism and heretical-Christian doctrines, the Legion promulgated a biological conception of the Romanian nation.[2] Like many fascist movements, the Legion called for a revolutionary "new man". As for economics, there was no straightforward program, but the Legion generally promoted the idea of a communal or national economy, rejecting capitalism as overly materialistic.[2] The movement considered its main enemies to be present political leaders and the Jews.


Post WWI Romania probably saw itself fated to become a rural backwater anachronism amidst an industrializing Europe that was adopting modern warfare capability. So, its leadership decided to whore its land and people to internationalists and bankers; our forever wandering global mercantile caste. The result, like in so many nations, was the rise of a nationalist, "For Our Land and People" type party with a violent paramilitary wing. It is interesting that the Iron Guard incorporated mysticism drawn from "heretical" modifications of Orthodox Christianity.

The mysticism of the Legion led to a cult of death, martyrdom, violence, and self-sacrifice. Its action squads were called echipa morţii, or "death squads".[2] A chapter of the Legion was called a cuib, or "nest," and was arranged around the virtues of discipline, work, silence, education, mutual, aid, and honor. These groups observed rituals that included writing oaths in blood and drinking blood.[2]

Interzone / Postmodern Americanism ethos is humanist mythos
« on: February 26, 2009, 09:38:04 PM »
Belief in the sacrosanctity of the human animal finds its origins in the US Declaration of Independence, where Thomas Jefferson, defiant toward the pre-modern Divine Right of Kings belief writes, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

This statement and why Jefferson made it (angry rebel) is key to understanding postmodern Americanism, the faith-based anticulture movement that has swallowed Western Europe and Australia and threatens nations of the Asian Pacific Rim (Japan, Taiwan, South Korea) with its dissolution into historic-hereditary-cultural mediocrity.

Secular humanism, it can be reasonbly argued, is the official state religion of the Western Hemisphere and its close trading partners beyond. It is a religion because its adherents have agreed to set aside fact in favor of myth so that the institution's (the human animal is the center of the universe, or, anthrocentricism) ethos, or civilizational moral foundation, as a whole, may retain integrity, or at minimum, the illusion thereof.

What's needed is a sane foundational replacement for modern civilization, one that isn't mired in the error of an endless self-referential loop, but like those great civilizations of old, and those of the future, sets its sights beyond itself (liberal democracy) or its component parts (human animals).

Interzone / Why well educated dullards fear ANUS
« on: December 08, 2008, 05:45:16 PM »
A comment from reddit

I'm sorry I deleted my post. I wouldn't have if I thought someone was replying to it. For reference, I argued that the author's premise that the strong must subjugate the weak or the weak will subjugate the strong was a 'false dichotomy' fallacy. And I concluded that this invalidated his argument.

My point that the author's premise was a dichotomy was a valid one. No where in his argument does he allude to the possibility that there may be conclusions which don't require one group to subjugate the other. Perhaps you are arguing that the authors position is a true dichotomy, but my characterization was still accurate even if my conclusion was wrong.

That's as far as I will go with logic games with you. You seem to idealize societies that were based on the belief of some people being born less human and less deserving of rights than others, and you seem to believe that class is biologically innate.

These beliefs disgust me, and I have no intention of showing them the respect that logic discourse would lend them.



1) Emotional overreaction / underconfidence deleting own post then apologizing for misbehaviour
2) Beating the tired "strong subjugating the weak" and "some people being born less human and less deserving of rights" strawman, the latter was not at all stated or implied anywhere. Actually, when in all of history and natural science has strong subjugating the weak never been an empirical rule by the way? Why not change society to make the rule work more benevolently instead of crazily pretending inequality doesn't exist while blind to society's ludicrous money and popularity supremacist game?
3) Not once justifying or providing examples of egalitarian / interchangeable human sameness beliefs, indicating they are no more than an insubstantive mass fantasy ideology espoused by the dysfunctional millstones around society's neck

Interzone / Depression
« on: December 11, 2007, 03:21:44 AM »
One common way to take out computers on the internet is the denial of service attack. It is very simple: you flood the machine either with raw data, as in mail and port bombing, or you hit it with hanging questions that force it to think. Each one is no big deal, but when a hundred thousand of them hit, the machine becomes neurotic and cannot tell real data from garbage. As a result, it slows all data down (equally, thank god!) and for all practical purposes goes offline. Something similar happens to both humans and our species as a whole with depression.

First, we deny depression as a species. We are obsessive about diagnosis, analysis, documentation and medication of our problems. Even obscure maladies like anal warts receive reams of focused attention by high-trained and high-paid specialists, conjecturing and thinking and experimenting. In this we can see the old truism "less is more", because the storm of interest in depression in industrial nations has, like a wind blowing papers in a constellation of chaos, ignored what's at the center of the event: depression is brought on by feelings of disconnection from the world.


Interzone / Apolitical
« on: December 10, 2007, 06:33:40 AM »
A friend of mine said that in his city, having a big political opinion is normal. The people I know have political opinions, and they get mad when I say I do not have one, as if I was cheating. I'm not. I do not believe politics will solve anything for us, and I think it's a big distraction that works really well at keeping us from seeing the truth.

Why I'm not political has become a topic of some heated discussion among my friends. When they first asked me about it, I had no good answer, except that I thought politics was bullshit. Of course, you get laughed at if you say that, so I thought about it and made a list, and here are the reasons I do not believe in politics.


Promises are cheap. Performance has value.

Interzone / Cynicism
« on: December 09, 2007, 05:45:43 AM »
How nice it would be to be numb, we think sometimes, as in the current era, those who notice more and can think farther into the future are punished for this ability. To be aware, and to connect the dots on the map of this society's future, is to notice an oblivion into which we inexorably walk. Even more, it is to be aware of history as at least recently a giant chronicle of failures.

Even more, it is to note how in nature, there is never "freedom" from competition for survival. Species wipe themselves out all the time. And even if we are the only life in our corner of the universe, there is nothing to say life is not developing elsewhere. We are expendable; there is no religious, moral or historical reason why we, humanity, or we, any specific group within humanity, must survive.


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