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Interzone / Re: Would you rape the ass of Christ?
« on: February 06, 2010, 08:50:31 PM »
The metaphorically and/or social cues challenged are usually persons of austic diversity aren't they?

Interzone / Re: Solutions for the new article Oncology
« on: February 06, 2010, 08:43:24 PM »
Conclusion: I do not see where we could really disagree.

I never saw any disagreement.

Interzone / Re: Genetic Engineering
« on: February 05, 2010, 05:57:35 PM »
Transhumanism will work out about like environmentalism.

Jacking up genes is "likely to produce broad metabolic, genetic, and proteomic changes," noted the authors.


Interzone / Re: Solutions for the new article Oncology
« on: February 04, 2010, 06:05:49 PM »
I'll grant that a man is part of and not the whole of reality, so a standard for what is moral, if moral is taken to mean, "actions and beliefs that consistently function correctly", essentially lie outside a given man's being and his time. What works in reality was there before him, and after him, and remains so with or without his presence. What works in our interactions as physics and these interactions as emergent effects over time is therefore a universal.

The problem with a man is his own ability to interface with reality; how accurately and consistently, as frequency and volume, he does so in life. It goes without saying that some people are more perceptive and some less so. Others value trustworthiness and altruism, but many care for neither. These characteristics and others are gradients, not binary categories. In addition, they may change over time from a multitude of factors: genes, nutrition, rest, injury, pity or jadedness that comes from experiences in a given context. The gradients dynamically shift in tone as it were from instance to instance for each man. Referring again to the Moral Existence clause, "frequency of actions and beliefs that consistently function correctly", this is effectively perfect inequality between men.

I'll also grant that we may be working with different interpretations for what is moral, which would be unfortunate since if we were, then one of us is off topic.

Interzone / Re: Solutions for the new article Oncology
« on: February 04, 2010, 02:25:12 PM »
Your use of normally implies equality. That's an error.

Interzone / Re: Solutions for the new article Oncology
« on: February 03, 2010, 04:28:55 PM »
Removing these interface layers is a return to Nature. By happy chance I surfed across something related to what i'm driving at. Others out there believe this to be the case as well:

Moreover, this idea [no god, no purpose] is a poisonous one. It robs us of the will to take action. It leads us on a path to despair and apathy. It’s destructive and cheapens our life. It’s a dud. ("Andrew" @ OD)

I have a sense that this is a bourgeois difficulty.

Lower-class males have no problem forming gangs, arming themselves, and pursuing various aggressive activities that replicate the pre-historic behavior of mankind in small kinship groups.

Whatever superstitions arose/arise in these prehistoric minds were/are epiphenomenal, in that the motivation to exploit one’s environment was/is not dependent upon philosophical notions.

As it was then, so it is today - kill something to eat and fuck something so you can go to sleep. No need to worry about “the will to take action”.

Nietzsche had something constructive to say on the point:

[BGE] 257. EVERY elevation of the type “man,” has hitherto been the work of an aristocratic society and so it will always be–a society believing in a long scale of gradations of rank and differences of worth among human beings, and requiring slavery in some form or other. Without the PATHOS OF DISTANCE, such as grows out of the incarnated difference of classes, out of the constant out-looking and down-looking of the ruling caste on subordinates and instruments, and out of their equally constant practice of obeying and commanding, of keeping down and keeping at a distance–that other more mysterious pathos could never have arisen, the longing for an ever new widening of distance within the soul itself, the formation of ever higher, rarer, further, more extended, more comprehensive states, in short, just the elevation of the type “man,” the continued “self-surmounting of man,” to use a moral formula in a supermoral sense. To be sure, one must not resign oneself to any humanitarian illusions about the history of the origin of an aristocratic society (that is to say, of the preliminary condition for the elevation of the type “man”): the truth is hard. Let us acknowledge unprejudicedly how every higher civilization hitherto has ORIGINATED! Men with a still natural nature, barbarians in every terrible sense of the word, men of prey, still in possession of unbroken strength of will and desire for power, threw themselves upon weaker, more moral, more peaceful races (perhaps trading or cattle-rearing communities), or upon old mellow civilizations in which the final vital force was flickering out in brilliant fireworks of wit and depravity. At the commencement, the noble caste was always the barbarian caste: their superiority did not consist first of all in their physical, but in their psychical power–they were more COMPLETE men (which at every point also implies the same as “more complete beasts”).

[And Kasimir Petrenko seconds the notion:]

“I have a sense that this is a bourgeois problem.” - NN

It is. The ‘man of conscience’ has replaced the ‘man of instinct’ and our vitality is now far below what it once was. With that we find ourselves in the present predicament. Forced to search for some ‘moral justification’ for our own survival, where our distant ancestors knew what to do without asking any question.


Interzone / Re: The Dawning Age of Lifeless Sterility
« on: February 03, 2010, 02:28:51 PM »
dumb = inert substance
smart = articulating parts, semi-autonomy, I/O interface

They're looking at packing this into a spray can for household consumer purposes. That's the patent. Eye glasses have had this or a similar coating for a few years already.

Interzone / Re: Solutions for the new article Oncology
« on: February 03, 2010, 02:13:50 PM »
This social point of view is problematic. Yes, social order follows from the commandments, but the commandments do not follow from a human wish for order in groups. The commandments did not "evolve", they were handed down by God. I know of no sound alternative to this.

But, now we have additional layers atop those. There are constitutions, at least in our part of the world, and atop these are laws. Each of these layers had better interface perfectly with the one above it all the way to God, else error is introduced. Adding layers has not kept the prisons from overflowing from all the instances of criminality and stupidity taking place in our time.

Interzone / The Dawning Age of Lifeless Sterility
« on: February 02, 2010, 06:49:03 PM »
The liquid glass spray (technically termed “SiO2 ultra-thin layering”) consists of almost pure silicon dioxide (silica, the normal compound in glass) extracted from quartz sand. Water or ethanol is added, depending on the type of surface to be coated. There are no additives, and the nano-scale glass coating bonds to the surface because of the quantum forces involved. According to the manufacturers, liquid glass has a long-lasting antibacterial effect because microbes landing on the surface cannot divide or replicate easily.

Liquid glass was invented in Turkey and the patent is held by Nanopool, a family-owned German company. Research on the product was carried out at the Saarbrücken Institute for New Materials. Nanopool is already in negotiations in the UK with a number of companies and with the National Health Service, with a view to its widespread adoption.


We were all looking at applied nanotech back in the bbs days. Back then, ~7 years ago, because nanotech was in the planning and speculation phases, everything except simple, dumb-applications like carbon buckyball structures was impossible. At this point, we're getting into advanced dumb-apps with this glass spray. Next stage is probably basic smart apps like moving parts, articulating structures, little saws and windmills for as yet unconceived purposes. Later with advanced smart nanotech comes sensors, mobility, programmability and self-replication.

Interzone / Re: Solutions for the new article Oncology
« on: February 02, 2010, 04:45:57 PM »
A couple months back, there was a blog published at the Archdruid Report, as is often the case, about the economy and modern way of life. This blog dealt with the concept of abstractions. I don't know if it is The Problem, but certainly a problem with modernism is our use of abstractions. I believe understanding our use of abstractions is another helpful path, along with enumerating modernism's components.

Take the story of the Ten Commandments. Tribal leader Moses travels alone up the mountain to go meet with the Almighty as instructed. With the leader absent, the tribe breaks down into anarchy and debauchery, a sort of default state sliding into entropy and self-destruction; not-being to the Neoplatonic; evil to the Christian; living hell to the Hindu, etc. Moses returns later with the two tablets and some drama follows. The point here is the tablets themselves. They are an abstract layer of more accessible, better simplified instructions for how not to self-destruct as a group, which we may as well take to mean comprehending reality. Again, with tribal leader Moses away, the tribe had gone astray into their own fantasies, losing touch with reality.

Another way to look at this is binary electrical signals in personal computing as a true reality, with the colorful buttons and legible text on our visible light emitting monitors as our accessible, convenient abstract layer for interfacing with personal computing's true reality, which are those minute binary signals transceiving information.

Our bodies are far too big and slow to pull electrons one at a time manually and arrange in required order. It is a natural, physical limitation we are stuck with but have nonetheless managed to overcome with our clever use of interface layers. Similarly, by default, we very rarely if ever produce people of such leadership quality that they are consistently cognizant of reality-as-it-exists. Even if we did, how could one such rare person, other than an acknowledged, unquestioned god-king command such obedience that everyone is kept in line and away from drifting off into that default animal not-being state of ours? Hence, our moral layer applications, if only for efficiency. But this morality interface is itself corrupted in our time, isn't it?

Interzone / Re: Solutions for the new article Oncology
« on: February 01, 2010, 08:25:50 PM »
You have a bunch or romans having gods as fashion, and a bunch of Platonists meditating. But only the Christians had the balls to die for their faith. Suicidal idiocy? Then explain the vigor this idea gave to Rome and the rise of a stronger West, who knows what would happened with pure Neoplatonism, the fact is that Christianity invigorated the West.

That all happened around the civilized Mediterranean areas.

Omitted factors: What about further north into the continental interior among the rustic heathens? Consider also later on, the possible alternate histories of the natives of the Pacific, Africa and the Americas. If anything, the world would have had a much different history in many ways.

Interzone / Re: Solutions for the new article Oncology
« on: February 01, 2010, 07:27:07 PM »
I take it by principle, we mean a first cause, or a Neoplatonic The One which is obscured from us by a lesser order of Forms. By forsaking this path and taking the Judeo-Christian instead (a path that did not replace our paganism but rather has contaminated our ways), we ended up with our modernism. In my view, that was the pivotal turning point in Western history. Continuing along the Neoplatonic branch into whatever that would later evolve toward, I believe, would have produced better results for civilization.

Interzone / Re: Would you rape the ass of Christ?
« on: February 01, 2010, 05:17:34 PM »
I have it on reliable authority that a homosexual act does not really occur unless the scrotums make contact. Heh, who knew?

Interzone / Re: Use of nuclear weapons
« on: February 01, 2010, 05:13:47 PM »
We aren't able to recreate genuine stellar fusion at any scale, certainly not in our terrestrial environment. So no, the hydrogen bomb isn't a recreation of cosmic forces, but instead an extremely puny mimicry. Since the topic is about the atomic bomb, which entails a fission process, there really isn't much of any relation to stellar physics with the exceptions of resulting bright light and heated material.

Interzone / Re: Would you rape the ass of Christ?
« on: February 01, 2010, 11:44:29 AM »
It isn't blasphemy until hE blows you afterward.

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