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Interzone / Re: Truth over economy and twilight of money
« on: October 20, 2009, 11:29:35 PM »
Really the only power ever was the hard heart of a killer. Gold is just a couple of abstract layers removed from the mercenary/policeman/soldier/assassin paid with it.

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Interzone / Re: Truth over economy and twilight of money
« on: October 19, 2009, 05:18:37 PM »
I pasted the URLs in from a VBulletin board which wraps them in quotes. The quotes need to be erased or escaped out (done) for other forum software.

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Interzone / Truth over economy and twilight of money
« on: October 19, 2009, 03:56:36 PM »
Both of these unrelated but new blogs are right.

The first tells us of the heat death entropy of modern consumerism, sans values, as its own goal. The second points out abstractions which are layers of worth-value, the structure of economic bubbles, now far removed from the actual good or service, or reality, the abstractions represent.

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Maybe the reason that best explains why we understand ethics in a relativist way is that our modern perception of reality is entirely defined in functions of production. Economic science makes whatever falls into its study field relative, because it is grounded in the valuations made by individuals in reference to their circumstantial needs. This is not harmful when applied to merchandise, but when every human act is capitalized, everything is determined as good or bad by consumers. The ideal becomes capital, and goodness becomes what is desirable for the most.

If someone wants to access the goods or services of his choice, he must act according to certain exchange rules of the economic system: ethics is reduced to a certain set of contrived rules that allow individuals to build wealth and to access other goods. Ethics is no longer a spiritual understanding of behavior, but only an implement of the economic system, and thus it subordinates its own authenticity to the dominion of economy.

Truth Over Economy

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We are uncomfortably close to such a possibility just now, especially in our economic affairs. Over the last century, with the assistance of the economic hypercomplexity made possible by fossil fuels, the world’s industrial nations have taken the process of economic abstraction further than any previous civilization. On top of the usual levels of abstraction – a commodity used to measure value (gold), receipts that could be exchanged for that commodity (paper money), and promises to pay the receipts (checks and other financial paper) – contemporary societies have built an extraordinary pyramid of additional abstractions. Unlike the pyramids of Egypt, furthermore, this one has its narrow end on the ground, in the realm of actual goods and services, and widens as it goes up.

The consequence of all this pyramid building is that there are not enough goods and services on Earth to equal, at current prices, more than a small percentage of the face value of stocks, bonds, derivatives, and other fiscal exotica now in circulation. The vast majority of economic activity in today’s world consists purely of exchanges among these representations of representations of representations of wealth. This is why the real economy of goods and services can go into a freefall like the one now under way, without having more than a modest impact so far on an increasingly hallucinatory economy of fiscal abstractions.

Twilight Of Money

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Interzone / Re: Nothing on the radio for the last 500 years
« on: October 19, 2009, 02:41:48 PM »
As indicated in today's topic in the NIHIL list, the key or algorithm to a lot of this is: how many degrees removed from reality, meaning, or truth is X? Or, how deep into the abstract we have drifted.

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Interzone / Re: Criminology
« on: October 17, 2009, 04:31:24 AM »
Thralldom, not prison.  Anti-socials and deviants must surely face their recompense lest they spread corruption, degeneration, and deviance.

I understand this, but again, the point is to not have one's nation composed of defect at all. That means no thrall caste as a major functioning component. The body expels waste after some short time. It does not store waste and utilize for the long term. To do so would be to introduce toxins to the body. So it is with having any permanent underclass.

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Interzone / Re: Criminology
« on: October 17, 2009, 03:54:07 AM »
Removing pride? Prison is a source of pride for an enormous demographic composed of all races, gangsta. Removing pride of a people that inhabit one's nation is an ingredient for decay in my book.

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Interzone / Re: Criminology
« on: October 17, 2009, 02:58:57 AM »
The necessary punishment may not correct, but it may deter sociopaths into compliance at the surface by letting them know the price for violating the laws of a society.  At the very least, it deprives the worst from passing on their genes.

This is the sort of weak response that helps to perpetuate degenerate behaviour. Punishment indicates society would rather show tolerance than vigilance, which is a display of weakness. The whole point is to remove defect from our midst, not pay for its jailed upkeep only to loose it upon us again and again. Intolerance would have a definite and permanent shut off point that removes an offender from society forever. For example, the Saudis could have first offense flogging, second head chop. In Northern Europe, first offense thrown out of town into the forest for the winter, second offense hanged.

But, the definition of hooliganism would have flexibility with regards to young unsettled adults, so that those who have yet to fully mature have every chance. That's where the penalty of lengthy community service or military conscription can step in and give them a structured life for a few years. Jail is a stupid, stupid, unproductive waste.

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Interzone / Re: Koko the gorilla smarter than half of humanity
« on: October 13, 2009, 01:32:43 AM »
If they did that for humans, it would be called eugenics or evil or hatred or something.

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Interzone / Re: Parent-Child communication
« on: October 12, 2009, 11:39:55 PM »
Outcome depends on the kid. A 'tard is probably better off coddled and sheltered so that it doesn't turn into a monster as an adult. Don't bother explaining or justifying. Just lock them in their room with a Bible and Dr. Seuss. A genius can deal with and come to the appropriate conclusions about the world, so some depth of exposure with nudging guidance early will benefit them greatly when they turn into adults.

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Interzone / Koko the gorilla smarter than half of humanity
« on: October 11, 2009, 02:53:38 AM »
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Koko has a working vocabulary of over 1000 signs. Koko understands approximately 2,000 words of spoken English. Koko initiates the majority of conversations with her human companions and typically constructs statements averaging three to six words. Koko has a tested IQ of between 70 and 95 on a human scale, where 100 is considered "normal." Michael, the male silverback gorilla who grew up with Koko, had a working vocabulary of over 600 signs.

http://www.koko.org/world/

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One arresting fact emerges: the average national IQ of the world is only 90. Fewer than one in five countries have IQs equal or near the British average of 100. Almost half have IQs of 90 or less.

http://vdare.com/misc/rushton_iq.htm

Make room for animals. Remove liberals and humanists.

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Interzone / Re: Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy
« on: October 08, 2009, 09:10:28 PM »
However, if you can mention any insightful parallels between Nietzsche and metal, anus etc I am  more than willing to hear them, since I am on this forum to talk after all.

Post-morality and death metal are a match.

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Metal / Re: Death/black metal on mainstream radio
« on: October 07, 2009, 12:30:50 AM »
I'd take a look at classical for close comparison.

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Interzone / Re: Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy
« on: October 06, 2009, 10:55:10 PM »
Your point however, might be that it does not follow obviously that Nietzsche planned any sort of society based on the Higher Man, which is a point of contention which has more basis than saying his thought precludes it entirely.

If higher man is beyond modern man and modern man is about as much beyond the apes, how does modern man treat with apes? I'd say it is neither a mutual societal relationship or perfect disassociation, but something else.

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I thought it was pretty evident that it was Christian morality he battled against, and this is still present in modern society.  Pity, "altruism", lack of love or willingness for conflict still exist, and thus no matter how "Post-modern" this society is, it is still Christianized in many regards.

True. Our present age is a repackaging of the old product that sold so well before; a secularized Christianity that has replaced deity Yahweh with deity Humanity.

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Interzone / Re: Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy
« on: October 06, 2009, 08:29:31 PM »
It follows that it is from higher men that transformational leadership, and thus a higher state of mankind overall comes. So, higher men as a goal, which once realized, causes all else to follow as they push onward and upward.

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Metal / Re: ANUS/Amerika/Corruptians of Chicago.
« on: October 02, 2009, 10:38:14 PM »
I went looking for some fliers already designed and found an activism essay.

This place is a repository of horror, truth, blasphemy and beauty.


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