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Interzone / Re: Bringing back bbs.anus.com
« on: November 02, 2009, 07:12:41 PM »
The topics got too explicitly far right, far left or libertarian anarchist because people for whatever reason seek an identity pattern to interface with underlying truths. If that layer could be removed, which isn't easy, the discussions would improve.

Interzone / Re: Bringing back bbs.anus.com
« on: November 02, 2009, 06:49:46 PM »
Chasm -> redirect to RttP forum
Cadre -> bbs.anus.com

Interzone / Re: Being not useless
« on: November 02, 2009, 03:27:53 PM »
You're not the first to come along and state that.

Interzone / Re: Truth over economy and twilight of money
« on: November 02, 2009, 06:33:53 AM »
Why aren't they worried about the impact of what they're doing? Why do they think America is so strong it can take endless abuse?

I think I know part of the answer. It is that they've never seen things go dark. They came of age during the great abundance, circa 1980-2008 (or 1950-2008, take your pick), and they don't have the habit of worry. They talk about their "concerns"—they're big on that word. But they're not really concerned. They think America is the goose that lays the golden egg. Why not? She laid it in their laps. She laid it in grandpa's lap.

They don't feel anxious, because they never had anything to be anxious about. They grew up in an America surrounded by phrases—"strongest nation in the world," "indispensable nation," "unipolar power," "highest standard of living"—and are not bright enough, or serious enough, to imagine that they can damage that, hurt it, even fatally.


I met some old Hungarian dude with an Old World outlook way back when. He used to call short-sighted, selfish Americans who run things peasants.

Interzone / Re: LOL@modern depression treatment
« on: November 01, 2009, 08:35:20 PM »
Welcome to modernity: we deal in effects, not causes, and means, not ends, because effects/means are what YOU experience.

Ending destructive causes makes the effects disappear. When the effects disappear, the profit and popularity of the numerous effects-fighters ends. There's a motive. What you experience is how it is marketed.

Interzone / Re: Look what the cat dragged in
« on: October 27, 2009, 08:35:02 PM »
Cobain was a flash in the pan compared to Gen X icon Ozzy Osbourne.

Interzone / Re: Swine flu: time to panic yet?
« on: October 23, 2009, 07:26:40 PM »
I believe it is mostly a lot of industry funded media hype to get people to line up to buy an extra vaccination this year. If they can train the panicky herd to see any molehill as a mountain, they've pretty much successfully forged invisible slaver's chains for the gullible. Yeah, the problem is that not nearly enough of this gullible, fearful and stupid gene expression is dying off.

Unfortunately the invisible chains won't be used for eugenics purposes for betterment, but to milk the cattle perpetually. So, the libertarian anti- NWO types are basically right, but for the worst reasons. Maybe some of the depopulation, pro-ecology globalists should take the reigns here.

Interzone / Re: Distrust of government
« on: October 22, 2009, 02:44:31 PM »
It seems to me that a distant high king would serve the exact role of Strong Government without locally micromanaging. Barons or counts could have infrastructure authority over rural and urban sections respectively. Magistrates handle hard case broken animal people in our midst. There is so much mama drama over what we call things, but really it is only the arrangement and processing that needs tightening up.

Interzone / Re: Building your own computer
« on: October 22, 2009, 02:39:00 PM »
I've been able to buy a mobo and RAM from local shops and they make a deal giving the OS at OEM rates. It helps to throw some business at small businesses. The prices for components that are some months old are comparable or only slightly higher than an average online cost.

Interzone / Re: Truth over economy and twilight of money
« on: October 20, 2009, 04:29:35 PM »
Really the only power ever was the hard heart of a killer. Gold is just a couple of abstract layers removed from the mercenary/policeman/soldier/assassin paid with it.

Interzone / Re: Truth over economy and twilight of money
« on: October 19, 2009, 10:18:37 AM »
I pasted the URLs in from a VBulletin board which wraps them in quotes. The quotes need to be erased or escaped out (done) for other forum software.

Interzone / Truth over economy and twilight of money
« on: October 19, 2009, 08:56:36 AM »
Both of these unrelated but new blogs are right.

The first tells us of the heat death entropy of modern consumerism, sans values, as its own goal. The second points out abstractions which are layers of worth-value, the structure of economic bubbles, now far removed from the actual good or service, or reality, the abstractions represent.

Maybe the reason that best explains why we understand ethics in a relativist way is that our modern perception of reality is entirely defined in functions of production. Economic science makes whatever falls into its study field relative, because it is grounded in the valuations made by individuals in reference to their circumstantial needs. This is not harmful when applied to merchandise, but when every human act is capitalized, everything is determined as good or bad by consumers. The ideal becomes capital, and goodness becomes what is desirable for the most.

If someone wants to access the goods or services of his choice, he must act according to certain exchange rules of the economic system: ethics is reduced to a certain set of contrived rules that allow individuals to build wealth and to access other goods. Ethics is no longer a spiritual understanding of behavior, but only an implement of the economic system, and thus it subordinates its own authenticity to the dominion of economy.

Truth Over Economy

We are uncomfortably close to such a possibility just now, especially in our economic affairs. Over the last century, with the assistance of the economic hypercomplexity made possible by fossil fuels, the world’s industrial nations have taken the process of economic abstraction further than any previous civilization. On top of the usual levels of abstraction – a commodity used to measure value (gold), receipts that could be exchanged for that commodity (paper money), and promises to pay the receipts (checks and other financial paper) – contemporary societies have built an extraordinary pyramid of additional abstractions. Unlike the pyramids of Egypt, furthermore, this one has its narrow end on the ground, in the realm of actual goods and services, and widens as it goes up.

The consequence of all this pyramid building is that there are not enough goods and services on Earth to equal, at current prices, more than a small percentage of the face value of stocks, bonds, derivatives, and other fiscal exotica now in circulation. The vast majority of economic activity in today’s world consists purely of exchanges among these representations of representations of representations of wealth. This is why the real economy of goods and services can go into a freefall like the one now under way, without having more than a modest impact so far on an increasingly hallucinatory economy of fiscal abstractions.

Twilight Of Money

Interzone / Re: Nothing on the radio for the last 500 years
« on: October 19, 2009, 07:41:48 AM »
As indicated in today's topic in the NIHIL list, the key or algorithm to a lot of this is: how many degrees removed from reality, meaning, or truth is X? Or, how deep into the abstract we have drifted.

Interzone / Re: Criminology
« on: October 16, 2009, 09:31:24 PM »
Thralldom, not prison.  Anti-socials and deviants must surely face their recompense lest they spread corruption, degeneration, and deviance.

I understand this, but again, the point is to not have one's nation composed of defect at all. That means no thrall caste as a major functioning component. The body expels waste after some short time. It does not store waste and utilize for the long term. To do so would be to introduce toxins to the body. So it is with having any permanent underclass.

Interzone / Re: Criminology
« on: October 16, 2009, 08:54:07 PM »
Removing pride? Prison is a source of pride for an enormous demographic composed of all races, gangsta. Removing pride of a people that inhabit one's nation is an ingredient for decay in my book.

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