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Interzone / Re: Liberals are just secular Christians
« on: September 15, 2009, 04:58:51 PM »
Empathy for individuals doesn't mean you give in to every stupid impulse they have.

Right on. Empathy isn't synonymous with sympathy. Empathy means you can read people's motives and desires. It doesn't go further in definition into appeasement and capitulation, or an opposite reaction of revulsion. It's a gift for having a means for understanding what drives others.

Dumb people seem to confuse revulsion with a lack of empathy, when in fact it could mean someone is gifted with it. They'll insist that appeasement means empathy and other responses are a lack thereof. They're conflating means and ends.

Interzone / Re: Heavy metal gets replies 42% of time on dating sites
« on: September 15, 2009, 02:12:31 AM »
Like so many things, this is probably a mixed bag. They're people who live lives well adjusted - to having failed at the society game.

Metal / Re: Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
« on: September 14, 2009, 12:44:07 PM »

There is perfect unity at the top, increasingly elementary simplification of forms moving down, and finally total incoherence at the state farthest from.

Interzone / Re: The weight of eternity
« on: September 13, 2009, 09:21:17 PM »
We do not physically end as such either. The gases escape the grave and enter the atmosphere. The worms and grubs take the solids for nutrients. When they die or are eaten their molecules that were once us enter the atmosphere. Even with the Earth's death as a barren cinder drifting through freezing darkness ten billion years hence, it'll get swallowed up in some new gravity well adding its mass to a new stellar birthing once more. Recycling is natural.

Metal / Liberal ideology in satanic black metal
« on: September 12, 2009, 01:46:45 AM »
Satanic black metal is a vector for liberalism.

* Anti-identity: we are anti-Christian but not pro- anything. What are we? Nothing.
* Egoism: There is no god. I am my own god!
* Revolutionary left mentality: tear down the established order but no rebuilding proposal.
* Nihilism as its own goal: see anti-identity
* Individualist: see anti-identity, egoism

Interzone / Re: Liberals are just secular Christians
« on: September 10, 2009, 11:21:56 PM »
So cruelty is fine, normal and natural but kindness is not?

Here's why I believe you have a strawman argument. I'll even play devil's advocate in the interests of audi alteram partem.

The Romans were kind as such toward their own, the imperial in-group. Cruelty as such was for the out-group like degenerated Carthage, the barbarians, etc.

But the idea that all of it was cruelty, or all of it was kindness is itself absolutist, perhaps also deconstrictive. A culture arrives at a set of standards and treats those who meet, exemplify (hero), or defy (enemy) these standards accordingly. For the Romans and others, it is a values judgement having different outcomes depending on a given instance.

Metal / Re: National Day of Slayer
« on: September 05, 2009, 01:17:15 AM »
9/9/9 is almost upon us. This is another International Day of Slayer event.

Interzone / Re: Objective quality of music
« on: September 04, 2009, 01:53:26 AM »
With the ongoing Ritual flame fest at the other domain, personal motives bubble to the surface. The band's rep has alluded several times to two central ideals: popularity and money. These motives, the processing within the musician, must influence if not essentially shape the artistic or entertainment output the individual offers us. Can a producer of work reveal for everyone, via third party analysis or interrogation, an objective quality of their output? I'm seeing it for myself as a non-participant.

Interzone / Re: Ignore the negative, pursue the uplifting
« on: September 03, 2009, 04:38:02 AM »
Thrash, like late punk and all rock music, was often thick with lefty humanism.

Sepultura, Testament, Napalm Death, Obituary are among the big offenders. Contrast with Bolt Thrower's war anthems with war as an eternal place, or as a god that summons hapless mankind to engage with it. Metal is a sacred place for awe, not a platform for sniveling.

Interzone / Re: Questions on Individualism
« on: August 31, 2009, 02:40:10 PM »
If I've overstated my case, it's not by a wide margin.

My fault for not being clear.

Causation: fertility and immigration increases numbers, thus increasing the side effects that come about. In other words diversity amplifies itself over time.
Symptom: diversity as a symptom of the unbinding of a society's unity and loss of direction.

The problem with this is that you tout NASA as some shining example of Northern European solidarity but ignore more glaring historical examples like the fractious pettiness of the Holy Roman Empire or late medieval France (not as strong as an example, but the point stands), whose constituent peoples' cultural kinship was closer than Americans to Germans.

Okay, you're giving an example of diversity playing a major role in dissolving unity and direction. Diversity isn't singularly reducible to kinship.

I don't think demographics have as big a role to play in fostering (an imposed) unity of purpose or what have you.

Strawman thrashing. See previous.

Interzone / Re: Faking it
« on: August 30, 2009, 08:09:17 PM »
Old, old news. http://www.anus.com/metal/about/letters/

Crowd never changes. Lock them up in collective farm gulags picking turnips so we can get on with excellence.

Interzone / Re: Metal and Romanticism
« on: August 30, 2009, 02:12:59 PM »
Similarly, even if you take into account the sometimes privileged backgrounds of the Romantic artists, you will see that it was fundamentally a socialist movement closely related to the arts and crafts ideals of workers as artisans and not labourers.

A worker caste should be artisans looking to excel for love of their craft, not scrape by in resentment paycheck to paycheck. What need is there for keeping dedicated lumpenprole labor? If man should make anything, let it be excellence, never mediocre. Let machines mass produce a few simple things like drainage pipes or ditch excavation; they're soulless anyway.

Metal / Re: Greatest metal FAILs of all time
« on: August 28, 2009, 04:10:36 AM »
"Ram It Down"? Not "Turbo"?!

Turbo was a hard rock experiment for them. It wasn't half bad as such, but it certainly wasn't a metal album by any measure.

For their day, Screaming For Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith were rivaled only by Iron Maiden's Piece Of Mind and Powerslave and to an extent also Ozzy and Dio's releases. The mid-late eighties were the end of heavy metal's dominion and the rise of death metal. The change was in the air around 1986 and fully realized within the next couple years. The old metal heads at the time split into hard rockers adrift who didn't get it and the fewer dedicated Hessians who did.

Interzone / Re: Questions on Individualism
« on: August 28, 2009, 01:18:58 AM »
No shit there needs to be some degree of cultural common ground for humans to work together functionally but a society's success isn't reducible to its ethnic homogeneity or diversity and citing Apollo 11 doesn't really say anything other than that American rocket scientists borrowed a German dude's notes.

Nobody has reduced failure to diversity. Diversity splits a civilization's interests into different directions, where before it was one. One of these directions is commerce as an apolitical engine that overtakes cultures because it consumes everyone's time and energy, yet also encourages foreigners to join in as traders, buyers or labor. This creates a cycle doesn't it? So, diversity is like one of the larger gears turning in the wrong direction, not really like a minor static component.

Interzone / Re: Questions on Individualism
« on: August 27, 2009, 01:31:57 AM »
This is taken for granted but there's a defeaning silence when it comes to listing examples.

No, the examples have been given exhaustively. There is a chronic problem of intellectual fraud in that people are given their "proof" and soon after deny that they were given any proof. This isn't the way to win your challenge - it's the way to approach people in bad faith.

Another well worn example: the German-American foundation and greatest achievements of NASA. These are people of like kind coming together in an original, pioneering effort to build and explore things that were previously unknown to mankind. This isn't a unique example of such a feat in history. Shall we move on to the Chinese or proceed with the Indo-Europeans? You know what? Do your own homework.

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