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Interzone / Re: It's cool to be out of touch
« on: June 24, 2009, 03:32:45 PM »
Most of our cool 21st century gadgets are now engineered to exploit the end user, multiplying the value of the object to the seller with invisible costs to you. Tracking end user behavioural metrics while sharing your clock cycles and bandwidth is a big one in modern computing. You lose endless milliseconds of computing time constantly and the tracker sells your metrics to a third party. You get nothing back in return and the stolen time each day cannot be relived via time travel. Disconnecting from such excesses is like pulling parasites off your body. There are always better things in life than cool gadgets.

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Interzone / Re: Can Life Prevail? by Pentti Linkola
« on: June 23, 2009, 04:57:13 PM »
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In response to the coming impact of peak oil, John Michael Greer helps us envision the transition from an industrial society to a sustainable ecotechnic world - not returning to the past, but creating a society that supports relatively advanced technology on a sustainable resource base.

The use of dissensus here is akin to pan-nationalism, or more broadly, autonomous micro-states to replace the interdependent modern empire states. Most of the various approaches are dead ends, but they remain historically recursive. The idea with dissensus, pan-nationalism or micro-states is that failure is always allowed room, but it is unable to ever dominate the whole. The price is that success is also always limited to its own place.

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Human societies, like ecosystems, evolve in complex and unpredictable ways, making it futile to try to impose rigid ideological forms on the patterns of evolutionary change. Instead, social change must explore many pathways over which we have no control. The troubling and exhilarating prospect of an open-ended future, he proposes, requires dissensus - a deliberate acceptance of radical diversity that widens the range of potential approaches to infinity.

http://www.newsociety.com/bookid/4051

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Interzone / Re: God is dead, and we have killed him.
« on: June 23, 2009, 02:51:54 PM »
Category 2 is the "civic religion of multiculturalism and antifascism" commonplace in this hemisphere.

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Interzone / Re: God is dead, and we have killed him.
« on: June 23, 2009, 01:39:56 PM »
If I'm understanding accurately, we are naturally driven to understand ourselves. The best way to do so is in a holistic manner by including the context/world/reality where we find ourselves. Perhaps there is a heirarchy of understanding ourselves, much like that heirarchy of religious belief systems.

1. holistic, non-anthropocentric = non-modern or traditional thinking
2. holistic, anthropocentric = smarter lefty moderns and Judeo-Christians
3. atomized, anthropocentric = average modern person
4. comatose or mentally retarded

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Interzone / Re: God is dead, and we have killed him.
« on: June 20, 2009, 10:46:02 PM »
If I'm missing the point of the topic, then may I ask, what does God represent that has died and should be replaced?

You're asking exactly the right question. Jehovah is compost, but having a god remains. So, what's our god now? I believe you've answered it in your post: our own selves. The reason why the results radically differ from what your alternate future description suggests is that each person involved is really not of Napoleonic or Nietzschean quality individually. They're rather average at best. We can observe the modern world, with every humanzee fantasizing that he is important and capable (he isn't), with himself his only god. Put mildly, the results are disappointing with very few exceptions.

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Interzone / Re: The Bible as an environmentalist text
« on: June 13, 2009, 09:49:57 PM »
Like nationalism in later parts of the Bible, responsible stewardship of the Earth and living things is implied in Genesis. But like New Age Christian humanism and Marxism disguised now in One World God antinationalism tracts, the words are bent to fit whatever selfish short term pursuits the mercantilist interests see fit to fund. The merchant caste is running amok because our warriors too seldom make an appearance or are incarcerated in supermax and our thinkers are reduced to taking up their slack with a strong show of words.

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Interzone / Re: Who's who in hell from the Judeo-Christian pantheon
« on: June 03, 2009, 02:55:23 AM »
Some person or persons during the very beginnings of civilization (Mesopotamia, Sumer, Babylon) had enough luxury time to create a mythical pantheon in such detail that major world religions would spring out of it. These would later dominate half the world, today. But, history and science today are laying their own foundations for dominion.

Another site with a similar list http://www.djmcadam.com/demons.htm

These are fascinating beliefs made by who I consider other people that are also part of Western Civilization. Still, my own ancestors did not create feverish Heaven, Hell, angels and demons myths as such. Mine were more earthy, seasonal, pastoral, warlike and ancestral in belief. In metal terms, we are more akin to Summoning, Graveland and Burzum, much less the satanic stuff.

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Interzone / Who's who in hell from the Judeo-Christian pantheon
« on: June 02, 2009, 10:10:31 PM »
Several metal names to be found here.

Abaddon   King of Demons. Better known by his Greek name Apollyon.
Abigor                 A horseman with a lance and scepter, commanding 60 legions of devils.
Adramelech   Chancellor of Hell and President of The High Council of Devils.
Aguares   Grand Duke of Eastern Hell, commanding 30 legions of devils.
Alocer                 Grand Duke of Hell, commanding 36 legions of devils.
Amduscias   Grand Duke of Hell, commanding 29 legions, popular with black magicians.
Andras                 Marquis of Hell, commanding 30 legions of devils.
Asmodeus   Head of the Casinos of Hell, banished to the desert by Raphael.
Astaroth   Grand Duke of Western Hell, Lord Treasurer of Hell.
Astarte                 One of a number of heathen gods and goddesses sometimes consigned to Hell.
Aym                 Grand Duke of Hell, commanding 26 legions of demons. Also Haborym.
Ayperos   Prince of Hell, commanding 36 legions of devils.
Azazel                 Standard Bearer of the armies of Hell. Also Satanael.
Baal                 Commanding General of the Infernal Armies.
Baalberith   Chief Secretary and Archivist of Hell, a second-order demon. Also Berith.
Balan                 Prince of Hell.
Bearded Demon, the   His name cannot be given lest people deal with him in search of the Philosopher's Stone (as King Solomon and Paracelsus are said to have done).

Beelzebub   Prince of Demons, Lord of the Flies, second only to Satan.
Belial                Prince of Trickery, Demon of Sodomy, sometimes called The Antichrist. It is likely he is also the one called Zephar by the German demonologist Weir.
Belphegor   Demon of Ingenious Discoveries and Wealth.
Buer                 Second-order demon but commanding 50 legions of devils.
Caym                Grand President of Hell
Charon                 Boatman of Hell who ferries souls across the Styx or Archeron
Chax                 Grand Duke of Hell. Also Scox.
Cresil                 Demon of impurity and slovenliness (according to Sebastien Michaelis, 1613).
Dagon                 Baker of Hell, member of the House of Princes.
Eurynomus   Prince of Hell who feeds on corpses.
Furfur                 Count of Hell, commanding 26 legions of demons.
Geryon                 Giant centaur who (Dante said) guards Hell. Others say the guardian is a dragon.
Hecate                Queen of the witches.
Jezebeth   Demon of Falsehoods.
Kasdeya   According to The Book of Enoch (LXIX:12) 'the fifth Satan.'
Kobal                Entertainment Director of Hell, patron of comedians
Leonard   Inspector-General of Black Magic and Sorcery, The Great Negro of the witches' sabbats as a giant black goat. In Germany, Urian.
Leviathan   Grand Admiral of Hell; androgynous, he is said to have seduced both Adam and Eve.
Lilith                 Princess of Hell, first wife of Adam.
Malphas   Grand President of Hell, commanding 40 legions of devils. Same as Caym?
Mammon   A word misunderstood was personified as the Demon of Avarice.
Mastema   Leader of the offspring of fallen angels by human beings.
Melchom   Treasurer of the House of the Princes of Hell.
Mephistopheles   In some versions, servant of Lucifer, in others, The Devil himself.
Merihim                Prince of Pestilence.
Moloch                Another demon inherited from Jewish belief.
Mullin                Servant of the House of Princes, lieutenant to Leonard.
Murmur                Count of Hell, Demon of Music.
Naburus   Marquis of Hell, connected with Cerberus.
Nergal                Chief of Secret Police of Hell, a second-order demon, married to Allotu.
Nybras                Grand Publicist of the Pleasures of Hell, an inferior demon.
Nysrogh   Chief of the House of Princes of Hell, a second order demon.
Orias                Marquis of Hell, Demon of Diabolic Astrologers and Diviners.
Orthon                A minor demon familiar to the Comte de Corasse and the Comte de Foix. Another personal demon known by name is Sybacco, rather unreliably said to have attended Adriano Lemmi, connected with the alleged Satanic-Masonic cult of Palladinism in 19th century Italy and then there are all sorts of demons (usually with French names) that possessed French nuns, etc.

Paymon     Master of Ceremonies of Hell.
Philotanus   Demon assisting Belial in furthering pederasty and sodomy.
Proserpine   In some accounts, Princess of Hell.
Pyro                Prince of Falsehood.
Raum               Count of Hell, commanding 30 legions of demons.
Rimmon               Ambassador from Hell to (Czarist) Russia, Chief Physician of Hell. Also Damas.
Ronwe               Minor demon commanding 19 legions of devils.
Samael                Angel of Death, Prince of the Air, perhaps the one who tempted Eve.
Semiazas   Chief of the Fallen Angels.
Shabriri                Demon who struck people blind. The Jews also had goat demons (Schirim, Seirim), demon monsters (Behemoth, Leviathan), and Lilim, Nazzikim, Ruchoth, and many more.
Sonneillon   Demon of Hate (Michaelis).
Succorbenoth   Chief Eunuch of the House of Princes, Demon of Gates and Jealousy.
Thamuz                Ambassador of Hell, Creator of The Holy Inquisition, Investor of Artillery.
Ukobach   Stationary Engineer of Hell, Inventor of Fireworks, maybe Cooking Out.
Uphir                Head of the HMO of Hell, Demon physician and apothecary.
Valafar                Grand Duke of Hell 'in charge' say Tondriau and Villeneuve (1972) 'of good relations among brigands.'
Verdelet   Master of Ceremonies of the House of the Princes of Hell.
Verin                Demon of Impatience.
Vetis                A devil who specializes in tempting and corrupting the holy.
Xaphan                Stokes the furnaces of Hell, a second-order demon.
Zaebos                One of the many animal-human combinations in Hebrew imitation of the Sumerians. This one is part crocodile, part human.
Zagam                Demon of Deceit and Counterfeiting. He can do Christ's first miracle, changing water into wine.

http://www.angelfire.com/realm/shades/demons/bookdevilsanddemons/ranksofhell.htm

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Metal / Re: VARG VIKERNES set free from jail
« on: May 30, 2009, 01:55:42 AM »
He's probably long since fed up with crowdists goading him to continue to do all the heavy lifting while they all look on in comfort and safety as if life is best lived vicariously through one's betters.

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Interzone / Re: Can Life Prevail? by Pentti Linkola
« on: May 28, 2009, 04:50:50 AM »
Pentti Linkola is the kind of thinker that surrounds himself with controversy. Commenting on the school massacre that took place in Finland in 2007, Linkola, as always, took the opportunity of flaming the press:

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- The massacre was too small. In the long run it doesn't help shooting some fellow students. What is needed is a larger movement to reduce the population.

http://www.corrupt.org/news/can_life_prevail_by_pentti_linkola

Doesn't look like a bitter statement to me either. That's pragmatism that understands lasting reward following uncomfortable work.

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Interzone / Eugenics for better musicians
« on: May 28, 2009, 03:12:35 AM »
In the study high music test scores were significantly associated with creative functions in music (p< .0001), suggesting composing, improvising and arranging music demands musical aptitude. Creativity is a multifactorial genetic trait involving a complex network made up of a number of genes and environment. Here was shown for the first time that the creative functions in music have a strong genetic component (h2 =.84; composing h2 =.40; arranging h2 =.46; improvising h2 = .62) in Finnish multigenerational families. Additionally the heritability estimates of the musical aptitude were remarkable.

To elucidate the neurobiological basis of music in human evolution and communication the researchers demonstrated an association of arginine vasopressin receptor 1A (AVPR1A) gene variants with musical aptitude. In the previous studies the AVPR1A gene and its homologies have been associated with social, emotional and behavioral traits, including pair bonding and parenting. The results suggest that the neurobiology of music perception and production is related to the pathways affecting intrinsic attachment behavior.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090526093925.htm

From NIHILISM and EUGENICS mailing list.

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Interzone / Re: Christian anti-humanist
« on: May 28, 2009, 03:04:58 AM »
With so much overlap, things aren't so neatly categorized. Church members and leaders remain humanistic, even if there is a larger secular counterpart. You're right about the dwindling Christian influence because modernity apparently owns Christianity. The only traditional forms are Roman Catholic to some limited extent and Greek Orthodox totally. Otherwise, a given church is little better than just another McDonalds, a Wal Mart, a YMCA, or a public school.

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Metal / Re: Smooth metal
« on: May 27, 2009, 03:56:11 AM »
The bitching is a passive substitute for actively punishing rock music entertainers who pretend they have earned metal prestige.

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Interzone / Re: Living Sustainably
« on: May 20, 2009, 04:59:58 AM »
They don't happen with the wave of a wand. Like the changing of ages, great actions are little incremental steps that grow with each success. They certainly won't take place wasting time with people off doing their own little thing all by themselves or still trying to discover their place in life. Great things together requires people who already know where they fit and who are able to cooperate in mutual effort. That's a very rare thing around here wouldn't you agree?

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Interzone / Re: Living Sustainably
« on: May 19, 2009, 09:57:44 PM »
Does anybody else here have any similar plans, or do you carry a different opinion on the future altogether?

I want to say you're jumping the gun, but that isn't really accurate. What you're practicing probably isn't necessary unless you are going to be a fugitive like Eric Rudolph or a resistance fighter should China invade similar to the movie Red Dawn.

The decline isn't a sudden crash to hunter gatherer, but more like a slow stepping down into a series of new civilizations that are gradually squeezed out from the unsustainable living we used to take for granted. This is multi-generational and I doubt we ever end up in lean-tos in the woods. Read up on what this guy believes for a more realistic perspective. http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/

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