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Metal / Re: Metal culture and "psychosis"
« on: March 28, 2009, 12:35:09 AM »
That's like saying "Bullying someone constantly won't make him a psycho. He was already a psycho so that's why he shot up the school."

Wrong on two counts. Bullying does not automatically make people psychos. It can make them passive and cowardly. It can have no effect as they learn to cope. Why? Because we are born with brains wired to take various adaptive paths of reaction according to given external stressors and stimuli. Everyone isn't born to become a predictable psycho given the same stressor. Some people are. Furthermore, listening to metal doesn't seem remotely similar to someone bullying our hypothetical psycho. It is aggressive sound, but our hypothetical psycho in this thread chooses to listen to it. Your hypothetical psycho is not choosing bullying.

In my view, "you are what you eat", mentally. I find it weird how some people think metal can affect you positively, but not also negatively. It's the same thing with peoples' general attitudes about attitudes TV here; it has the power to rot your mind, it's useless and stupid, it turns you into a dullard, but heaven forbid metal should act as a catalyst propelling someone to violence when it is, in fact, violent, dark and anti-social music.

Not buying it. People are hard wired for determined, yet fairly malleable cerebral perceptions and responses. We should be asking why people come to metal and what results from this interaction, not what metal does to people as if man is a blank slate, which is bunk science.

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Metal / Re: Metal culture and "psychosis"
« on: March 27, 2009, 08:39:13 PM »
Guns are certainly direct facilitators of fatal violence;

No gun was ever known to decide to kill someone. A hammer is quite an excellent facilitator of violence, but nobody claims possession of a hammer causes a psycho to kill someone. You're looking at what it is expected to do, not what has been done with it, but nonetheless conflating the two. Scary object = causes horrible action? Ridiculous.

The thing is, shoes can be used for a broad range of purposes from trudging through sewage to just fashion, guns have one implicit function: shooting a projectile at a target. They maximize the destructive potential of a psycho much more than shoes.

I said as much, yet guns still don't make people psychos, nor does metal, less of a direct facilitator, make psychos. A person is already messed up, then attaches themselves to zero or more of what they must think represent crazy enhancers: weapons, tools, objects, goat buggery, racism. It's stupid and yes crazy, but worse is when the ostensibly smart and sane get this all confused after viewing some sensationalist media report.

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Metal / Re: Metal culture and "psychosis"
« on: March 27, 2009, 07:25:26 PM »
For purposes of this discussion, metal is like guns. Guns don't kill people and metal doesn't cause psychosis. I've also heard that nazism, satanism, being a dictator and having wealth cause psychosis. Nonsense. The crazy person comes first, then attaches themselves to a symbol or tool that seems to them able to magnify their own ability to project willpower or forcefulness onto the external.

We have easy access to a great volume of information today, so it is more commonplace than ever before to see reports about psychos all over the world. Sometimes we hear they have a hobby or interest that happens to contain some extreme elements. This is coincidental to the extreme behaviour of the psycho, but it sounds like a more sensational news report for its inclusion. This is why we never hear questions about shoes, television, cars and houses causing psychosis. There is nothing considered extreme or powerful or evil about such objects, yet every other psycho uses them.

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Metal / Re: Metal is Entertainment
« on: March 26, 2009, 02:40:22 PM »
Corrupt did a good job with this chart. http://www.corrupt.org/act/philosophy/

The OP started with a single axis having entertainment and art at the polar extremes. With two or three more axis, we'd find a more realistic coordinate field for where someone finds themselves with regards to metal. You could bisect the first axis with a romanticist and realist axis, further splitting the two with yet another for a 3D array of cubic fields.

Finally, we have a fourth temporal axis, which even the best desktop web publishing software cannot represent without evoking multiple instances of different 3D graphs. This one indicates the definitions of the polar terms during different eras in history. For example, Shakespeare's play audience's view of entertainment might be art by our standards today.

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Interzone / Re: Most smart people render themselves ineffective
« on: March 20, 2009, 03:12:18 AM »
Smart seems at times used loosely to mean someone who has potential and the means to apply it. By implication, this is most often someone having above average intelligence. But it could also mean a hero who perceives opportunity/necessity, acts decisively in the face of risk and is in the end successful like this postal worker. Aren't there also spirited musicians who make the world less suck, more worthwhile? That's a smart thing to do too.

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Interzone / Re: Postmodern Americanism ethos is humanist mythos
« on: March 17, 2009, 08:49:36 PM »
Wealth and technology, that symbiotic pair, have enabled us the luxury to pursue atomized wants. Life is no longer sheer survival each hour on a frozen landscape during an ice age. History between the opulence and desperate subsistence states gives many examples, or possible ways that civilizations were oriented toward other than personal wants and urgent need. Things greater than humanity are that which humanity did not create and cannot control, yet must experience, even to marvel at for inspiration or adapt to for growth in evolution and wisdom. The changing seasons and weather, celestial objects, the passage of time and death, natural beauty and life, are some things greater than humanity.

It seems that past societies made eternal things gods or God, placing them above humanity and according these powers reverence in local customs as befit diverse, separated cultures. Now, for those not utterly lost to modernity, we are reduced to admiring the sagas, the architecture, the sculptures, the valuable lessons, produced by those who came before, because they, unlike us, were awed and inspired by eternal things bigger than humans. We are stagnant and decaying and it shows. Affordable iPods, decades of free time before the TV and the right to vote for legalized gay sex in public parks is not worth the price of the loss of our collective awe toward great eternal things and the resulting strengthening our bodies, minds and cultures undertook as a result.

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Interzone / Re: The British and war
« on: March 15, 2009, 11:33:50 PM »
American soldiers do it different. The officers and NCOs will get steaming mad, barking and insisting in the midst of battle. The British and Americans, respectively, had and have two different styles of morale management for combat in particular. The British wished to appear calm so the men's morale would not break. The American leadership wants to appear more dangerous to the fighting men than the enemy ahead, which is a push method.

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Metal / Re: Listen to new GRAVELAND material 08/09
« on: March 13, 2009, 01:26:21 PM »
Fire Chariot and Atlantean Monument were pivotal moments, like taking an army on a victorious conquest. He does seem to be casting about, as if asking, "where next to conquer?"

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Interzone / Metal-spirited nationalists in history
« on: March 12, 2009, 02:08:36 AM »
The Legion of Romania was founded by Corneliu Zelea Codreanu in 1927. In 1930, the Iron Guard was formed as a paramilitary wing of the Legion. In 1935 the Legion was renamed Everything for the Country, sometimes translated Everything for Fatherland or Motherland.

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The movement's leader, Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, was a religious mystic who aimed at a spiritual resurrection for the nation. [2] According to Codreanu's heterodox philosophy, human life was a sinful, violent political war, which would ultimately be transcended by the spiritual nation. In this schema, the Legionnaire might have to perform fanatical and violent actions that would condemn him to damnation- which was considered the ultimate sacrifice for the nation![2] In addition to its regenerative nationalism and heretical-Christian doctrines, the Legion promulgated a biological conception of the Romanian nation.[2] Like many fascist movements, the Legion called for a revolutionary "new man". As for economics, there was no straightforward program, but the Legion generally promoted the idea of a communal or national economy, rejecting capitalism as overly materialistic.[2] The movement considered its main enemies to be present political leaders and the Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Guard

Post WWI Romania probably saw itself fated to become a rural backwater anachronism amidst an industrializing Europe that was adopting modern warfare capability. So, its leadership decided to whore its land and people to internationalists and bankers; our forever wandering global mercantile caste. The result, like in so many nations, was the rise of a nationalist, "For Our Land and People" type party with a violent paramilitary wing. It is interesting that the Iron Guard incorporated mysticism drawn from "heretical" modifications of Orthodox Christianity.

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The mysticism of the Legion led to a cult of death, martyrdom, violence, and self-sacrifice. Its action squads were called echipa morţii, or "death squads".[2] A chapter of the Legion was called a cuib, or "nest," and was arranged around the virtues of discipline, work, silence, education, mutual, aid, and honor. These groups observed rituals that included writing oaths in blood and drinking blood.[2]

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Interzone / Re: Postmodern Americanism ethos is humanist mythos
« on: February 27, 2009, 05:59:35 PM »
You're overreacting.

1) I did not deny that Jefferson's best intentions were only aimed at the European colonial stock and their posterity.
2) I did not state anything about uncorrupted British aristocracy of the time. You're beating that strawman all by yourself.

So, the spirit or intent of the words of the angry rebels has been twisted into new laws to serve modern interests. Dr. Sunic's book's thesis is as follows: The genealogy of early Calvinist Puritanism mixed with the techno-scientific religion of boundless economic progress and legally veiled in the obscure para-Biblical and Jewish-inspired sense of political self-chosenness, created a system that has little in common with its original design.

Nonetheless, I disagree with Jefferson's Judeo-Christian belief in the Creation of Equal English colonials because it is false, because it is anything but self-evident then as now. Why? Because the evidence indicates we evolved, not that we were created and furthermore there is no metric by which we can demonstrate the universal equality of any or all men; not height, not weight, not intelligence, not character, not fitness, not anything. There is nothing but legislation upon blind faith contra all real facts we have been able to access and the resulting disorganization this myth-ethos causes.

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Interzone / Postmodern Americanism ethos is humanist mythos
« on: February 27, 2009, 05:38:04 AM »
Belief in the sacrosanctity of the human animal finds its origins in the US Declaration of Independence, where Thomas Jefferson, defiant toward the pre-modern Divine Right of Kings belief writes, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

This statement and why Jefferson made it (angry rebel) is key to understanding postmodern Americanism, the faith-based anticulture movement that has swallowed Western Europe and Australia and threatens nations of the Asian Pacific Rim (Japan, Taiwan, South Korea) with its dissolution into historic-hereditary-cultural mediocrity.

Secular humanism, it can be reasonbly argued, is the official state religion of the Western Hemisphere and its close trading partners beyond. It is a religion because its adherents have agreed to set aside fact in favor of myth so that the institution's (the human animal is the center of the universe, or, anthrocentricism) ethos, or civilizational moral foundation, as a whole, may retain integrity, or at minimum, the illusion thereof.

What's needed is a sane foundational replacement for modern civilization, one that isn't mired in the error of an endless self-referential loop, but like those great civilizations of old, and those of the future, sets its sights beyond itself (liberal democracy) or its component parts (human animals).

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Interzone / Re: Archaic video games
« on: February 14, 2009, 11:46:37 PM »
See how far back video games and their controversy goes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Race_(1976_game)

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Shopenhauer, in reference to our seeking mates, posited an opposites attract theory. He claimed, as our mocha-race enthusiast interpreters in academia proffer, that we look for a mate that will cancel out our own shortcomings, or fill in the genetic gaps, resulting in more perfected offspring. He cited different colored races interbreeding for an example. It seems to me that Shopenhauer and Nietzsche were exploring (or dangerously experimenting with) Europe's ongoing, but now completely defunct Africa colonization of the time and the possibilities that would unfold in the proximate racial nexus therein.

Well, if these men were correct, using as a standard the former NSDAP Germans and German-Americans (purebreeds lacking diversity, thus having genetic gaps) who launched mankind from terra-firma to moon in about a decade's planning, we should expect our own American hybrid leader, possible Overman according to Nietzsche, definite Overman by popular global consensus, to spawn us a colony or two and a terraforming project on Mars.

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Metal / Re: Metal Maniacs and Metal Edge magazines to shut down
« on: February 04, 2009, 08:31:35 PM »
I last saw one of those magazines when they mostly featured Ozzy, Priest, Maiden, Dio. The popular appeal formula is supposed to work for selling low quality in bulk to innumerable consumers, provided each has extra disposable income. Take away the spare cash from each and the formula clearly fails. They should have instead made a magazine of such quality that people in tough economic times would beg, kill and steal to have a little cash for the latest issue.

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Interzone / Re: A return to 1815 is the way forward for Europe
« on: February 04, 2009, 12:26:46 AM »
Let's be realistic. Once major "progress" is made in society, particularly in terms of technology, it's next to impossible to go back. When agriculture came and spread around the Middle East and Europe originally, NO ONE ever went back to hunting and gathering. A "return" to 1815 is absurd in every sense.

Ancient Greece went through a period of literacy, became illiterate during its dark age then again returned to literacy and high culture. Food production isn't really very analagous to a social-political restructuring. Likewise, I wouldn't state that the proliferation of automobiles means bicycling or walking could never become more common than driving cars in man's future.

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