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The first two phrases in the quote are explicit. Nietzsche clearly refers to biological heritage, stating his meaning as someone would from a couple centuries before or after the 19th. He goes on to explain that a mixed race person is very likely to be an underman type, the Epicurean or the Christian seeking soothing of the inner conflict brought on by conflicting heritage. But, he also says that from among such a demographic, a tiny minority have the potential to harness that inner conflict, turning it into greatness. He is talking about overman and underman in a larger sense, but gives our potential query, "but what about mixed race people?" a place within that larger context. I'm sure he does so with other specific demographics or social strata like the aristocracy or the working class.

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Metal / Re: Hipsters are destroying metal
« on: January 31, 2009, 03:20:01 PM »
Hipsters are just another recurring personality type forever issuing from the human genome and manifesting as bothersome oversocializers. The problem is the modern assumption that anyone can be anything in society. Sure, they can, but how effective is such wanton liberty on the whole in the long run? Should our civilizations and cultures always be lead by the hipster type worming its way into and eventually dominating/crowding roles that to the hipster are the most popular-seeming, but to the rest of us are much more vital, like CEO, board chairman, general, senator, judge, archpriest or university president - leaders and shapers of the present and future? Probably not.

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ESFP

People-oriented and fun-loving, they make things more fun for others by their enjoyment. Living for the moment, they love new experiences. They dislike theory and impersonal analysis. Interested in serving others. Likely to be the center of attention in social situations. Well-developed common sense and practical ability.

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ENFJ

Popular and sensitive, with outstanding people skills. Externally focused, with real concern for how others think and feel. Usually dislike being alone. They see everything from the human angle, and dislike impersonal analysis. Very effective at managing people issues, and leading group discussions. Interested in serving others, and probably place the needs of others over their own needs.

http://www.personalitypage.com/high-level.html

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Metal / Re: Blackmetal and Failure
« on: January 20, 2009, 06:27:06 PM »
Where does one set the balance?

I don't know about balance, but there is a need for standards, to which personal taste needs to be set aside. For what does it tells us about someone having below standard tastes?

Setting standards requires the judgement of qualified leadership. But no less difficult is established consensus, meaning people who know we are not all equal will need to put aside some of their individualism impulses and defer to the most learned who have been around metal music for a long time.

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Interzone / Re: Literature for the remnant
« on: January 19, 2009, 10:22:28 PM »
Sometimes I get the uneasiness felt by Donald Sutherland's character during the last half of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers, or like Roddy Piper's character in They Live. But then I find others in everyday life are outsiders to some extent and few are fully immersed. It is as if society as it is has begun to take on a life of its own and the people within are hapless cogs experiencing the stresses of torque and friction, to lesser or greater extent, as the system grinds along its downward course.

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Interzone / Re: How to get ANUS publically accepted
« on: January 17, 2009, 07:14:25 PM »
I found out, hilariously, that many places list us as a HATE SITE for the Altar of Unholy Blasphemy.

I looked into this and found some outside opinions.

valid concern:
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Is this stuff really for anything or just against something.
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If a person really wants to know what is wrong with today's Christian Church and leadership, ask a Church Leader.

http://current.com/items/89177676/the_altar_of_unholy_blasphemy_the_complaint_against_jehovah_the_judeo_christian_deity.htm

What? Ask church leadership what is wrong with themselves because they know their system better than anyone. Why then do they fail to act? Maybe church leadership is satisfied and complacent; I.E. they're fine, in their view. Hypothesis: they shirk taking responsibility for leadership and their own system's failure by blaming the devil, worldly people, heavy metal etc. I.E. in denial.

garbled site review:
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The Altar of Unholy Blasphemy uses apostate technologies and blasphemy to destroy Judeo-Christian moralism and judgmentalism, favoring transcendental blasphemy with unrepentant apostasy as the fist of Satanism as violent heresy in the face of insane religions dominating the world with their weakness.

http://www.einet.net/review/48775-624574/Altar_of_Unholy_Blasphemy_Heretical_Degradation_of_The_Christian_Lord_From_the_Feral_Will_of.htm

Perhaps this is what happened with metal as well. Most people don't "get it", or only clearly perceive the parts that are not garbled by the personal interpretive layers they cling to. The drive for broad exposure might then work best by thinking of a trawler at sea. You cast a large net knowing that most of the catch will need to be thrown out / ignored, but keep / speak to only the best few within the mass.

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Interzone / Re: Hessianism: list of active ideas
« on: January 14, 2009, 03:49:48 PM »
Hessians Against Rock Music

This could be a web page position statement similar in format to Metalheads Against Humanism, or something more.

General Concerns

1) mass marketing and commercialization of performing arts
2) noise pollution of blaring public radio stations with 20 minutes of advertisements spliced together with 4 minute rock music snippets
3) appealing to boomer and gen-x late 60s to 80s youthful party years nostalgia to soften them up for consumer product marketing ads
4) non-controversial yet hip-appearing background noise while laboring or shopping as your foreground focus
5) classic rock stations replaying the same 50 tired songs all day decade after decade
6) keep metal out of rock music radio commercialization; metalheads disown and shun rock music

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Interzone / Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
« on: January 12, 2009, 12:30:38 AM »
This only leaves the “very superior” intelligence category, or roughly 10% of the population. But why stop there?

Some eco-extremists, writers and academics have suggested half a billion humans on Earth as an ideal quantity for sustainable modern + conservationist societies worldwide. That ten percent would get us down to 660 million or so - pretty close. So, the 120 and above did not originate with the local Throne group, nor is there only one factor considered for it. There are two profound considerations for the 500 million population ideal: quality of human society and quality of natural environment.

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Metal / Re: Ancient Roman battlefield alters history books
« on: January 09, 2009, 03:36:11 PM »
The common menfolk of German, Gallic, and Celtic antiquity were all expected to bear arms and make war when called for unless they were crippled. When not warring (usually), they would default to craftsmanship, agriculture or family-rearing activity. The common Roman soldier, not producing or family-making as much, was paid to serve the state for his term in the army (20 years?), returning to farm, family and retirement only afterward. There is a lot of contrast between the cultures. The former had low overhead for keeping fighting men available. For Rome, the relative cost for maintaining standing legions would be higher, which seems less efficient, more burdensome for a society's integrity and wealth. In Rome, aside from the captive gladiators, the only civilian warrior culture would be an underclass rabble of street gangs with clubs and knives. America seems to parallel Rome's course in several ways.

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Interzone / Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
« on: January 08, 2009, 05:44:52 AM »
Fact is, we need these people.

We keep seeing this assertion, but nobody can justify it. Why does humanity need anyone under one standard deviation? We aren't ants.

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The reason we don't see queen ants destroying the 'inferior' worker ants is because they needed them.

This is a natural law fallacy.

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We didn't see the Romans exterminating their slaves either, though ironically a system of eugenics was in place and it didn't save the empire.

Neither did slaves save the empire. Empire is its own problem

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Overpopulation doesn't mandate extermination either - a one child or similar policy could solve that.

We don't need morons does not mean kill them all. Weed them out over generations, forever, or send them all to a newly walled-off Las Vegas. Who cares? Separate and disown.

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Let's consider something else: what if certain technology is to be developed to raise everyone's IQ to a standardized level, say 140?

Why adopt another Viagra Solution when smart, handsome and healthy people have always been born without Viagra Solutions?

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Genetics would be irrelevant to ability if everyone could be Mozart at will. Not to mention that low intelligence may have an unknown role in the future. Someone mentioned the genetic linking of finger length to intelligence. What if stupidity becomes linked to a latent, undeveloped human ability, say ESP or survival in space? Seems improbable perhaps, but imagine that the first proto-human fishes to develop legs and a respiratory system were lost. Point is, there are far too many unknowns to be acting right now on arrogant assumptions.

Maybe we need dictatorial decisiveness for a change instead of more democratic deliberation taking us nowhere as usual. What happened to bravery and sense of adventure?

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Interzone / Re: Most important issue for metalheads to face
« on: January 01, 2009, 05:46:56 PM »
ASBO on fire!  On the one hand acceptance, but on the other hand resistance.  FIRST acceptance, THEN resistance.  It's like lifting weights or breathing.  Acknowledge gravity, but then resist gravity.  Resistance = creativity.

Joy in engaging with life's eternal struggle, an ancient value, contrasts against modern society's popular beliefs. This is the algorithm of nature where success in struggle results in prolific healthy life and the sickly perish from our midst (read: not equal). We can see the modern struggle against nature's own algorithm resulting in a planet packed with slobs, retards and neurotic dysfunctionals on medication crowding out what remains of beauty and brilliance today.

ASBO has the best solution that can recode civilization to stop its malfunctioning process. The solution does require both word and deed to set an example for others to follow. There is no messiah coming to fix the mess. Only those who comprehend the problem statement and its solution, some of you, will get society back on track.

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Interzone / Re: Class conflict in metal
« on: December 31, 2008, 08:16:29 PM »
Here we trod close to nature vs. nurture politics. The many great Scandinavian bands likely did well due to having a society of widespread affluence supporting their endeavors, true, yet at the root of this is people of Scandinavian decent who made such a society and some of the resulting metal excellence it produced for the world.

In contrast is Brazil, where affluence is not widespread, but rather concentrated among the tiny minority European-descended ownership class from which its only notable metal band Sepultura arose.

The overall pattern is that metal is an overwhelmingly native and colonial European-heritage phenomenon forged in both the tangible benefits and observable failures of modern Western society. The metal music phenomenon is like an antibody reaction in an otherwise strong organism that has but recently fallen very ill.

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Interzone / Re: Metal junkyard
« on: December 24, 2008, 05:20:44 PM »
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Last but not least, the lyrics of a three-minute song are neither William Shakespeare verses nor Henry James novels, despite what most songwriters and most of their reviewers may think. Listening to a new three-minute song invariably meant listening to yet another bad example of storytelling or bad example of poetry oversold by reviewers as meaningful, poignant, touching, thrilling...

Already lamented here http://www.anus.com/metal/hall/index.php/topic,1094.0.html

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Interzone / Re: College
« on: December 11, 2008, 04:09:44 PM »
You're building esoteric knowledge to attract those who will make the next civilization.

Owning the future, rather than letting the crowd and its mass brain damage continue to possess it, is the goal.

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The more people you let through any conduit to success, the less each will be worth.

When women started working, doubling the work force, salaries effectively declined with the value of currency.

Now that we're handing just about anyone a college degree, having a college degree isn't a big deal anymore -- and so it doesn't translate to salary.

http://www.corrupt.org/news/why_are_college_degrees_less_valuable

Still, with a degree, you'll have documented lifelong credibility, an asset, that something like 19 out of 20 people worldwide will lack.

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Interzone / Why well educated dullards fear ANUS
« on: December 09, 2008, 01:45:16 AM »
A comment from reddit

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I'm sorry I deleted my post. I wouldn't have if I thought someone was replying to it. For reference, I argued that the author's premise that the strong must subjugate the weak or the weak will subjugate the strong was a 'false dichotomy' fallacy. And I concluded that this invalidated his argument.

My point that the author's premise was a dichotomy was a valid one. No where in his argument does he allude to the possibility that there may be conclusions which don't require one group to subjugate the other. Perhaps you are arguing that the authors position is a true dichotomy, but my characterization was still accurate even if my conclusion was wrong.

That's as far as I will go with logic games with you. You seem to idealize societies that were based on the belief of some people being born less human and less deserving of rights than others, and you seem to believe that class is biologically innate.

These beliefs disgust me, and I have no intention of showing them the respect that logic discourse would lend them.

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7evlc/how_listening_to_the_crowd_leads_to_a_nanny_state/c06h3b9

Problems:

1) Emotional overreaction / underconfidence deleting own post then apologizing for misbehaviour
2) Beating the tired "strong subjugating the weak" and "some people being born less human and less deserving of rights" strawman, the latter was not at all stated or implied anywhere. Actually, when in all of history and natural science has strong subjugating the weak never been an empirical rule by the way? Why not change society to make the rule work more benevolently instead of crazily pretending inequality doesn't exist while blind to society's ludicrous money and popularity supremacist game?
3) Not once justifying or providing examples of egalitarian / interchangeable human sameness beliefs, indicating they are no more than an insubstantive mass fantasy ideology espoused by the dysfunctional millstones around society's neck

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Interzone / Re: Definition of masterpiece is relative
« on: November 29, 2008, 03:28:32 PM »
Use master morality. The term masterpiece, like nihilism and nationalism, should be reclaimed from the crowd. Don't let a diseased civilization own any great ideas. That's like letting the swine trample the pearls into the mud.

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