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Metal / Re: Influences driving the evolution of metal
« on: April 18, 2009, 03:19:21 AM »
There are differences between breaking ground, optimal instance, standard, and emulation. The first two are quality works with the first a pioneer generation and the latter the settlers who come to inhabit. D.R.I. with the crossover era were pioneers for thrash and an optimal instance of punk + metal hybridization. Demilich is an optimal or perfected instance of the already established death metal frontier.

Standard death metal would be other listenable death metal bands who generally seem to "get it".

Emulation are rockers with any combination of growling vocals, lots of rapid percussion clamour, cruel or horrid lyrics and heavy chords. But somehow, you know something is missing with these, like baffled immigrants in an established land, unable to integrate making the place dumb, crude and ugly.

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Metal / Re: Metal as anti-humanism/post-Progressive
« on: April 18, 2009, 12:35:00 AM »
I believe in the intellect and in patterns, just like I believe in the world that math symbolically relates to.

It makes sense that the sacredness is with the template rather than every instance of its manifestation. There are after all product defects in manufacture off an otherwise solid blueprint, even recall programs for serious defects which would be like species extinction in this discussion. Come to think of it, even OOP uses an object template from which many instantiations of the same code can be called into memory. But, while RAM gets cleared out and the instances with it, the object template is there to be called into existence as needed again later.

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It's kind of like the so-called "problem" of Evil, which is something Christians have an awful time with. When you start thinking in a non-moralistic, non-anthropocentric way though, it's comprehensible how an absolutely benevolent God is also the author of all evil.

It is like having a construction company with a general mission to build things. But, it has a demolition department for removal of corrupted sites.

Metal's role then is to assault corruption (death metal) or stagnation (black metal) of spirit. Rockish entertainment attempts to keep such decay thriving because decline serves as its own nourishment. An uncorrupted civilization would not primarily uphold cheap entertainment/bread and circuses (falling Rome) for the unwashed masses. Meritous excellence would honored instead like during Beethoven and Mozart's time with Europe at its cultural apex for example.

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Interzone / Re: Structural realism
« on: April 08, 2009, 04:10:14 PM »
Ratatosk, the search is like a thirst that we cannot entirely quench. We can call it torment and have our leadership declare End of History for the brief illusion of satiation, or we can revel in unending struggle with setbacks and gains, realizing a purposeful living.

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Interzone / Re: Structural realism
« on: April 08, 2009, 03:48:49 AM »
We are supposed to be living for the eternal hunt, not for the kill. Not surprisingly, the ancients were on to this secret too. The Celts call it the wild hunt and the Indians refer to a happy hunting grounds. All this end of history and final theory business seems naive at this stage given our own ongoing evolution and the expansion of the universe itself. Changes in future structure put us in error today.

We're stuck or blessed to be living for an endless discovery process with no end point. The best way to manage this is to keep our goals pushed out just beyond our grasp, beyond present possibility, but grow toward them over time, experiencing the pain+gain process. It is the same with executing sets and reps, or what evolving has done for (some of) us.

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Interzone / Re: Dreams & Goals
« on: April 03, 2009, 12:37:31 PM »
No apologies for a nicely stated concept. I like your description of the humanist and hipster archetypes and their often symbiotic parasiticism, which is self-serving at its core.

1) Find or become some wretched lot in perpetual failure
2) Find good natured people around you who are productive
3) Accuse 2 of having more than 1
4) Have 2 foot the bill for 1
5) Congratulate self for Helping Humanity
6) Assure 1 remains wretched to keep the game going
7) Accuse 2 of racism or fascism when they don't want to continue playing

I'd like to see a warlord or general round up 1 and put them to work in collective farms or give them rifles and hurl them at enemies as cannon fodder.

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Interzone / Re: Is ANUS falling apart?
« on: March 31, 2009, 08:44:34 PM »
Reasoning and rationalizing seem to be two different processes. Rationalizing tempts us with the easiest or most convenient, short-term solution, i.e. Cableguy's "get 'er done". Reasoning is similar in that it also has a logical flow, but it allows for optional inputs, various processing subroutines and multiple possible outcomes in order to find the best path. The two terms are not properly synonymous.

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Interzone / Re: Is ANUS falling apart?
« on: March 31, 2009, 04:45:36 PM »
evil/stupidity is everpresent and always disguises itself in innocuous or flattering/pandering forms

English nationalist Tolkien warned us about this.

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Although Sauron long knew than Men were easier to sway, he long sought to bring the Elves into his service as they had more power So after the War of Wrath Sauron decided that the Valar had forgotten about Middle-earth and he once again turned to evil. [1]

After lying hidden and increasing his power in secret, Sauron put on a fair visage, and calling himself Annatar, the Lord of Gifts, and in S.A. 1200 he befriended the Elvish smiths of Eregion, and counselled them in arts and magic.[2] He never came to Lindon as Elrond and Gil-galad did not trust him and refused to treat with him, although they never realised who he truly was; elsewhere he was gladly received, especially in Eregion where the Elvish smiths learned much from him as their thirst for knowledge was great.[3]

Under Sauron's tutelage the Gwaith-i-Mírdain, under the leadership of Celebrimbor, grandson of Fëanor, became more skilled than anyone else, save for Fëanor himself. In the year 1500, when they reached the very height of their power, the Elves began the forging of the Rings of Power, but Sauron knew all their secrets and in 1600 - ten years after the completion of the Rings of Power - Sauron created The One Ring to control the bearers of the other Rings.[2]

But the Elves were not so easily ensnared, and as soon as Sauron put on the One Ring they and Celebrimbor were aware of him and realised they were betrayed.[3] They hid their Rings from Sauron and did not use them, but Sauron demanded that the other Rings be given to him for they would not have been without him knowledge: the Elves refused and the War of the Elves and Sauron followed.[1]

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Annatar


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Interzone / Re: Most smart people render themselves ineffective
« on: March 28, 2009, 08:30:53 PM »
how would we begin this process of 'smartening' the world? what sort of activism would promote this?

With an easily replicated system. Its instruments detect amount of brainwave activity in select regions over a few days, then determines if the subject is a pass or no go. No gos get a mysterious aneurism. Analysis and delivery system could be some kind of nanotech that spreads between people and replicates itself like a common cold or flu virus.

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Metal / Re: Metal culture and "psychosis"
« on: March 28, 2009, 12:35:09 AM »
That's like saying "Bullying someone constantly won't make him a psycho. He was already a psycho so that's why he shot up the school."

Wrong on two counts. Bullying does not automatically make people psychos. It can make them passive and cowardly. It can have no effect as they learn to cope. Why? Because we are born with brains wired to take various adaptive paths of reaction according to given external stressors and stimuli. Everyone isn't born to become a predictable psycho given the same stressor. Some people are. Furthermore, listening to metal doesn't seem remotely similar to someone bullying our hypothetical psycho. It is aggressive sound, but our hypothetical psycho in this thread chooses to listen to it. Your hypothetical psycho is not choosing bullying.

In my view, "you are what you eat", mentally. I find it weird how some people think metal can affect you positively, but not also negatively. It's the same thing with peoples' general attitudes about attitudes TV here; it has the power to rot your mind, it's useless and stupid, it turns you into a dullard, but heaven forbid metal should act as a catalyst propelling someone to violence when it is, in fact, violent, dark and anti-social music.

Not buying it. People are hard wired for determined, yet fairly malleable cerebral perceptions and responses. We should be asking why people come to metal and what results from this interaction, not what metal does to people as if man is a blank slate, which is bunk science.

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Metal / Re: Metal culture and "psychosis"
« on: March 27, 2009, 08:39:13 PM »
Guns are certainly direct facilitators of fatal violence;

No gun was ever known to decide to kill someone. A hammer is quite an excellent facilitator of violence, but nobody claims possession of a hammer causes a psycho to kill someone. You're looking at what it is expected to do, not what has been done with it, but nonetheless conflating the two. Scary object = causes horrible action? Ridiculous.

The thing is, shoes can be used for a broad range of purposes from trudging through sewage to just fashion, guns have one implicit function: shooting a projectile at a target. They maximize the destructive potential of a psycho much more than shoes.

I said as much, yet guns still don't make people psychos, nor does metal, less of a direct facilitator, make psychos. A person is already messed up, then attaches themselves to zero or more of what they must think represent crazy enhancers: weapons, tools, objects, goat buggery, racism. It's stupid and yes crazy, but worse is when the ostensibly smart and sane get this all confused after viewing some sensationalist media report.

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Metal / Re: Metal culture and "psychosis"
« on: March 27, 2009, 07:25:26 PM »
For purposes of this discussion, metal is like guns. Guns don't kill people and metal doesn't cause psychosis. I've also heard that nazism, satanism, being a dictator and having wealth cause psychosis. Nonsense. The crazy person comes first, then attaches themselves to a symbol or tool that seems to them able to magnify their own ability to project willpower or forcefulness onto the external.

We have easy access to a great volume of information today, so it is more commonplace than ever before to see reports about psychos all over the world. Sometimes we hear they have a hobby or interest that happens to contain some extreme elements. This is coincidental to the extreme behaviour of the psycho, but it sounds like a more sensational news report for its inclusion. This is why we never hear questions about shoes, television, cars and houses causing psychosis. There is nothing considered extreme or powerful or evil about such objects, yet every other psycho uses them.

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Metal / Re: Metal is Entertainment
« on: March 26, 2009, 02:40:22 PM »
Corrupt did a good job with this chart. http://www.corrupt.org/act/philosophy/

The OP started with a single axis having entertainment and art at the polar extremes. With two or three more axis, we'd find a more realistic coordinate field for where someone finds themselves with regards to metal. You could bisect the first axis with a romanticist and realist axis, further splitting the two with yet another for a 3D array of cubic fields.

Finally, we have a fourth temporal axis, which even the best desktop web publishing software cannot represent without evoking multiple instances of different 3D graphs. This one indicates the definitions of the polar terms during different eras in history. For example, Shakespeare's play audience's view of entertainment might be art by our standards today.

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Interzone / Re: Most smart people render themselves ineffective
« on: March 20, 2009, 03:12:18 AM »
Smart seems at times used loosely to mean someone who has potential and the means to apply it. By implication, this is most often someone having above average intelligence. But it could also mean a hero who perceives opportunity/necessity, acts decisively in the face of risk and is in the end successful like this postal worker. Aren't there also spirited musicians who make the world less suck, more worthwhile? That's a smart thing to do too.

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