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Metal / Re: What would a metal society look like?
« on: May 30, 2007, 11:28:00 AM »
One cent = one sensi bud. 100 buds = 1 skull.

Grow, and hew with sword, your wealth!

Metal / Re: What would a metal society look like?
« on: May 22, 2007, 06:20:21 PM »
One possibility is to use the existing system's own resources to help reshape society. The drawback is that too many metal people are withdrawn from larger society, unable to interface with and direct its energy.

This endeavor needs skilled, motivated people with a diverse array of talents or qualifications. Call it a town of the future prototype experiment, get some grants for funding and a large piece of land for building and farming. Credible, respectable people who happen to appreciate metal are the key.

Civilization gets a return on its grant investments and material donations in the form of reports and other media which demonstrates that several better alternatives to the existing society's designs are available.

The trouble with some of the thinking in this thread is with outer form, which is the 'metal society' wording in the title. The spirit of the thread is 'better alternative' to existing society and many superior possibilities are found in the spirit of metal culture.

Metal / Re: Metal as a reaction to The Enlightenment
« on: May 20, 2007, 05:49:52 PM »
From this perspective, the Enlightenment we can view as Western civilization's attempt to seek through reason a means of understanding human problems and discussing them without involving conflicting traditions, especially religious traditions, which, given the loss of unity in the Christian Church, provided no longer a continuing way of reaching a consensus.

So consensus was lost prior to the Enlightenment. Enlightenment's unfinished product was an attempt to find human answers for human problems, thereby building a new consensus. By seeking human answers to all problems, we have humanism. The present system operates on the following logic: all problems that affect us involve anthropocentric solutions.

This reminds me quite a bit of this:

Paradoxically, death metal is in praise of life, not by mourning death but by cheering its order in a time of insane delusion. I found that particularly fascinating.

Death provides a logical exit routine for each of what would otherwise be, as reproduction takes place, unsustainably more numerous endless cycles.

Metal / Re: What would a metal society look like?
« on: May 01, 2007, 08:43:51 AM »
When i say ecologically friendly i mean things like cars would be replaced with more suitable forms of transport (considering how small the territory is this makes sense).

Cloning the modern world by having "new types of cars" or new improved "other product" is not really an alternative. Our towns need to be efficiently designed so that personal transport devices are not needed by most people. Walking for a few minutes rather than driving an hour in clogged traffic might accomplish the same purpose less destructively. Towns are stupidly designed so that everyone must take on the extra expense of a petroleum burning car in order to function.

Metal / Re: Gorgoroth frontman calls for more church burni
« on: January 28, 2007, 04:00:32 PM »
An ideal future is one that excludes slaves and slave morality. Church grounds in the future might serve in a manner similar to Aushwitz today, which is supposed to memorialize a terrible place of past events standing in opposition to our desired direction. Aushwitz in the future might also be useful for something.

Metal / Re: What would a metal society look like?
« on: January 25, 2007, 08:00:01 PM »
Might as well make a democracy if you have everyone choosing leaders. Society's needs will quickly develop, becoming apparent to all and leaders will naturally respond. The successful response to society need determines fit leadership and what follows is everyone's approval. Democracy has it backwards.

Metal / Re: What would a metal society look like?
« on: January 24, 2007, 06:28:33 PM »
The unproductive would not enjoy pizza, beer and electricity every night. The unmotivated could sleep all day in the cold or heat without music. Hunger comes along real quick though.

Metal / Re: What would a metal society look like?
« on: January 23, 2007, 02:23:20 PM »
An anti-modern Hessian society would not adopt a prepackaged, freeze dried, vacuum sealed, FDA safety approved microwaveable modern government structure. Leaders would rise and the rest would follow or take an exit. The best leaders would determine rulership.

Metal / Re: Metal as revolutionary
« on: January 22, 2007, 06:12:28 PM »
In other words, these people we're simple and no where near as complicated as the white people when they came who already INVENTED new unnecessary "needs", which were all really wants.

Sounds right. They encountered our modern man subspecies, an organism unique in that it imagines the natural world is no longer necessary.

Many inventions serve to assist this organism's pretense that reality is safely held at bay. It comes as no surprise the primitive people tended to reject the relatively childish moderns.

Metal / Re: What would a metal society look like?
« on: January 16, 2007, 08:18:58 AM »
A band of savages given a portion of the island such that one day our society could make war on them.

Goodly amount of war paint to don while hunting game and savages.

This part I like. Except I would replace savages with reality show guests and crowds of other tourists from affluent societies. They can bring modern firearms and the Hessians will use blades or 17th century muzzle loaders to even the odds.

Metal / Re: Metal = Power
« on: November 30, 2006, 09:22:30 AM »
I always thought it was interesting that metal is defined by time.  Black Sabbath is the heaviest band of it's time, but if that music came out now, no one would even call it metal.  It would be stoner rock or something, even if it was exactly the same music.

I was just listening to Live Evil a couple nights ago and it is a heavy metal album, even with comparison to metal albums of today. It also occured to me that Dio had begun using what we might now identify as death metal vocals during that live album tour, possibly before. I'm pretty sure there was a thread on here about death metal vocals somewhere and where these started. Dio may be the answer.

Metal / Re: Why did punk die?
« on: November 04, 2006, 07:14:22 AM »
You speak about metal on this board as though it has a real strand of rebellion running through it. Don't make me laugh.

Metal was always more than rebellion. Why is rebellion considered some sort of noble goal? This is the activity of a peasant rabble, not intelligent visionaries who have a better way in mind.

Marches such as 'stop the city', squatting and political discussion were prevalent leading to a strong counterculture.

Yes, effectively this punk evolution was the 1960s hippie counterculture version 2. Metal offered more than only screaming about problems. Metal showed listeners another way. Punk never did this.

Metal / Re: Hessianism promoted/ attacked
« on: October 31, 2006, 02:27:31 PM »
Nice catch.

I like metal, but I`ve never revered it to the point of deluding myself into thinking it the savior of modern civilization.

People are reading "saviour of modern society" into this all by themselves, like a psychiatric patient absorbed in his own hallucination episode. The values page makes no such statement. Rather, modern society is a hopeless destructive juggernaut and when the wreckage finally hits bottom, we do not need another modern society to take its place, but rather, something healthier that is already established.

Now back to listening to my Clan of Xymox and Qntal.....


Metal / Re: Prozak's friend makes the 'news'
« on: October 15, 2006, 04:43:49 PM »
where did you get this information, because Ive watched and read a couple brief overviews of the religion, and It sounds to me like youre confusing the actual religion with the extremist spinoff beliefs.

You might try Western history for one, following that, understand that the Saudis have enough political clout to influence public perception to distribute many of those brief overviews about the actual religion to the public for their own benefit. Of course their enemies have even more public influence, having demonized muslims for decades. It is probably best to step away from all this and acknowledge that both sides are historically bringers of ruin wherever the two come into contact.

Metal / Re: How to change consumer society
« on: October 07, 2006, 07:06:48 PM »
Hold on, good things never last
Nothing's in the past, it always seems to come again
Again and again and again

Black Sabbath, Heaven and Hell, Neon Knights

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