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Interzone / Re: Post-neofolk Neofolk bands
« on: November 17, 2008, 12:31:47 PM »
Most of those bands could be listed under the umbrella term of "fusion" or "world fusion", a blend of influences and traditions from multiple cultures.  If there's rock, jazz, or electronic instruments involved, it's no longer (historically) traditional music.  Anyway, this is a fairly circular argument, since all of those styles refer back to European folk music on some level - rather than being disjoint.  And so-called traditional European folk music is not exempt from external influences - would you say the violin was invented in Norway?

Thus it doesn't bother me on principal, if folk fusion is reminiscent of jazz, but I will say that I've rarely heard this done well.  Matt Howden's project, Sieben stands out in my mind, while most of the Nordic attempts seem to fail miserably.

I know what you mean by the word "neofolk," although in my collection I use the term far more loosely.  It allows for easier organization, if I don't have 20000 separate genres :D  So in keeping with the topic of the original post, here are some diverse suggestions:

Blood Axis - incorporates many styles: classical, industrial, folk - Blót: Sacrifice in Sweden (1998)
Hagalaz' Runedance - sort of ambient folk music with pagan references - Frigga's Web (2002)
In Gowan Ring - psychedelic/progressive folk music, quite poetic - Hazel Steps Through a Weathered Home (2002)
Мельница/Melnitsa - Russian contemporary folk; alternately fun and melancholic - Перевал/Pereval (2005)
Sieben - electronic violin-driven music; intended for live improvised, one-man performance - Ogham Inside the Night (2005)
Sturmpercht - part music of the alpine region, part of their own creation; it's unique - Geister im Waldgebirg (2006)
Tenhi - Finnish progressive/folk rock; I only recommend Kauan (1999)
Vàli - instrumental acoustic music; drawing from traditional Nordic folk - Forlatt (2004)

Also I'd recommend the John Barleycorn Reborn compilation, for a collection of mostly underground folk artists, interpreting traditional British music in some surprising ways.  The label seems to have shut down.

Metal / Re: Classic Swedish death metal list
« on: November 05, 2008, 04:12:21 PM »
Paganizer - No Divine Rapture. The frontman for this is involved in Ribspreader and Demiurg also. All these bands are kind of samey to me, so this is just a representative selection. If you like it, check out his other projects.
Formed in 1998 - how classic could this possibly be? :P

Interzone / Re: A new school shooting in Finland
« on: September 23, 2008, 09:30:42 PM »
Seems this behavior would be more productive in a church, mosque, or "special needs" facility.

Metal / New FIFH compilation?
« on: September 06, 2008, 02:26:45 PM »
Supposedly released this year.  It's called "Peace Through Power".  What's the deal?  I don't find a tracklist or any information about it.  Does anyone on the forum have this?


I just wonder if it's different from this.

Interzone / Re: Metal distros worth patronizing
« on: August 11, 2008, 10:49:44 AM »
I used NuclearHell recently, due to the low prices and selection.  Everything arrived quickly and in good shape.  But I wish they had advertised somewhere on their website that the CDs will come from Russia, and are thus Russian editions.  Even though the return address listed was for the UK, the package clearly originated in Russia.  It's borderline deception really, not to specify this.  So if you want an original release and not the Russian reissues for whatever reason, look elsewhere.

Also an update on Supernal: I emailed first to confirm my order would be in-stock, to which they quickly replied, and the CD shipped fast.  So I can cautiously recommend them.

Interzone / Re: Hard to find CDs
« on: July 02, 2008, 03:36:23 PM »
When I'm finding something rare online, this is the process I use:

1. Google Shopping.  Pretty straightforward, you search various online websites including eBay all at once.  If you see a few results here, it's probably not a rare item after all :P  The problem is most distros are not included, and even eBay or Amazon are hit-and-miss.

2. Standard google search.  Actually this gets complicated, but you're searching almost every imaginable website.  Crafting your search properly is of the essence.  These days there are a lot of worthless lyrics and MP3 websites, and you probably want to avoid these.  Make sure to use quotes (") to find exact phrases and dashes (-) to exclude certain words.  The site keyword lets you search within certain domains or websites.  For example to find results of Det Frysende Nordariket which are not lyrics or MP3/download and which are from German websites, this is a possible search:
Code: [Select]
"Det Frysende Nordariket" -lyrics -review -mp3 -download site:deAnd you can do a lot more with the advanced search option.

3.  Try websites with affiliate programs.  Metal Archives and RateYourMusic, for example, have integrated searches for the likes of Amazon, eBay, Gemm, OmegaOrder, and others onto their release pages.  The rarest items will probably not be found this way, but it's worth a shot.

4. Search websites specializing in rare music: Gemm, Musicstack, CDAndLP are a few that come to mind.

5. Look for similar, more common items.  Sometimes you'll find that Google doesn't reach everywhere, but if you find one Ildjarn CD on some website, why not investigate for the exact one you want?

6. Try again later.  Don't assume that because you can't find the item today, you will not find it tomorrow.  In the past I was searching for years to find a few certain CDs, and finally I did find them by periodically searching.

7. Otherwise, as others noted, you may have to settle for a digital copy.  Occasionally even that is not easy, so you may want to search Google for decent DC hubs, but be prepared to offer a bit of your own collection, "leechers" are not tolerated as a rule.  Often you may need to formally request access and register to use the hub.

Interzone / Re: Metal distros worth patronizing
« on: July 02, 2008, 02:55:58 PM »
Beware some of the other UK distros that have nice websites and a supposedly large catalogue, but frequently fail to live up to their promises...
Hmm, can you explain this?  I found some items on Supernal that I'd like to order.

Metal / Re: International Music Score Project = back online
« on: July 02, 2008, 02:52:54 PM »
Excellent, I had only found out about the website after it closed, glad it's back!

Interzone / Re: Metal distros worth patronizing
« on: June 14, 2008, 05:52:30 PM »

Audiofile / Re: Compilations / Soundtracks / Misc.
« on: June 14, 2008, 04:12:06 PM »
Norsk Folkemusikk

Archival 10-volume compilation of folk music from all around Norway. Bitrate varies but does not greatly affect sound quality.

03 Folkemusikk frå Hedmark & 04 Folkemusikk frå Buskerud (Part 2 of 5)
07 Folkemusikk frå Rogaland og Hordaland & 08 Folkemusikk frå Sogn og Fjordane, Møre og Romsdal (Part 4 of 5)
09 Folkemusikk frå Trøndelag & 10 Folkemusikk frå Nord-Noreg og Sameland (Part 5 of 5)

Interzone / Re: So-called Positive and Negative Music
« on: May 18, 2008, 09:16:02 AM »
Typical humanism, a form of denial. If we filter out all negative, we can live on in a form of heaven called happy feelings land, and reality will be far, far away.

Wait.  Do we listen to metal because it makes us feel like shit?  At least I do not.  Yet we know that if all we wanted was music to make us feel good, there are certainly "easier" forms than metal (see the above website.)

It seems the difference is in the challenging nature of extreme music, as opposed to the affirming nature of pop music. I find the challenge exhilarating and spiritually uplifting - indeed positive.

Maybe positive is too ambiguous a word for these concepts.

Interzone / Re: Tolkien: Ecofascist?
« on: April 30, 2008, 08:30:07 PM »
Tolkien was undeniably opposed to industrialization, and particularly one of its consequences: modern warfare.  I guess part of that came from being born in the late-19th century and seeing the acceleration of environment destruction and rampant materialism take hold, and of course his service in World War I.

I believe this is why in his writing, the "good" cultures fight in the old romantic ways, with swords and bows, while the "evil" cultures use war towers, explosives, and build elaborate machinery.  Likewise, the "good" cultures are in harmony with the environment, while the "evil" cultures only care about producing armies and weapons, if it doesn't serve that purpose they destroy it.

Eco-fascist is probably too strong a word, but certainly there are some parallels.  For me, one of the deepest, most resonating passages from all his writing is the following (from LOTR):

They had come to the desolation that lay before Mordor: the lasting monument to the dark labour of its slaves that should endure when all their purposes were made void; a land defiled, diseased beyond all healing -- unless the Great Sea should enter in and wash it with oblivion.  "I feel sick," said Sam. Frodo did not speak.

Everytime I read this, I can not help but think of the places I have seen that meet this description.  I felt sick.  And now the Great Seas are in fact rising to wash us with oblivion...

Yeah, you can't tell me he wrote this in a vacuum.

Interzone / Re: last.fm sucks; here's a better alternative
« on: April 30, 2008, 07:56:35 PM »
Reality is that services on the internet are integrating social aspects to bring in revenue and maintain people's interest within that environment.  It works.  Kinda like how ANUS has these forums.  Nobody forces us to participate, so that's not really a valid argument...

If Last.fm sucks, it is because it is not well thought out.  As an example look up "Absurd" and every artist with that name is thrown on one page with no distinction.  There is no clear organization of albums and tracks, all that matters is what tracks are the most popular with the masses.  And there is seemingly no authority, no moderation.

RateYourMusic is infinitely more useful and better organized.  All users are rated on musical compatibility with eachother, and after some time you can get weighted suggestions from this.  It is a good resource to look up details on albums and artists, and while anyone can contribute, there is a formal structure to be followed.

Metal / Re: Morpheus Descends website up and running
« on: February 01, 2008, 02:55:26 PM »
Not anymore?

Interzone / Re: Is democracy really the problem?
« on: January 28, 2008, 02:06:41 PM »
In 1776, they used newspapers. Now we have the internet. What we need to do is build consensus, by any means necessary.

The internet may be full of trash, but so is every other form of mass communication.  Obviously, mass communication is what we need when there are 7 billion people and we'd like to reach some small subset.  Does anyone here have the fortune necessary to start a new TV/radio station or newspaper to get our message across?

To shun the most powerful and currently least regulated communication medium in the history of human civilization, seems very counterproductive.

Whatever the goal, the best consensus to build at this point is taking words and plans off-line and into the world in organized groups, as large as possible.  Then only people who actually want change are present, but they are also more likely to act if someone else is watching over their shoulder.

It's critical that such groups meet regularly and be well-documented with pictures, video, and/or articles, which attracts more people to the group and so on.  One partially valid "excuse" is travel expenses to a central location, which could be offset by a flat fee.  It might sound lazy, but actually it's efficiency: people want to pay X dollars, receive their ticket or confirmation, and then mark the date on their calendar.

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