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Interzone / Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
« on: December 21, 2008, 12:01:59 AM »
Well-rounded people are hard to come by these days

The evidence that was laid before you gave a glimpse that intelligence might be the best correlate of well-roundedness.

this is the direct result of our society's tendency to value good workers over good people.

I think the society values more cheap workers than good workers, thus leading to a preference to poorer, more incompetent people.

The system stifles human potential.

It's classic liberal pathos to blame an oppressive society.

Killing a bunch of dumbfucks isn't a solution, just masking a symptom.

For once I would like to have a complete answer for "What is wrong with humanity and how can we fix it?" instead of vague complaints of wrong approach. So far there's only been contrarianism and e-dick waving.

"I keep thinking this over and over again, and I find it an amusing Koan.
Despite all of our theory, there's not much that machine-gunning all people
under 120 IQ points wouldn't solve.
One step to glory and 6.8 bn rotting corpses."

- taken from in2christ list, RIP

It didn't work for Robespierre and it won't work now.

I had no idea that Robespierre had an eugenic execution policy while he was beheading the nobles!

Metal / Re: Are most metalheads just...losers?
« on: December 20, 2008, 07:50:43 AM »
For a man pouring his heart for a cause, your efforts have proved minimal so far.

"Clever" spins, re-dressed zen koans and vague assertions are too insubstantial for a meaningful debate.

Metal / Re: Are most metalheads just...losers?
« on: December 20, 2008, 12:26:14 AM »
Life isn't a battleground, at least my life isn't I view it much, much differently. I guarantee you if you keep viewing the world as such, you will get what you wished and thought about.

Newsflash: Only people who are willing to champion for their causes achieve anything of lasting value.

Even though Gandhi was formally a pacifist, his spirit was that of a real warrior.

I've also seen people comment on how "morons" are less compassionate but the way I see it, the people around here are less compassionate because they are heavily identified with their ego and are judgmental. Do the people on this board even know what compassion means?

Compassion- the feeling commonly gives rise to an active desire to alleviate another's suffering.

Do you know anything of community values?

"Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime"

There are subtle differences in what is commonly thought as altruism and what is realistic and wholistic activity for the community.

However what I've read and seen is another story, where can one say "moron" and then proceed to claim you are better than the less compassionate person? It is altogether an form of altruism that this site that also appropriates people who don't agree with them as "morons".

Cute passive-aggression. You are constantly veiling your attacks against ANUS and DLA community in the form of obscure and ambiguous accusations of hypocrisy.

There has been plenty of this behavior here that new people want to appear cool by exposing a "moral hypocrisy" of the forum benefactors. Do you know why they were failures? They just criticized, but never contributed anything of value.

Now you have had your 15 minutes of forum fame, being all controversial and special.

Interzone / Re: Why Relativism Fails
« on: December 20, 2008, 12:21:45 AM »
I think the people on this BB have an skewed vision of Metaphysical ideas, we are sovereign individuals that co-exist as one, along with the earth, stars and universe. However this truth is experiential, not a belief system which is what A.N.U.S. is making such spiritual ideas to be and if I remember right Osho said "Anyone who gives you a belief system is an enemy". There is a lot of cognitive dissonance used in promoting ideologies...

Osho was a pervert and degenerate who pretended being a saint, effectively scamming thousands of people.

While the content of this particular message might not be so bad, your accusations in the surrounding sentences is weak. ANUS doesn't advocate belief systems; Nihilism and Parallerism are a mental method and a value system respectively, nothing one should identify with.

Interzone / Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
« on: December 20, 2008, 12:20:09 AM »
I'm seeing a trend here. Everytime a forum troll posts an hyperbole or insults some demographic portion, the over-socialized types of the board feel upset.

Some feel upset for the promotion of controversial ideas, while some feel upset because of the harsh language used. Now they are getting it back to you, thinking and justifying that their emotional hurt should not go unpunished.

How come you can even listen to metal music if you are so offended over such petty argument? Face it, these words alone hurt no one, nor should you have any concern over the sentimentalities -- provided that you are self-confident and emotionally stable enough to feel unattached to those words.

Grow up. Most of you are too smart for that behavior.

Interzone / Re: The 'morons' and their role in society
« on: December 19, 2008, 12:57:12 AM »
How does this community define a 'moron'? It is a rather ambiguous term. Is it used in the "low intellectual capacity" sense?

"Overweight, stupid, neurotic, selfish, greedy and directionless. They comprise the low-quality segment of humanity and they're all around us. This page is dedicated to show just how far the stupidity of morons can really go."

Hall of Morons

You know a moron when you see it, and intelligence happens to be a remarkably accurate indicator of a person's mental faculties.

If so, I'd hardly say that this is grounds for extermination, as there are other (arguably more important) dimensions to a persons character than just intelligence. I know people who haven't touched a book outside of school in their lives, yet are more spiritually sound than others who ardently read philosophy.

That's just fluff.

Pentti Linkola never completed any academic studies and lives very modestly, yet it's obvious that he's a highly intelligent person. I don't see that as a coincidence considering his impressive lineage.

Not to mention that there really isn't an effective way to empirically determine a person's intellect.

Where's the proof for your assertions? Nevermind, I will provide the evidence for mine.

Finger Length Predicts SAT Performance

A quick look at the lengths of children's index and ring fingers can be used to predict how well students will perform on SATs, new research claims.

Kids with longer ring fingers compared to index fingers are likely to have higher math scores than literacy or verbal scores on the college entrance exam, while children with the reverse finger-length ratio are likely to have higher reading and writing, or verbal, scores versus math scores.

See CORRUPT data for more proof on biological determinism and such.

Quality of sperm depends on intelligence of man

A taboo as strong as race: genetic Class differences

Science is Racist

Creativity Versus Intelligence: One Creates the Other

Take Mr. Azagthoth, for example: Judging just from his interview videos, he isn't exactly articulate in his manner of speech... to say the least. I'd most likely dismiss him as an imbecile if I were to ever shoot the breeze with him without prior knowledge of who he was. However, we know from his music (and even his liner notes) that he is, in fact, a very smart dude.

Bad example. He seems more a geek than a moron.

Even if a consensus of what a moron is was reached, and a system of effectively determining morondom was developed, would liquidating the world's idiots really be beneficial?

This planet is overpopulated. The ones that breed most are the poorest, least compassionate, and least intelligent of humanity, are they not? It would make sense to reduce the least intelligent first.

Social Integration of Robots into Groups of Cockroaches to Control Self-Organized Choices

Collective behavior based on self-organization has been shown in group-living animals from insects to vertebrates. These findings have stimulated engineers to investigate approaches for the coordination of autonomous multirobot systems based on self-organization. In this experimental study, we show collective decision-making by mixed groups of cockroaches and socially integrated autonomous robots, leading to shared shelter selection. Individuals, natural or artificial, are perceived as equivalent, and the collective decision emerges from nonlinear feedbacks based on local interactions. Even when in the minority, robots can modulate the collective decision-making process and produce a global pattern not observed in their absence. These results demonstrate the possibility of using intelligent autonomous devices to study and control self-organized behavioral patterns in group-living animals.


Regarding to this piece of science, I think it's fairly obvious that morons influence the society in a negative manner, creating a global pattern for equalization and disruption of civilization.

Why Idiots Think They are Morally Superior and Smarter to You

Conservatives are more intelligent

Socialism: Reversal of Natural Selection That Will Destroy Your Nation

Who Loves Equality?

A balance of good and evil is required for the 'meta-good'. I believe the maintenance of this 'meta-good' also requires a balance of intelligence and idiocy.

Why do you try to justify idiocy? Life should prove battle enough even without the morons wasting space and time.

The world needs ditch diggers, after all.

Do you realize that most of the world's infrastructure, thus also ditches, exist to pamper the morons? We don't need more slavish morlocks to do biddings for us, but a more intelligent society with better design. An intelligent society will have the means to get more done with less effort.

Equality is a superstition.

EDIT: Language.

Interzone / Re: The Top 2% Project
« on: August 02, 2008, 02:44:20 PM »
can you prove this?

*farts at your direction*

I'ts actually a pretty good question. First of all, it should be clear that Nordic death/black metal scenes produced the most romantic metal yet expressed, as they took mythic imagination of metal music to a whole new level. The best of romantic metal:

At the Gates - The Red In The Skies Is Ours
Dismember - Like an Ever-Flowing Stream...
Therion - Beyond Sanctorum
Sacramentum - Far Away From The Sun
Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
Bathory - Hammearheart/Twilight of the Gods
Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
Immortal - Pure Holocaust
Burzum* - Filosofem

* First four albums have nearly identical vision which gets more introverted and articulate with each succession.

Now, which of these albums is most encapsulating of other's varying moods and aspects?

I think we can safely exclude the death metal masterpieces, since their sheer energy isn't match for black metal's superior expressiveness in mood. "Transilvanian Hunger" and "Pure Holocaust" are too restricted in their aspiration of chilling rationalism. Likewise "Far Away From The Sun" and "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" are constrained by their efforts to reach most warlike and macabre art respectively, which leaves the final decision between Burzum, Bathory and Emperor.

It seems that the crypto-intellectual musings of Emperor and Bathory's apology of ancient living both find a common representation in the third work. Hence, Burzum's Filosofem is the epitome work, summary and ideal, of metal spirit. Subtlety of moods make it really powerful.

Note: this especially isn't saying that Filosofem (or Burzum in general) is the height of metal spirit, although close it may be.

Interzone / Re: The Top 2% Project
« on: July 30, 2008, 01:41:41 AM »
It was recorded in 1993 and most of it was written much earlier.

What good is the material if only a handful of people had heard it before the release?

Saying that black metal died in 1996 doesn't make much sense if it was due to Filosofem's January 1st release that year.

It makes perfect sense because "Filosofem" is the epitome of Romanticist spirit in metal.

Burzum ended black metal.

...and I think we should respect it. He raised the bar, and took black metal out of the "metal" artform into something new, and then everyone else despairing at getting farther than he had, and collapsed into sheep, so now you get boring music like Grand Belial's Key, Nachtmysticum, Deathspell Omega and the like.

I don't see art in terms of further or more innovative, but degrees of expression. Some cliche that is always true is better than something "unique" which says nothing artistically, even if musically it has some meat to it. Burzum pushed metal aesthetically, but also artistically; he actually took on the challenging and unspoken issues of our time:

- Ferality versus morality.
- Nationalism versus uniculture.
- Peace/profit versus war/competition.
- Individual spirit versus herd-fear of inadequacy.

Burzum killed black metal, and I'm glad: with the exception of a handful of bands (Demoncy, Averse Sefira, Graveland) it has gone nowhere since "Filosofem."



Interzone / Re: The Top 2% Project
« on: July 29, 2008, 10:17:55 PM »
What was released in 96 which makes it the oft-quoted cutoff year? It has to be better than Dol Guldur, which isn't easy.


Metal / Re: AVERSE SEFIRA video interview about church burning
« on: July 25, 2008, 08:51:35 PM »
"Man is a little germ that lives on an unimportant rock ball that revolves about an insignificant star on the outer edges of one of the smaller galaxies."

Does anyone know where the original quote is from?

Voice tone indicates it must be Alan Watts, but unfortunately I don't know the audio source.

Interzone / Re: religious beliefs of the classical composers???
« on: June 30, 2008, 02:11:24 PM »
  1  : the science of numbers and their operations, interrelations, combinations, generalizations, and abstractions and of space configurations and their structure, measurement, transformations, and generalizations   

My definition was more exact, but this is passable: they emphasize that mathematics examines the quality of abstract quantities, which, first of all, is altogether different from the concept of material sensory quantitativity. Two, five apples or 12 apples -- any multitude of apples is fine, as it makes no particular difference to the quality of an arbitrary apple. However, numbers 2, 5 and 12 have completely different number theoretical and operational qualities!

Second point is that you are still thinking that mathematics is just numbers, which is wrong. The numbers are just a means, a starting point upon which a meta-language is realized. Mathematics isn't about numbers, it's about what you can do with them.

Also, some fields of mathematics such as the theory of computation hardly use any numbers in their formulations: Their study is strictly limited to the abstract properties of symbols and operationality.

absolute standard unit for measuring what? Quantity.

Rephrasing: absolute (suprasensual) universal qualities of unit(y) and measurability.

An example: how do you measure infinity? Mathematically you can prove that there are different types of infinities, some even unmeasurable -- arguing that it's only quantities is inane, since the question asked isn't "how much?" as often as it is "by what relation?" or "what kind?"

Symbolism is an exact science much like mathematics, only that it is not as limited as mathematics. It is the employing of forms or images as signs of ideas or of suprasensible things.

Funny, the last sentence could easily describe mathematics.

Mathematics =~ written language, the only difference is in approach. Mathematics utilizes numbers and set theory, while language uses words. Both have a sense of grammar and lexicon, though mathematics is a step higher because it relies less on perception and more on intelligence. Also, language grammar is ultimately arbitrary, logic isn't.

Symbolism is an act when you arrange a set of symbols to describe something of reality (applies to both mathematics and language). No symbolism may be perfectly exact, so what matters is that an accurate approximation of informational content is delivered with good '"symbol/information" ratio.

But where words can mislead you, numbers simply can't because they don't have the property of deception through arbitrarity of definition.

All due respect, you are barking the wrong tree here. Mathematics could and should be an indispensable method for metaphysical understanding, as verbal symbolism is, but you come here acting like charlatan and smartass. You don't build bridges that way, no sir.

EDIT: 69 with Jesus Christ!

Metal / Re: ANUS interviews: smart subjects
« on: June 30, 2008, 11:41:26 AM »
Antti Boman of Demilich, Nuclear Holocausto of Beherit, Alf Svensson of ex-At the Gates/Oxiplegatz

Interzone / Re: religious beliefs of the classical composers???
« on: June 30, 2008, 11:20:24 AM »
b) What was known to ancient "Pagans" (a very problematic denomination, to say the least), Hindus and smart people was the core of primordial Christianity as well. The Bible is full of symbolism. What happened is that over the years, people forgot to look beyond the letter.

Or maybe some symbolism simply is better than other because it's unambiguous of content?

Interzone / Re: religious beliefs of the classical composers???
« on: June 30, 2008, 11:13:04 AM »
a) Maths is not a sufficient science of reality, but symbolism is. It's not that maths is not a traditional science, but since it is limited to quantity, symbolism is the superior science.

You don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

Mathematics utilizes quantities because numbers are the absolute standard unit. The scope of advanced mathematics goes beyond mere quantification: patterns, logic, groups, sets, ordering, and the theory of compution. And what connects all these fields? They are descriptions about universal meta-language of signals and symbolically operating systems.

You cannot understand symbolism without mathematics, because the world and symbols operate precisely according to what can be mathematically shown.

Interzone / Re: Dismember demos
« on: June 09, 2008, 08:02:57 PM »
How did you get in touch with Harry Wijering, who became the man responsible for the production of each ASPHYX album from "The Rack" until "On The Wings Of Inferno"? Is it him who influenced the typical ASPHYX sound, or was it more due to the rack effects used by Eric Daniels (the guitarist)?
"I know Harry right from the start of the Harrow studio, in 1988 that was. We were, apart from his own band, the first band who came to rehearse over there. When Tonny and me came in, Harry was still painting the place. So Harry knew our sound right from the beginning, and knew what ASPHYX stood for. The typical raw ASPHYX sound is Eric's very own guitar sound, thanks to some very special effects imported from Denmark. Eric searched for years to get a sound like that, and he finally found it. Harry had to make sure it all recorded well. I think, also the combination of Eric and Harry working together on that typical crushing guitar sound lead to the ultimate result."

It must have been this paragraph in the same interview.

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